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Fox NFL Sunday overruns - something new

fybush

fybush

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Sometime in the last day or so, Fox tweaked its East Coast Sunday night schedule and eliminated the "Simpsons" rerun that was scheduled at 7 and the "King of the Hill" scheduled at 7:30.

Instead, the schedule that now shows up (at least on the Comcast EPG here in Fort Wayne, Indiana) shows football till 7:30, then "The OT," which looks like an extension of the NFL postgame show to pad out till 8. "Simpsons" follows at 8.

A look at the KTTV schedule on the West Coast shows a "Malcolm" rerun at 7 and a "KOTH" rerun (from several years ago) at 7:30, followed by "Simpsons" at 8.

So, I guess Fox deserves some sort of credit for realizing that it serves absolutely nobody to reduce first-run "KOTH" episodes to 10-minute joined-in-progress filler between football and Simpsons. That's sensible...but now I wonder what, if anything, becomes of KOTH? Will what few new episodes remain just get burned off in the spring, after football's over? Hell of a way to treat what was always one of the more quietly enjoyable shows on the Fox schedule - but then, they killed Arrested Development, too, didn't they?<P ID="signature">______________
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> A look at the KTTV schedule on the West Coast shows a
> "Malcolm" rerun at 7 and a "KOTH" rerun (from several years
> ago) at 7:30, followed by "Simpsons" at 8.
>

Very likely "Malcolm" and "King" are from the syndicated packages that KTTV has the rights to, with other western Fox affiliates (and eastern stations with no late game) told that they were on their own.

Many of us thought it was best for Fox not to have regular series scheduled for the 7PM hour during football season, as they would almost always be joined or pre-empted. And now, it seems, Fox is finally heeding our advice.
 
Keep in mind that "The OT" only runs when FOX has a 4PM/3 PM CT doubleheader game: A max of 8 regular season weeks per year; with a few more thrown in during the playoffs.

No "OT" when FOX has a single 4pm/3pm NFL game that is shown primarily in markets who have an NFL team that played at home at 1PM / 12PM CT and who was televised on CBS.
 
Re: Network NFL Sunday Evening Overruns

CBS usually "backs-up" their Sunday night prime-time schedule in the Eastern and Central timne zones if their 4:05 or 4:15 P.M. (ET) NFL telecasts runs past 7 P.M. ET.

For instance, last Sunday (November 6th), "60 Minutes" began (at least on WBZ-4 Boston) at 7:10 P.M., with the rest of the prime-time programming likewise following suit. The late local news began at 11:10 P.M.

But I think Fox affiliates wanted their Sunday 10 P.M. (ET) local newscasts to start on-time and have pressured the network on that point; hence, the network has almost never allowed their Sunday prime-time schedule to "slide" when an NFL game ends past 7.

Personally, I think this will be the last year CBS will "slide" Sunday prime-time. I think that for the 2006/2007 season, we may see CBS:

(1) Not premiere the next season of "Cold Case", assuming it is renewed for 2006/2007 and remains on Sunday nights at 8 P.M. ET, until January, 2007.

(2) Stretch "60 Minutes" to a maximum of 90 minutes during football season and broadcast it each Sunday from 7:30-9 P.M. ET/PT.

(3) Have the NFL runover/postgame show run until 7:30 P.M. ET, even if all the "late" games end just after 7.

(4) On those occassions when it starts after 7:30 P.M. ET, "60 Minutes" will be abbreviated so it will end at 9 P.M. ET sharp. There would be a number of short features in each week's edition, none of which would be prompted prior to the broadcast of the program, that can be eliminated to insure the show ends at 9.

(5) Insure that local CBS affiliate late news in the Eastern and Central time zones will start on-time at 11 (10 Central).

Frankly, I'm surprised that CBS affiliates haven't been pressuring the network to insure that their late news during football season always starts at 11 P.M.
 
> > A look at the KTTV schedule on the West Coast shows a
> > "Malcolm" rerun at 7 and a "KOTH" rerun (from several
> years
> > ago) at 7:30, followed by "Simpsons" at 8.
> >
>
> Very likely "Malcolm" and "King" are from the syndicated
> packages that KTTV has the rights to, with other western Fox
> affiliates (and eastern stations with no late game) told
> that they were on their own.

Nope - they were coming from the network. Same lineup on KTVU, which is not an O&O.

> Many of us thought it was best for Fox not to have regular
> series scheduled for the 7PM hour during football season, as
> they would almost always be joined or pre-empted. And now,
> it seems, Fox is finally heeding our advice.

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Re: Network NFL Sunday Evening Overruns

> > Personally, I think this will be the last year CBS will
> > "slide" Sunday prime-time. I think that for the 2006/2007
> > season, we may see CBS:
> >
> > (1) Not premiere the next season of "Cold Case", assuming
> it
> > is renewed for 2006/2007 and remains on Sunday nights at 8
>
> > P.M. ET, until January, 2007.
>
> How's CC been doing ratings wise. My mother enjoys it (she
> and I are from the Philly area) and was pleased that last
> night it started on time.
>
> > (2) Stretch "60 Minutes" to a maximum of 90 minutes during
>
> > football season and broadcast it each Sunday from 7:30-9
> > P.M. ET/PT.
>
> They should then call it "60 Minutes and Then Some".
>
> >
> > Frankly, I'm surprised that CBS affiliates haven't been
> > pressuring the network to insure that their late news
> during
> > football season always starts at 11 P.M.
> >
>
> Frankly, *I'm* surprised *ABC* affiliates haven't done the
> same thing for 35 years regarding Monday Night Football vis
> a vis their late news.
>
> ixnay
>
 
Re: Network NFL Sunday Evening Overruns

> But I think Fox affiliates wanted their Sunday 10 P.M. (ET)
> local newscasts to start on-time and have pressured the
> network on that point; hence, the network has almost never
> allowed their Sunday prime-time schedule to "slide" when an
> NFL game ends past 7.

