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FOX or independent stations airing Big 3 network shows

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From rugrats1 on the Game Show Forum:

I recall finding on a website (don't know the URL offhand) a screengrab for a [Match Game '90] promo from Boston, which said on the top "WHLL, Weekdays at Noon", so it's a fact that ch.27 did carry MG90.

(Ch.27's calls at the time was WHLL [now WUNI], and yes, it was independent then.)
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http://www.gameshowforum.org/index.php?action=post;quote=22911;topic=2603.0;last_msg=23684

On other threads, I read about independent stations in Milwaukee and Nashville picking up Johnny Carson when the NBC affiliates there refused to clear him. Also in Memphis, WMKW (now WLMT) aired The CBS Late Movie for a time in the 1980s.

Can anyone else think of some programs from Big 3 networks that were picked up by independent stations or FOX affiliates during the ‘80s and ‘90s?
 
This is going way back, but my memory is that KTVU (Channel 2) in the Bay Area used to air CBS shows when they were pre-empted by the CBS affiliate KPIX 5. But that ended in 86 when KTVU became a Fox affiliate. In these days of duopoly, Fox shows pre-empted on KTVU air on KICU 36 (both are owned by Fox now). Similarly, CBS shows pre-empted by KPIX run on KBCW 44 (both now owned by CBS).
 
I remember KTZO/20 running "The Price Is Right" when KPIX didn't clear it, and they may have cleared other shows that escape my memory (but I don't remember KTVU clearing any network shows). Maybe one of the NBC soaps?

Before it became the SuperStation, WTCG/17 Atlanta carried virtually all of the NBC network programming that WSB-TV didn't ... and angered the network by running "NBC is on 17" ads.

When I did the Philadelphia independents' listings from 1967 and 1973 about a month ago I noted that WPHL-TV/17 carried ABC's news-interview programs "Issues And Answers" and "ABC Scope", as well as some of the weekend cartoons.

It is noted in my article on the Overmyer Network on the History of UHF Television site that WDHO-TV/24 in Toledo carried the prime-time movies not cleared by WSPD-TV (NBC) and WTOL-TV (CBS) in the 1966-67 season.

I'm sure I could find more if I pulled out all my old TV Guides and looked through them.
 
Back in the day, it was very common for independent affiliates to pass on the weakest network shows. They were able to make more money with local or syndicated shows (and local spots) than from network compensation. In Philadelphia, Group W's KYW-TV regularly passed up NBC shows for local or Group W programming. Triangle Publications' and later Cap Cities' WFIL-TV/WPVI also passed up ABC shows for local or syndicated fare.

In Detroit, Storer owned WJBK-TV frequently passed on CBS shows, including at one point, The CBS Evening News and, for a long time, whatever morning show CBS did and whatever show CBS fed at 10am. For several years, CKLW-TV, Windsor picked up Edward R. Murrow's "Person to Person." Other Storer stations also refused network programming.
 
In Dallas-Fort Worth, we haven't had as many preemptions as many parkets.

WFAA/8 didn't run the Edge of Night from ABC at 3 PM for a long time. I believe KTWS/27 (now KDFI) picked up The Edge of Night for a while in the 80s
WFAA/8 didn't run American Bandstand on Saturday mornings. KDTV/39 tried to run it for a few weeks in the early 70s, but as I recall the picture was usually bad and in black-and-white.
WFAA/8 preempted NYPD Blue in its first season. KTXA/21 aired it.

Then there was WFAA/8 preemption of Scared Straight. WFAA wanted to delay it from a weekday prime time to a Sunday at 10:30 PM. (IIRC,) ABC refused. Then KXAS/5 (NBC) offered to run the show. ABC agreed. It aired: Sunday at 10:30 PM on KXAS/5.

KXAS/5 often preempted network, even prime time, for Texas Rangers games. I don't recall any other station running the preempted shows.
 
When the local Hartford CBS affiliate used to broadcast the Jerry Lewis telethon, the CW station would air the US Open. They still do it with college football games running into local news time. I don't know if they have a broadcast agreement.
 
CBS is part owner of the CW (CBS - Warner Brothers). Many CW stations are co-owned with CBS stations and operate as duopoly. CW stations in many markets carry an early edition of the CBS station's late newscast. On some, the local CBS station morning show continues on the CW station when the CBS station goes to the network show. It's likely more than an agreement.
 
