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Fox switching in Ft. Wayne and Springfield, MO

Small correction: The soon-to-be-former FOX affiliate in Boise is owned by Block Communications, not Nexstar.
 
This news won't make Dish Network & DirecTV viewers happy in Fort Wayne, IN. Since both satellite services refuse to carry local subchannels, then they'll lose their local Fox affiliate on satellite. I wonder if people in Fort Wayne might be able to get a nearby market Fox affiliate on Dish Network & the New York & Los Angeles Fox stations on DirecTV. The article states that Fox programming will move to a subchannel to WISE-TV, which is an NBC affiliate on the main channel, & My Network TV programming on 15.2. I wonder though if Wise-TV Fort Wayne, IN will do what KRBK Springfield, MO will do, which is have Fox Primetime programming in the 8 - 10pm ET, then MNT from 10pm - midnight ET (KRBK is in the Central Time Zone, & will have Fox Primetime programming from 7-9pm & MNT programming from 9-11pm).
 
Dave said:
This news won't make Dish Network & DirecTV viewers happy in Fort Wayne, IN. Since both satellite services refuse to carry local subchannels, then they'll lose their local Fox affiliate on satellite.
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I believe the DBS services will carry it considering that it's a FOX affiliate.
 
JayR said:
Dave said:
This news won't make Dish Network & DirecTV viewers happy in Fort Wayne, IN. Since both satellite services refuse to carry local subchannels, then they'll lose their local Fox affiliate on satellite.
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I believe the DBS services will carry it considering that it's a FOX affiliate.
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WISE will be able to make a lot of money. However I would be complaining, given that Granite and its shell company now control 3 of the 4 network affiliates in Fort Wayne.
 
I know the FCC doesn't have the teeth it used to but with all this consolidation you'd think someone would start some kind of a lawsuit for monopolistic reason, in these small markets. I'm not saying they'd win, but you'd think somebody would think about it
 
These little stunts by FOX is proof that some smaller TV markets clearly needs to be collapsed into larger ones, SMH. Mark, I agree because most of the markets below the top 100 are filled within mostly digital sub-channels as network affiliates rather than full-power, independently run TV stations. Ironically, a number of cable systems in addition to DirecTV and Dish will not carry these stations in their basic line-up if at all. It leaves a number of households and potential network viewers in the dark because of the trifling behavior of some networks and broadcast companies.
 
Man, it's gotta be TOUGH for all the stations on the losing end. How many of these have been with Fox since the beginning?
 
This news won't make Dish Network & DirecTV viewers happy in Fort Wayne, IN. Since both satellite services refuse to carry local subchannels, then they'll lose their local Fox affiliate on satellite.
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In the Springfield, MO market, Dish Network carries KSPR 33.2/K15CZ, which is a CW affiliate...the main channel is ABC and controlled by KYTV (NBC).

In the Quincy, IL/Hannibal, MO market, Dish Network carries KHQA 7.2, which is an ABC affiliate. Also in that market, Dish carries WGEM 10.3 (Fox). However, they don't carry WGEM 10.2, which is CW Plus (The fact that it's CW Plus could have something do do with that). KHQA 7.1 and WGEM 10.1 are CBS and NBC, respectively.

I can't speak for DirecTV, but it seems Dish Network does carry subchannels in some markets if they are affiliates of major networks.
 
Iowan said:
Man, it's gotta be TOUGH for all the stations on the losing end. How many of these have been with Fox since the beginning?
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I agree but it's hardly new. When the big affiliation switches of the mid 90s came about all the little stations were griping about how Murdoch sold them a bill of goods, on how they were family and FOX and them were partners. Then the little guys got dumped for the big VHF affiliates.
 