For the past year, you continue to fixate on the "local news starting on time" angle, but yet, have never ever offered any proof whatsoever that this is actually the case.

> Personally, I think this will be the last year CBS will
> "slide" Sunday prime-time. I think that for the 2006/2007
> season, we may see CBS:

And I would say you're wrong. I'll bet you all the money on this.

> (1) Not premiere the next season of "Cold Case", assuming it
> is renewed for 2006/2007 and remains on Sunday nights at 8
> P.M. ET, until January, 2007.

Won't happen. "Cold Case" continues to perform strongly even when starting later. CBS will NOT jeopardize this show.

> (2) Stretch "60 Minutes" to a maximum of 90 minutes during
> football season and broadcast it each Sunday from 7:30-9
> P.M. ET/PT.

Nope. Won't happen. Hence the title, Joseph. Common sense, huh?

> (3) Have the NFL runover/postgame show run until 7:30 P.M.
> ET, even if all the "late" games end just after 7.
>
> (4) On those occassions when it starts after 7:30 P.M. ET,
> "60 Minutes" will be abbreviated so it will end at 9 P.M. ET
> sharp. There would be a number of short features in each
> week's edition, none of which would be prompted prior to the
> broadcast of the program, that can be eliminated to insure
> the show ends at 9.

Nope...won't happen either (unless there is a live telecast with a hard start at a specific time). You obviously are not aware of the ratings "60 Minutes" brings.

> (5) Insure that local CBS affiliate late news in the Eastern
> and Central time zones will start on-time at 11 (10
> Central).
>
> Frankly, I'm surprised that CBS affiliates haven't been
> pressuring the network to insure that their late news during
> football season always starts at 11 P.M.

It's a Sunday night. Virtual wasteland by the time 11pm rolls around. CBS affliates are well-aware that football very well could run-over. You do realize this isn't brand-new, don't you? Why do you think the late games start at 4:15 and not 4pm? Plus, it's not like it's happening every single week.
 
Re: Network NFL Sunday Evening Overruns

There's no reason to believe CBS will change a formula that has served them well for decades. 60 Minutes (not 72 Minutes or 83 Minutes or 90 Minutes) has woried well doing long-form reporting (unless you think adding more Andy Rooney is the way to go), and brings huge ratings. Cold Case is a proven winner at 8, 8:10 or 8:56.

While I'd agree the ANCHORS at the CBS affiliates may get cranky when there's a long football overrun, there's no evidence to suggest CBS plans to change their plans for the half of the country it impacts for only a few months.



> CBS usually "backs-up" their Sunday night prime-time
> schedule in the Eastern and Central timne zones if their
> 4:05 or 4:15 P.M. (ET) NFL telecasts runs past 7 P.M. ET.
>
> For instance, last Sunday (November 6th), "60 Minutes" began
> (at least on WBZ-4 Boston) at 7:10 P.M., with the rest of
> the prime-time programming likewise following suit. The late
> local news began at 11:10 P.M.
>
> But I think Fox affiliates wanted their Sunday 10 P.M. (ET)
> local newscasts to start on-time and have pressured the
> network on that point; hence, the network has almost never
> allowed their Sunday prime-time schedule to "slide" when an
> NFL game ends past 7.
>
> Personally, I think this will be the last year CBS will
> "slide" Sunday prime-time. I think that for the 2006/2007
> season, we may see CBS:
>
> (1) Not premiere the next season of "Cold Case", assuming it
> is renewed for 2006/2007 and remains on Sunday nights at 8
> P.M. ET, until January, 2007.
>
> (2) Stretch "60 Minutes" to a maximum of 90 minutes during
> football season and broadcast it each Sunday from 7:30-9
> P.M. ET/PT.
>
> (3) Have the NFL runover/postgame show run until 7:30 P.M.
> ET, even if all the "late" games end just after 7.
>
> (4) On those occassions when it starts after 7:30 P.M. ET,
> "60 Minutes" will be abbreviated so it will end at 9 P.M. ET
> sharp. There would be a number of short features in each
> week's edition, none of which would be prompted prior to the
> broadcast of the program, that can be eliminated to insure
> the show ends at 9.
>
> (5) Insure that local CBS affiliate late news in the Eastern
> and Central time zones will start on-time at 11 (10
> Central).
>
> Frankly, I'm surprised that CBS affiliates haven't been
> pressuring the network to insure that their late news during
> football season always starts at 11 P.M.
>
 
Re: Network NFL Sunday Evening Overruns

A few weeks ago, CBS Primetime started at 8pm ET following a late football game. Local news ran at Midnight. Our CBS affiliate ended up dumping local news and going directly to their late night syndicated comedies.

I remember an instance last year where CBS ran a 20-minute version of 60 minutes so a live awards show could start on time at 8pm ET.

I like FOX's idea of The OT. Even though you can get all the highlights from other outlets if you really want them, it's nice to see the network put a cap on their daylong coverage with a postgame show, rather than just quickly dump out to regular programming.
 
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