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Fox, Noory - no Dominion mentions

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I listened to FOX on the hour news before I went to bed last night. No mention of Dominion. Not that I expected them to but I thought there.
I followed that by catching George Noory's 10 min daily news breakdown to open Coast to Coast. No mention of Dominion.
He probably didn't want to annoy any network stations that didn't cover the story at the top of the hour. But it was a significant matter to just ignore.
 
It's a complicated story to tell in a newscast, because it assumes you know the context. To start with, it happened two years ago, it was a small substory of a much bigger story, and it's primarily a financial or business story. Because it was a settlement and not a jury judgement, there was no real decision about right and wrong or fault. It's possible for Fox or anyone to continue doing what they did two years ago, and simply not specify a particular type of voting machine. That was the mistake that was made, and why Fox was sued. They allowed Sydney Powell to say a lot of untruths about Dominion without pointing out that Fox wasn't endorsing that view or had no proof that what she said was true. They simply agreed with her. Not a good idea when the person you're interviewing is libeling a company.

So back to your point, unless you want to open that entire subject, it's probably not the kind of story you want to bring up in a short news break, unless your audience knows the context. Noory isn't the right place for this kind of legal or financial story. On the other hand, Dan Bongino dealt with it from the point of view as a mainstream media story, and they're the real problem:

bongino.com

Ep. 1994 The Soros Misinformation Machine

In this episode, I address the media meltdown over the Dominion case and the role of George Soros in the funding of the m...
bongino.com bongino.com

So the talk show hosts will ascribe their own political narrative to what is a financial story, and it's just more of the other guys being more guilty than the actual topic.
 
Y2kTheNewOldies said:
However Fox News has to go to court for the Smartmatic Lawsuit though. This stuff ain't over.
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Likely Smartmatic has to be feeling pretty good about their future settlement chances. Fox didn't want the boss and many of their hosts to end up on the witness stand during a public trial, but discovery for the plaintiff now starts all over again for Smartmatic. That means Tucker, Hannity, Maria, Rupert, and the other cast of clowns, will all be deposed again. And Dominion's defamation suit against Newsmax, OAN, Rudy, and Sidney hasn't even started yet. Three quarters of a billion dollars for one plaintiff is a good halftime payout, wouldn't you say?
 
Kelly A said:
Likely Smartmatic has to be feeling pretty good about their future settlement chances. Fox didn't want the boss and many of their hosts to end up on the witness stand during a public trial, but discovery for the plaintiff now starts all over again for Smartmatic. That means Tucker, Hannity, Maria, Rupert, and the other cast of clowns, will all be deposed again. And Dominion's defamation suit against Newsmax, OAN, Rudy, and Sidney hasn't even started yet. Three quarters of a billion dollars for one plaintiff is a good halftime payout, wouldn't you say?
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Don't forget Mike Lindell has to go to court for the Smartmatic Lawsuit and in this investigation the legal team for Smartmatic has to reuse all of the Evidence from the Dominion Trial and find allegations of Defamation specific to Smartmatic.

At one point there were claims that Dominion and Smartmatic were the same company before that was proven false. This is how we ended up with two big lawsuits against the same group Trump allies.
 
Y2kTheNewOldies said:
Don't forget Mike Lindell has to go to court for the Smartmatic Lawsuit and in this investigation the legal team for Smartmatic has to reuse all of the Evidence from the Dominion Trial and find allegations of Defamation specific to Smartmatic.
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I'm not so sure the Lindell/Smartmatic defamation suit will be as much of a slam dunk as Fox was. During discovery, Dominion's lawyers found a treasure trove of textual correspondence between hosts and the head of Fox admitting they didn't believe any of the lies, then depositions that confirmed the correspondence.

Lindell on the other hand, likely left little correspondence that he didn't believe the lies, but like Fox hosts, pushed the narrative anyway. I think they'll find that Lindell actually believed the lies. That ultimately will be a higher defamation bar for the plaintiff to clear, because Lindell is just plain batsh*t crazy.
Y2kTheNewOldies said:
At one point there were claims that Dominion and Smartmatic were the same company before that was proven false. This is how we ended up with two big lawsuits against the same group Trump allies.
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Those claims are pretty benign because there would likely be no damages associated with that sort of misinformation. 'Oops, we were mistaken' is all they need to claim.
 
Kelly A said:
I'm not so sure the Lindell/Smartmatic defamation suit will be as much of a slam dunk as Fox was. During discovery, Dominion's lawyers found a treasure trove of textual correspondence between hosts and the head of Fox admitting they didn't believe any of the lies, then depositions that confirmed the correspondence.

Lindell on the other hand, likely left little correspondence that he didn't believe the lies, but like Fox hosts, pushed the narrative anyway. I think they'll find that Lindell actually believed the lies. That ultimately will be a higher defamation bar for the plaintiff to clear, because Lindell is just plain batsh*t crazy.

Those claims are pretty benign because there would likely be no damages associated with that sort of misinformation. 'Oops, we were mistaken' is all they need to claim.
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Well in Lindells case he was investigated by the FBI for the phone and text messages going to Tina Peters the Colorado County Clerk accused of voter fraud and election tampering though in violation of Colorado law. That criminal case is a deciding factor in the Dominion and now Smartmatic lawsuits.


www.cpr.org

Tina Peters sentenced to home detention and a fine in her obstruction case, but it's stayed pending an appeal

This case is separate, but not entirely unrelated to, Peters’ legal troubles for allegedly helping someone breach the security of her office’s election equipment and lying about their identity to state officials.
www.cpr.org www.cpr.org
 
Kelly A said:
I'm not so sure the Lindell/Smartmatic defamation suit will be as much of a slam dunk as Fox was.
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The big difference is that Fox is a major media corporation with some very expensive law firms on their side. Lindell is a TV pitchman with a fraction of the budget. Fox can say "sorry...our bad. Here's 3/4 of a billion to make this go away."

