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Fox Sunday NFL vs. Prime Time, redux

fybush

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Sometimes it seems Fox can't win for trying. As I type this (7:28 PM ET), they're deep into overtime on the Giants-Iggles game, which means the odds are slim indeed that they'll get through the end of this game and the postgame show in time to start the Simpsons on time at 8.

If so - and assuming they push prime time back as a result, rather than JIP'ing the Simpsons - this will be the second time this season that they've had to do a Sunday pushback. (At least this time I'm home to watch the show whenever it starts, rather than getting half of it on the timer, as happened a few weeks back.)

And of course it means that maybe 30% of the country - MT, PT and whoever's not getting the Giants game in the East - will get to see the new King of the Hill scheduled for 7:30, which has got to be a pretty big waste of money on Fox's part.

The problem here isn't having a signature non-football show that conflicts with football. CBS has dealt with that issue with 60 Minutes for decades now. The problem is not having a consistent policy on pushing back vs. JIP'ing. Fox has killed KOTH by sticking it at 7:30 and then JIP'ing or pre-empting it week after week. As these football games get ever longer (I don't remember this EVER being a problem for an 8 PM Simpsons start before this season), this is becoming an issue for the Simpsons as well, and I suspect that'll be a much bigger issue for Fox than sacrificing KOTH was.

Oh, and as long as I'm on a Fox tear again - just before the end of their postgame shows for both MLB and NFL, they show a text acknowledgement of their sponsors, which is no big deal...but they seem to be generating it on a Chyron from about 1983, against a plain blue background. It's rather jarringly different from the rest of the Fox Sports graphics package. Anyone know why it's done that way?<P ID="signature">______________
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> And of course it means that maybe 30% of the country - MT,
> PT and whoever's not getting the Giants game in the East -
> will get to see the new King of the Hill scheduled for 7:30,
> which has got to be a pretty big waste of money on Fox's
> part.

Usually, if it's not shown in the east, it's not shown in the west. Chances are western viewers will be getting a KOTH rerun, with the new episode rescheduled for a later date.
 
Nope, Fox trashed another new episode...

> Usually, if it's not shown in the east, it's not shown in
> the west. Chances are western viewers will be getting a KOTH
> rerun, with the new episode rescheduled for a later date.

Here in the east, the game ended with a Giants OT victory at 7:43, followed by a very abbreviated post-game show. At 7:52, they went into their usual 90 seconds of self-congratulatory promos, then a spot break, then into the full KOTH theme song, followed by JIP'ing the last - literally - two minutes of the new KOTH. (At least, I think it was the new KOTH. There wasn't much to go on.)

So they'll get their Simpsons hard start at 8 - but, c'mon, now. Do they get some benefit from showing two minutes of KOTH rather than extending the post-game show to 8? It makes no sense, otherwise.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Nope, Fox trashed another new episode...

> Here in the east, the game ended with a Giants OT victory at
> 7:43, followed by a very abbreviated post-game show. At
> 7:52, they went into their usual 90 seconds of
> self-congratulatory promos, then a spot break, then into the
> full KOTH theme song, followed by JIP'ing the last -
> literally - two minutes of the new KOTH. (At least, I think
> it was the new KOTH. There wasn't much to go on.)

"Once upon the time, we join this fairy tale already in progress. ...been rescued. And they lived happily ever after. The end."

Why can't they just extend the post game to 8PM, and write KOTH off until next time?

Sometime I question the intelligence of these programmers.
 
On those stations that carried the New York Giants/Philadelphia Eagles gamne (including WFXT-25 Boston), the rerun of whatever episode of "King Of The Hill" that was substituted for the now-postponed first-run episode was joined in progress, ending at 8 P.M. EST.

Maybe Fox's solution is to run an NFL postgame show from 7 to 8 P.M. EST/EDT every week of the regular-season, even on weeks when Fox is broadcasting only one NFL game to any single affiliate. Maybe future seasons of "KOTH" should wait until January.

Interestingly enough, this was a "singleheader" week for Fox, but an unusually large number of Fox affiliates were broadcasting a 4:05 P.M. EST game.

By the way, CBS' late game coverage (they had the doubleheader this week, December 11th) didn't end until around 7:30 P.M. EST. "60 Minutes" is running at it's full length, so the finale of the latest series of "Survivor" won't begin until around 8:30 P.M. EST.

I wonder if CBS might cut short the live reunion/interviews of the castaways that "Survivor" always has after announcing it's winner so that the special would end at 11 P.M. EST.
 
Re: Nope, Fox trashed another new episode...

