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Fox Threatening to Dump Some Local Affiliates

Albany's WXXA is also one of the original 1986 FOX affiliates (still on their original calls since their signon in 1982 actually)... wonder if they'd pick up MyTV (currently on WNYA) or just go indie if they're on the chopping block ;)

WXXA is also somewhat of a beacon of stability in the Albany TV market... while other networks have switched affiliations, calls, etc., channel 23 has been FOX since the network began, and has not changed calls... could that all change if that affiliate's contract ends up expiring? I remember in 2006, WEWB-45 became CW and acquired the "WCWN" calls (and was sold to Freedom Communications, owners of WRGB, a short while later) while WNYA flipped to MyTV from UPN... last major network switch in the Albany market (prior to that, PBS member WMHQ was sold to Tribune and became WEWB as the first OTA WB affiliate in the Albany market... the little-known WVBG on channel 25 (I believe) was the UPN affiliate but did not get TWC carriage, resulting in the launch of a cable-exclusive UPN on TWC, WNYA signed on in 2003 replacing cable-only UPN4)
 
Torrent sites also take their toll. If you can get into a popular torrent site you can easily download high quality episodes very quickly. Most are posted within 10 minutes after the show ends. Illegal yes, but still it offers viewers a choice
 
KeithE4 said:
Are younger viewers watching OTA TV? I would guess not, although that may change in the near future.
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Maybe but the odds are NOT in television's favor. Way way too many younger folks are into that "I don't watch TV" kick and that includes ALL of TV. The closest they will get to "watching" a local TV channel is to look at a station's website and watch the news online. Actually many of today's young people are so anti-TV & anti-radio, even more so than many of the religious folks I had met way back when.
 
Tap the breaks on this story a bit. Fox is telling stations it's fine to get a retransmission fee - but since Fox's programming is the primary draw to those stations Fox deserves a cut of that fee. The stations don't disagree. The bone of contention will be over how much of that fee Fox gets. Fox is using disaffiliation as a stick in these negotiations. It is possible that might happen with astation or two, but it is highly unlikely. We ARE NOT in for another major round of affiliation changes.
 
mleach said:
KeithE4 said:
Are younger viewers watching OTA TV? I would guess not, although that may change in the near future.
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Maybe but the odds are NOT in television's favor. Way way too many younger folks are into that "I don't watch TV" kick and that includes ALL of TV. The closest they will get to "watching" a local TV channel is to look at a station's website and watch the news online. Actually many of today's young people are so anti-TV & anti-radio, even more so than many of the religious folks I had met way back when.
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I find that while a lot of young people say they're anti-TV and anti-radio, many more still watch TV and listen to radio. It's just that the "TV is dead" and "Radio is dead" crowds are so vocal.
 
M.J. said:
mleach said:
KeithE4 said:
Are younger viewers watching OTA TV? I would guess not, although that may change in the near future.
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Maybe but the odds are NOT in television's favor. Way way too many younger folks are into that "I don't watch TV" kick and that includes ALL of TV. The closest they will get to "watching" a local TV channel is to look at a station's website and watch the news online. Actually many of today's young people are so anti-TV & anti-radio, even more so than many of the religious folks I had met way back when.
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I find that while a lot of young people say they're anti-TV and anti-radio, many more still watch TV and listen to radio. It's just that the "TV is dead" and "Radio is dead" crowds are so vocal.
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I agree it's far from dead, it's just the older or traditional methods of delivering programming are changing and if they don't keep up with the times they'll get left back.

When TV came in the 50s, radio had to change, it took decades for FM to find it's niche in music and AM for talk. Radio didn't die, but the industry adapted.

This is what is happening to TV now. It is adapting and having growing pains
 
M.J. said:
mleach said:
KeithE4 said:
Are younger viewers watching OTA TV? I would guess not, although that may change in the near future.
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Maybe but the odds are NOT in television's favor. Way way too many younger folks are into that "I don't watch TV" kick and that includes ALL of TV. The closest they will get to "watching" a local TV channel is to look at a station's website and watch the news online. Actually many of today's young people are so anti-TV & anti-radio, even more so than many of the religious folks I had met way back when.
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I find that while a lot of young people say they're anti-TV and anti-radio, many more still watch TV and listen to radio. It's just that the "TV is dead" and "Radio is dead" crowds are so vocal.
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You may have a point there..but I do believe the days of the "radio announcer" is dead as far as young people are concerned but that is for a different post elsewhere on this site.
 