SteveRichards said:
I can't speak for DirecTV, but it seems Dish Network does carry subchannels in some markets if they are affiliates of major networks.
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The DBS companies add subchannels, if they're major affiliates. They have no problem there, they do however have problems with adding the minor ones like affiliates of Antenna TV, RTV, etc.
 
kilamanjero said:
These little stunts by FOX is proof that some smaller TV markets clearly needs to be collapsed into larger ones, SMH.
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I don't think that's the answer. I'm quite familiar with Fort Wayne, since my in-laws live there. It is certainly very much its own market. It's close to a two-hour drive from the center of the FW market to any of the nearest larger markets - South Bend/Elkhart, Indianapolis or Toledo. None of their stations come even close to being receivable in Allen County. Few if any advertisers in any of those markets have any reason to want to reach Fort Wayne viewers, nor are there many Fort Wayne businesses that would have the money (or any particular reason) to advertise in a larger combined market. (I don't know Springfield as well, but it certainly seems to me to be large enough and distant enough from Kansas City or Columbia or Joplin or Little Rock to support its own roster of stations.)

The issue here isn't that FW is too small to support a Fox affiliate; it's that the Fox affiliate in question doesn't want to meet the network's terms. It happens. If it had happened 20 years ago, the market might have ended up with FoxNet or with cable systems importing a more distant station (probably WXIN from Indianapolis). OTA viewers would have been left out, not that there are many of those in Fort Wayne, and local advertisers wouldn't have been able to buy time on a local Fox affiliate.

Seems to me this way is more of a win for all involved (except perhaps WFFT), isn't it?
 
Columbia,MO doesn't have it's own Fox so doesn't the 2 cities west of Springfield to. KC has FOX4KC,St. Louis and Tulsa have their own I think.
We just need to know the rest of the Schedule for KRBK Fox's.
 
mgsports said:
Columbia,MO doesn't have it's own Fox so doesn't the 2 cities west of Springfield to.
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You're off by one. Columbia has KQFX.

- Trip
 
Dave said:
This news won't make Dish Network & DirecTV viewers happy in Fort Wayne, IN. Since both satellite services refuse to carry local subchannels, then they'll lose their local Fox affiliate on satellite.
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...in Bakersfield, The CW is on KGET-TV/v17.2 (17.1 is NBC), and we get it on DirecTV here...
 
Scott Fybush said:
The issue here isn't that FW is too small to support a Fox affiliate; it's that the Fox affiliate in question doesn't want to meet the network's terms.
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You're not wrong, but it kind of brings up a question. Does every market really NEED all the affiliates. Look at South Bend and Terre Haute, in Indiana. Full power TV stations dropped ABC to pick up FOX.

Though both markets had some overlapped with strong ABC stations from Indy and Chicago, it does seem kind of necessary to ask. Like in the days in the early 70s and before when not all markets had all three networks on a full time basis

Hmmm?
 
Mark said:
You're not wrong, but it kind of brings up a question. Does every market really NEED all the affiliates. Look at South Bend and Terre Haute, in Indiana. Full power TV stations dropped ABC to pick up FOX.
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I believe the decision to dump ABC for Fox in South Bend was because of football. Simply put, the Bears are a huge draw there, and Fox had just gotten the rights to air most of their games. It was an attempt for the third rated station to get a little bigger slice of the pie from WSBT, which lost the rights to the NFC games with CBS.

I believe the Terre Haute change happened as a package deal with Evansville. I seem to remember WTVW and WBAK being co-owned prior to Nexstar. That, by the way, makes me wonder if Fox won't be leaving Nexstar in Terre Haute before long.
 
SteveRichards said:
In the Springfield, MO market, Dish Network carries KSPR 33.2/K15CZ, which is a CW affiliate...the main channel is ABC and controlled by KYTV (NBC).

In the Quincy, IL/Hannibal, MO market, Dish Network carries KHQA 7.2, which is an ABC affiliate. Also in that market, Dish carries WGEM 10.3 (Fox). However, they don't carry WGEM 10.2, which is CW Plus (The fact that it's CW Plus could have something do do with that). KHQA 7.1 and WGEM 10.1 are CBS and NBC, respectively.

I can't speak for DirecTV, but it seems Dish Network does carry subchannels in some markets if they are affiliates of major networks.
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Correct. In the case of Springfield and Quincy/Hannibal, the deals to carry those subchannels are part of the compensation package the owners receive in order to carry their main signals. That's what's likely to happen in Ft. Wayne, too.

By the way, are you the same Steve Richards I used to work with at Zimmer and used to compete against at the Lake of the Ozarks?
 
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