> > Usually, if it's not shown in the east, it's not shown in
> > the west. Chances are western viewers will be getting a
> KOTH
> > rerun, with the new episode rescheduled for a later date.
>
> Here in the east, the game ended with a Giants OT victory at
> 7:43, followed by a very abbreviated post-game show. At
> 7:52, they went into their usual 90 seconds of
> self-congratulatory promos, then a spot break, then into the
> full KOTH theme song, followed by JIP'ing the last -
> literally - two minutes of the new KOTH. (At least, I think
> it was the new KOTH. There wasn't much to go on.)
>
> So they'll get their Simpsons hard start at 8 - but, c'mon,
> now. Do they get some benefit from showing two minutes of
> KOTH rather than extending the post-game show to 8? It makes
> no sense, otherwise.
>
Yep, just flew down here to GA this afternoon and in the Augusta and Atlanta markets it was Malcolm at 7 and a nice new KOTH at 7:30. The first one I've seen all year!!

Frankly, I emplore FOX to exchange timeslots between KOTH and "The War at Home". That way, if there is a long game, it would be no great loss!
 
To "Slide" Or Not To "Slide"??

Seems like Fox really wants to start "The Simpsons" on-time at 8 P.M. EST.

During the 1976 NFL season, the first one during which the show was broadcast from 7 to 8 P.M. ET on Sundays, "60 Minutes" would be abbreviated if the 4:05 P.M. ET NFL game ran past 7, so that the rest of the network's Sunday night prime-time schedule would be broadcast on-time.

But by that time, "60 Minutes" had become a major success (and moneymaker) for the network, and after many complaints from both viewers and "60 Minutes" staff, CBS decided that the entire Sunday-night prime-time schedule would "slide" and be seen in full once football ended.

I believe it was only during that one season that "60" was abbreviated; I think CBS has had it's entire Sunday-night prime-time schedule (with the major exception being the night of the recent Primetime Emmy Awards) "slide" in case of late-running football games beginning in 1977 through the present.
 
> I wonder if CBS might cut short the live reunion/interviews
> of the castaways that "Survivor" always has after announcing
> it's winner so that the special would end at 11 P.M. EST.
>

Going to be intersting what will happen in Canada, as thre broadcasters there would be forced to "vamp" until it comes on the CBS feed.

Unless, of course, CBS does put it out right at 8PM ET for the benefit of stations that did not carry the late game. Meaning, the "live" reunion would be actually tape-delayed by about a half-hour.
 
> I wonder if CBS might cut short the live reunion/
> interviews of the castaways that "Survivor" always
> has after announcing it's winner so that the special
> would end at 11 P.M. EST.

They could, since the only castaways left are
Ginger, the Professor and Mary Ann. (Sorry ;-)

If they do shorten the live bit to be off by
11:00 ET, they'll have to do something to fill
an almost 40-minute gap on the left coast feed.
(Wait, they could run the KOTH episode that was
...oops, wrong network, wrong coast). Not to
mention Mountain zone stations that are turning
prime time around on an approx. 20-minute delay.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by oldiesfan on 12/12/05 01:46 AM.</FONT></P>
 
KOTH, WAH, and Simps- new. FG & AD - reruns

Here's an idea.
Why not show the full KOTH, War at home, and Simpsons and pre-empt the Family Guy tonight. Seeing that FG is a rerun, and one that has aired like six times since it originally aired, it would be no great loss.
 
Re: Nope, Fox trashed another new episode...

> Frankly, I emplore FOX to exchange timeslots between KOTH
> and "The War at Home". That way, if there is a long game,
> it would be no great loss!

Maybe to you.
Personally I'd rather watch War at home than KOTH. War at home is unique and funny.

KOTH is old and tired.
 
> Unless, of course, CBS does put it out right
> at 8PM ET for the benefit of stations that
> did not carry the late game. Meaning, the
> "live" reunion would be actually tape-delayed
> by about a half-hour.

Interesting take on this, except that the only
markets that did not get a CBS late game were
Philadelphia and Seattle (per Gribblenation),
and it appeared CBS folded the other two late
game regions into K.C./Dallas upon conclusion
of those games.

Since Seattle would not be affected (being on
the left coast feed for prime), perhaps someone
in the Philly TV market can enlighten us on
what happened at 8:00 on KYW-TV.
 