Oscar Madison said:
CBS is part owner of the CW (CBS - Warner Brothers). Many CW stations are co-owned with CBS stations and operate as duopoly. CW stations in many markets carry an early edition of the CBS station's late newscast. On some, the local CBS station morning show continues on the CW station when the CBS station goes to the network show. It's likely more than an agreement.
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Our CBS is owned by Meredith, the local CW is owned by the Fox affiliate who is Tribune.
 
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Oscar Madison said:
Other Storer stations also refused network programming.
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Like WAGA for example; they too didn't air the CBS Evening News until 1966 (when WAGA moved into their current Briarcliff Road studios)

But while we're sticking with Atlanta: As brought up many times before (by bpatrick and Ccook55), then-indies WATL, WUPA (WVEU), and WPXA (WTLK) picked up several network shows that were preempted by WSB, WAGA, and WXIA.

In Alaska: KTBY and KYES (Anchorage) started out as independents, but never ran any network fare because KTUU, KTVA, and KIMO/KYUR cleared every one of them. I also remember KFXF (Fairbanks) carrying the NBA on NBC for a while as well as NBC News at Sunrise, but Tom Brokaw fans would have to wait until 1996 (when KTVF went from CBS to NBC) to see Nightly News once again.
 
newsmark said:
In Dallas-Fort Worth, we haven't had as many preemptions as many parkets.

WFAA/8 didn't run the Edge of Night from ABC at 3 PM for a long time. I believe KTWS/27 (now KDFI) picked up The Edge of Night for a while in the 80s
WFAA/8 didn't run American Bandstand on Saturday mornings. KDTV/39 tried to run it for a few weeks in the early 70s, but as I recall the picture was usually bad and in black-and-white.
WFAA/8 preempted NYPD Blue in its first season. KTXA/21 aired it.

Then there was WFAA/8 preemption of Scared Straight. WFAA wanted to delay it from a weekday prime time to a Sunday at 10:30 PM. (IIRC,) ABC refused. Then KXAS/5 (NBC) offered to run the show. ABC agreed. It aired: Sunday at 10:30 PM on KXAS/5.

KXAS/5 often preempted network, even prime time, for Texas Rangers games. I don't recall any other station running the preempted shows.
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I read off the Wiki page of KTVT (the current CBS affiliate in DFW) stating that the station (as an independent) aired The Price is Right and The Bold and the Beautiful while former CBS (now Fox) affiliate KDFW aired Donahue and a midday news to replace.
 
KCPQ in Seattle (Fox, channel 13) was big on taking network game shows preempted by KING-5 (NBC) and KIRO-7 (CBS). They aired Family Feud (including the 1992 "Challenge" hour version), the daytime Wheel of Fortune (pretty much all the versions), Sale of the Century, Classic Concentration, and I believe at one time, the $25,000 Pyramid when it was ran on CBS.

-crainbebo
 
K.M. Richards said:
I remember KTZO/20 running "The Price Is Right" when KPIX didn't clear it, and they may have cleared other shows that escape my memory (but I don't remember KTVU clearing any network shows). Maybe one of the NBC soaps?
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KTZO/KOFY did most of the 'picking up uncleared shows' during the '80s and '90s, but it turns out that KTVU did carry some network programming in the early '70s. Somewhere in one of the retro listings threads are the listings for September 4, 1972, the debut date for two notable CBS games, 'The Joker's Wild' and the Bob Barker 'Price is Right'(then a half-hour show). KPIX was running local talk shows between 9 and 10, and therefore didn't clear either game show, but KTVU picked them up. Not sure how long that arrangement lasted; later in the decade, 'TPIR' was on the other Bay Area independent(KBHK 44). In 1980, channel 20 switched from KEMO, a hodgepodge of Spanish-language programming and stock market reports to KTZO, picking up TPIR almost from day 1, as well as NBC soaps 'Texas', 'The Doctors', and, eventually, 'Search for Tomorrow'(which never aired on KRON after switching to NBC in the early '80s.)
 
onairb2014 said:
KTZO/KOFY did most of the 'picking up uncleared shows' during the '80s and '90s, but it turns out that KTVU did carry some network programming in the early '70s.
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Ah, I didn't search far enough back in time. Thanks for digging up that old post.
 
WPTY (Now WATN) or WLMT in Memphis could have made up a pretty decent morning schedule just from the NBC game shows that were pre-empted by WMC for talk shows from the late 70's to the early 90's. :rolleyes:
 
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