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Fox O&Os, Weigel Launch Movies! Digi-Net

Re: Fox O&Os, Weigel Launch "Movies!" Digi-Net

KDFW 4.2? If so it sounds like they've finally given up on the Dyle mobile/hand-held market.
 
From post #1 Digi-Net 1/28/13:
"The films will air 24 hours a day and will appear in a 16 by 9 format. "

From the Wikipedia entry dated today 2/1/13 22:17:
"Movies! will broadcast 24 hours a day in 480i widescreen standard definition.[2]"
[2] = http://www.rabbitears.info/search.php?request=network_search&network=Movies!

From Rabbitears above:
KDFW 4.2 for Dallas market 5
KRIV 26.2 Houston market 6
KTBC 7.2 Austin market 48
 
I love rabbitears, but don't take that as the gospel. This may well wind up on KDFI 27.3 because of KDFW's dyle tv signal.
 
Not surprisingly, the Wikipedia article is outright wrong. The RabbitEars link in the article is to the Movies+ subchannel, which already exists, not to the yet-unaired Movies! subchannel. Furthermore, no reliable article names stations slated to air Movies!, especially in markets where Fox holds a duopoly. I don't consider Kevin Eck's TV Spy article to be reliable, as he doesn't name any sources to back up his list of stations.

Edit: RabbitEars is showing Fox network stations as the new hosts for "Movies!". I'm not certain that's accurate for the markets where Fox has a duopoly.
 
You're in good company, because I'm not certain either.

- Trip
 
tested said:
I love rabbitears, but don't take that as the gospel. This may well wind up on KDFI 27.3 because of KDFW's dyle tv signal.
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Forgive me if I'm not understanding what you're suggesting, but I can assure you Dyle TV is not incompatible with a .2 subchannel.
 
w9wi said:
tested said:
I love rabbitears, but don't take that as the gospel. This may well wind up on KDFI 27.3 because of KDFW's dyle tv signal.
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Forgive me if I'm not understanding what you're suggesting, but I can assure you Dyle TV is not incompatible with a .2 subchannel.
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I wasn't suggesting it was. But it does eat some bandwidth. Fox will probably try to figure out if they're going to hurt the PQ on their main Fox stations by having BOTH on there. If so, they'll shunt Movies! off to their My Network TV O&Os. They don't care that much about hurting the PQ there since those are somewhat secondary in importance.
 
tested said:
w9wi said:
tested said:
I love rabbitears, but don't take that as the gospel. This may well wind up on KDFI 27.3 because of KDFW's dyle tv signal.
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Forgive me if I'm not understanding what you're suggesting, but I can assure you Dyle TV is not incompatible with a .2 subchannel.
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I wasn't suggesting it was. But it does eat some bandwidth. Fox will probably try to figure out if they're going to hurt the PQ on their main Fox stations by having BOTH on there. If so, they'll shunt Movies! off to their My Network TV O&Os. They don't care that much about hurting the PQ there since those are somewhat secondary in importance.
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My understanding is that both KDFW/4 and KDFI/27 currently use the Fox splicer, which allocates a fixed bandwidth to the .1 subchannel - and the leftover bandwidth is nowhere near enough to support a .2 and a .3 on the same channel with any reasonable PQ. Running a .2 along with M/H (Dyle) on that leftover sliver of bandwidth is dicey as well. Even though it's low def, M/H takes a disproportionate amount of bandwidth due to the extra error correction it needs (to deal with receivers that keep moving around).

KDFW is both Fox O/O and a Fox affiliate, so they'll keep using the splicer no matter what. KDFI is also Fox O/O, but since they're an affiliate of Fox's "other" network, Fox might let them replace their splicer with a more conventional statmux. If that happens, 27.3 is a possibility.

Another possibility might be KFWD, which is a MundoFox affiliate but not Fox O/O and so doesn't use the splicer, so Fox could move their M/H over there and put Movies! on 4.2. Personally, I think VHF is no place for M/H, but we'll just have to see what Fox does....
 
tested said:
No, it won't wind up on KFWD. Pretty sure it'll be either 4.2 or 27.3 based on what I've heard.
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I know; I was saying the M/H (i.e., Dyle) stuff could possibly wind up on KFWD, to make room for Movies! on 4.2. Neither KFWD nor Dyle viewers would even know it was there (the Dyle channels would still display as 4.1 and 27.1).

Of course that may be quite unlikely. For one thing, reception would suck. I thought I should mention it anyway, though, for the sake of completeness at least.
 
JHBrandt said:
tested said:
No, it won't wind up on KFWD. Pretty sure it'll be either 4.2 or 27.3 based on what I've heard.
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I know; I was saying the M/H (i.e., Dyle) stuff could possibly wind up on KFWD, to make room for Movies! on 4.2. Neither KFWD nor Dyle viewers would even know it was there (the Dyle channels would still display as 4.1 and 27.1).

Of course that may be quite unlikely. For one thing, reception would suck. I thought I should mention it anyway, though, for the sake of completeness at least.
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Fox does not own KFWD either. They're not going to put the Dyle version of KDFW on KFWD.
 
I know Fox doesn't own KFWD (and can't under current FCC rules). But they're already filling KFWD's entire bandwidth. There's no technical reason they couldn't replace some of those data packets (although I've twice conceded it'd be a stupid idea due to reception issues, so I don't expect it to happen).

Is there a legal reason? Antitrust maybe? Is KFWD prohibited from carrying a M/H simulcast of KDFW because they're supposed to be competitors, even though they target clearly different audiences? Is there some obscure FCC rule on this I don't know about? And if so, how do they get away with carrying MundoFox? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
My hunch, though I have nothing to prove this, is that an m/h channel from KDFW would have to have a psip of 52.1 if it was on KFWD.

My suspicion is that Fox will put this on 27.3 just to be safe. I don't really think it would hurt Fox 4, but I do think they would have to take Fox 4 off the Fox HD splitter and that's something they probably don't want to do.
 
tested said:
My hunch, though I have nothing to prove this, is that an m/h channel from KDFW would have to have a psip of 52.1 if it was on KFWD.
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I'll have to admit some ignorance as to the provision for M/H virtual channels in the ATSC standard.

It would be technically contrary to the standard (and thus, the FCC regulations) for a KDFW simulcast in regular ATSC on KFWD to use 4.1, because the stations are not co-owned. However, I *highly* doubt the FCC would object if KFWD had KDFW's permission. (and if KFWD *didn't* have KDFW's permission, the FCC would probably be the least of KFWD's concerns :) )

(if Fox owned KFWD it would be unquestionably legal to carry a 4.1)
 
Just saw a promo on Fox 4 saying Movies! debuts Memorial Day and will be on 27.2. The ad tells viewers to rescan their TVs. Looks like Bounce is going to 27.3.
 
KTBC here in Austin confirmed that it will also be carrying Fox Movies on 7.2. No word as to when, but their 7.2 has been seen here locally without video, so it could be Monday.
 
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