The pillow guy can't do that. Smartmatic doesn't have to settle. Mike does.
 
TheBigA said:
It's a complicated story to tell in a newscast, because it assumes you know the context. To start with, it happened two years ago, it was a small substory of a much bigger story, and it's primarily a financial or business story. Because it was a settlement and not a jury judgement, there was no real decision about right and wrong or fault.
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There sort of was. Fox made motions to dismiss, on the grounds that the bar for libel by media outlets is quite high, and the judge ruled that Dominion had enough evidence that he could not dismiss.

And Dominion definitely had a case for damages: At least a few states moved to ban Dominion voting machines in the wake of this libel. I know I saw campaign ads in 2022 from the incumbent Indiana Secretary of State bragging that she banned the company's machines across the state during her tenure. She lost, in favor of someone who was even more adamant that the election was rigged.
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
There sort of was. Fox made motions to dismiss, on the grounds that the bar for libel by media outlets is quite high, and the judge ruled that Dominion had enough evidence that he could not dismiss.
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But the settlement made the final decision about money, not the evidence or the facts.

Fox News continues to promote false facts, but without defaming any companies.
 
There is no question of facts here. Fox acknowledged, in a press release about the settlement, that "certain claims about Domion [broadcast on Fox News were ruled] to be false". They phrased it with a tortured use of passive voice, so I rephrased it for clarity.

Do you really think Mr. Noory or Mr. Bongino would have had more to say if there was a jury trial?
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
Do you really think Mr. Noory or Mr. Bongino would have had more to say if there was a jury trial?
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No, conservative media had already decided this case before the settlement. Mark Levin announced that the judge was biased.

Here are the real views from Rupert Mudoch as expressed by his newspaper the NY Post:

nypost.com

New York Times’ hypocrisy hits new heights over Dominion trial

It’s hard to know if the gormless editors at The New York Times suffer from a severe lack of self-awareness — or just an overabundance of chutzpah.
nypost.com nypost.com
 
TheBigA said:
But the settlement made the final decision about money, not the evidence or the facts.
Fox News continues to promote false facts, but without defaming any companies.
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And in their statement after reaching the settlement with Dominion, Fox News basically made it sound like they settled to get rid of distractions and so they could move forward with their "highest journalism standards". That's the only statement that will be spoon fed to their viewers and those on the far right, and in their viewers' minds, the only statement they needed to hear.

Someone tried to throw Fox News a curve ball, they paid them off and settled because it was without merit, Fox can still be trusted to tell the truth. The end.
 
Mikey Radio said:
And in their statement after reaching the settlement with Dominion, Fox News basically made it sound like they settled to get rid of distractions and so they could move forward with their "highest journalism standards". That's the only statement that will be spoon fed to their viewers and those on the far right, and in their viewers' minds, the only statement they needed to hear.

Someone tried to throw Fox News a curve ball, they paid them off and settled because it was without merit, Fox can still be trusted to tell the truth. The end.
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www.businessinsider.com

Fox has more headaches coming after agreeing to pay $787.5 million to settle Dominion's defamation lawsuit

Smartmatic — another election technology company caught up in false election theories — has an even bigger lawsuit brewing.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com


Not so fast though Fox News can say they will move on but there's a former Fox News Producer who is handing over evidence to Smartmatic's legal team because that company has to reuse evidence from the Dominion Trial to find specific examples of defamation directed at Smartmatic.


Abby Grossberg, a former Fox News producer now suing the network, has alleged in court filings that she had recordings and transcripts of conversations between Fox hosts and Trump allies. Fox, she claimed, didn't turn over to Dominion before the settlement. Her allegations prompted Davis to appoint a special master to investigate how Fox handled the recordings — a situation that became moot once a settlement was reached Tuesday. (Fox, for its part, has said it complied with discovery obligations and believed Grossberg's suits were meritless.)

All of that means that Smartmatic could succeed in getting even more from Fox, particularly if Fox is willing to pay a premium to prevent additional embarrassing discovery evidence from becoming public.
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www.nbcnews.com

Fired Fox News producer says she found more evidence relevant to Dominion case

Abby Grossberg said in a new sworn statement that she recently found two more recordings on an old cellphone, which she alleges Fox News lawyers failed to search.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
Y2kTheNewOldies said:
Don't forget Mike Lindell has to go to court for the Smartmatic Lawsuit and in this investigation the legal team for Smartmatic has to reuse all of the Evidence from the Dominion Trial and find allegations of Defamation specific to Smartmatic.

At one point there were claims that Dominion and Smartmatic were the same company before that was proven false. This is how we ended up with two big lawsuits against the same group Trump allies.
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www.nbcnews.com

Mike Lindell ordered to pay $5M for losing 'Prove Mike Wrong' election data challenge

An arbitration panel found Robert Zeidman had proved that data Lindell said was from the 2020 election was not, and ordered the MyPillow founder to pay up.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

Turns out Lindell has to pay $5 Million in a settlement for his role in the 2020 election rants. Let's wait on his trial though given that this group is not tied to Smartmatic and Dominion.
 
Noory & Coast to Coast in general have both become right wing. Art Bell is rolling in his grave over what Noory & Premiere Networks have done to his show. Joel Wallach promoting vitamins and supplements and guests who complain about inflation have nothing to do with the paranormal.
 
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