Hi everyone:

> > Unless, of course, CBS does put it out right
> > at 8PM ET for the benefit of stations that
> > did not carry the late game. Meaning, the
> > "live" reunion would be actually tape-delayed
> > by about a half-hour.
>
> Interesting take on this, except that the only
> markets that did not get a CBS late game were
> Philadelphia and Seattle (per Gribblenation),

Don't forget the SF Bay Area. Somehow I can't imagine KPIX 5 airing one either while the 49ers were on KTVU 2, the local FOX affiliate (even though it was a road game in Seattle).

> and it appeared CBS folded the other two late
> game regions into K.C./Dallas upon conclusion
> of those games.

Being one who's home game was the Baltimore Ravens-Denver Broncos game (which I excruitiatingly watched), I can personally attest that we got the last 2:30 of the K.C./Dallas game once the aforementioned Baltimore-Denver was over. My guess is that CBS probably felt as though they had a choice between K.C./Dallas and Miami/SD as both were close games and just arbitrarily picked the K.C./Dallas game to switch to.

> Since Seattle would not be affected (being on
> the left coast feed for prime), perhaps someone
> in the Philly TV market can enlighten us on
> what happened at 8:00 on KYW-TV.

Here's a better question, what'd KYW do after the early game ended?

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> Don't forget the SF Bay Area. Somehow I can't
> imagine KPIX 5 airing one either while the 49ers
> were on KTVU 2, the local FOX affiliate (even though
> it was a road game in Seattle).

Both Bay Area teams were on the road, so the TV market
got three games today.


> Here's a better question, what'd KYW do after the
> early game ended?

"Filler" stuff (and probably JIP-able) from 4-6pm.
 
> Usually, if it's not shown in the east, it's not shown in
> the west. Chances are western viewers will be getting a KOTH
> rerun, with the new episode rescheduled for a later date.

As noted elsewhere, a new episode of KOTH ran tonight. It ran in its entirety here in Dallas/Fort Worth, since the game running locally on Fox here started at noon.
 
Re: To "Slide" Or Not To "Slide"??

Sunday night was a good example of that strategy. CBS ran 60 Minutes in full, running a couple of crawls over the second story to announce that Survivor would start at 8:22 pm ET, which it did, and it also aired in full.

That should keep their "59 Million viewers" happy. BTW: is 59 Million some sort of happy number at the eyeball? Seems like promos for at least three shows have advertised that figure in the last week.
 
Re: To "Slide" Or Not To "Slide"??

"60 Minutes" had a 60, 50, 40, 30 and 15 minute version ready in case of football runover, as I recall during '76 (I thought that wasn't the only year). This resulted in West Coast viewers seeing a lot of rerun stories, as 60 minutes would re-air segments that had not aired in the east. My grandmaother was always especially upset about football running into 60 minutes time, and if they switched to conclude another game she'd literally hit the roof. She wanted "That's the game. tick..tick..tick"..an immediate switch to 60 minutes with no postgame, no ID, no commercial, no nothing!<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Nope, Fox trashed another new episode...

> > Frankly, I emplore FOX to exchange timeslots between KOTH
> > and "The War at Home". That way, if there is a long game,
>
> > it would be no great loss!
>
> Maybe to you.
> Personally I'd rather watch War at home than KOTH. War at
> home is unique and funny.
>
> KOTH is old and tired.
>
Opinions vary, don't they.

To me, TWAH is a trashy celebration of abberant lifestyles and coarse humor that's not funny. KOTH is a solidly written and amusing program that ages well. FOX has done this crap repeatedly in punishing well done shows in order to push programming of more dubious quality. That's how Family Guy got killed the first time around.

When KOTH is on, I happily watch. When TWAH is on, it's a great time to visit the loo. That's a more wholesome experience.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by BRNout on 12/13/05 12:24 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: KOTH, WAH, and Simps- new. FG & AD - reruns

> Here's an idea.
> Why not show the full KOTH, War at home, and Simpsons and
> pre-empt the Family Guy tonight. Seeing that FG is a rerun,
> and one that has aired like six times since it originally
> aired, it would be no great loss.
>
A great idea!! Sadly it's too far out of "the box" for the programming geniuses at FOX.

I love FG, but you are right - that episode has been seen AT LEAST 6 times on FOX.
 
> Oh, and as long as I'm on a Fox tear again - just before the
> end of their postgame shows for both MLB and NFL, they show
> a text acknowledgement of their sponsors, which is no big
> deal...but they seem to be generating it on a Chyron from
> about 1983, against a plain blue background. It's rather
> jarringly different from the rest of the Fox Sports graphics
> package. Anyone know why it's done that way?
>

I half expect the Goodson-Todman logo to show up on those. ;-)
 
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