FreddyE1977 said:
wouldn't it have made more sense for them to do this BEFORE the Super Bowl?
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No because that would've made for fewer stations carrying the Super Bowl.

Cheers :D
 
firepoint525 said:
MattParker said:
CW and My TV stations would probably be happy to pay the Fox fees.
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Here in Nashville, the CW affiliate is a sister station to the Fox affiliate, so I wouldn't look for any changes of that nature here.
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Ditto here in Denver. In fact, Local Media would lose A LOT if KDVR 31 (Also a former FOX O&O) lost the Fox affiliation.

Fox likely wouldn't be happy with Gannett-owned KTVD 20 since its newscasts are produced by NBC affiliate KUSA 9 (Also owned by Gannett). Plus its cheaper for Gannett to have KTVD remain with MyNetwork TV rather than switch to Fox.

And Fox DEFINATELY wouldn't be happy with Daystar O&O KRMT 41 or ION O&O KPXC 59. They'd be better off starting from scratch (Ohh wait, they can't do that in Denver).

Besides Fox has its hands full in Denver on the radio side as the future of Fox Sports Radio is currently in limbo (See this thread for info. on that). The LAST thing Fox needs is another problem on the TV side.

And before someone else brings this up - Since Denver & Atlanta are in the same boat as far as NBC/MyNetwork TV duopolies are concerned, there's NO WAY Fox will give up WAGA 5 & run the risk of landing on Gannett-owned WATL 36 (MyNetwork TV) for the very same reason they won't take KTVD 20 on as an affiliate. Its newscast is produced by another station.

Cheers :D
 
Pat Cook said:
Ditto here in Denver. In fact, Local Media would lose A LOT if KDVR 31 (Also a former FOX O&O) lost the Fox affiliation.
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This is not likely to be an issue for awhile. I seem to remember hearing Local TV got a 10 year affiliation agreement with Fox when they bought those O&O's, like KDVR, a few years back. I'm sure TheRob could probably confirm that.
 
This does NOT affect stations the network owns.

What it might hurt are the penny pincher owners, like Nexstar (they switched KBTV from NBC to Fox to save money I think as well as add more newscasts).
 
Kent said:
This is not likely to be an issue for awhile. I seem to remember hearing Local TV got a 10 year affiliation agreement with Fox when they bought those O&O's, like KDVR, a few years back. I'm sure TheRob could probably confirm that.
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I'm not TheRob, but I can confirm that.

We (OMW) reported that at the time Local TV bought WJW/8 here in Cleveland.
 
Kent said:
Pat Cook said:
Ditto here in Denver. In fact, Local Media would lose A LOT if KDVR 31 (Also a former FOX O&O) lost the Fox affiliation.
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This is not likely to be an issue for awhile. I seem to remember hearing Local TV got a 10 year affiliation agreement with Fox when they bought those O&O's, like KDVR, a few years back. I'm sure TheRob could probably confirm that.
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That may be true but then again, there's nothing stopping Local Media from moving the Fox affiliation & the news from KDVR 31 to KWGN 2 though (Local Media, at least IIRC, does own KWGN 2).

On that front, the $64,000 Question is WOULD they have the guts to make such a move? I honestly don't think they will (Not that I'm hoping they would mind you :D )

Cheers :D
 
Nope, what you call "Local Media" (Local TV LLC) does not own KWGN/2. Tribune owns KWGN. Local TV owns KDVR.

The confusion comes from the close relationship between the two companies. Tribune basically operates the Local TV stations for them. And in Denver, the two stations above are operated together.

Anyway, I doubt the Local TV group will be affected by this, but I could be wrong. We are speculating to beat the band here, with very little actual evidence or even educated guesses.
 
Pat Cook said:
firepoint525 said:
MattParker said:
CW and My TV stations would probably be happy to pay the Fox fees.
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Here in Nashville, the CW affiliate is a sister station to the Fox affiliate, so I wouldn't look for any changes of that nature here.
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Ditto here in Denver. In fact, Local Media would lose A LOT if KDVR 31 (Also a former FOX O&O) lost the Fox affiliation.

Fox likely wouldn't be happy with Gannett-owned KTVD 20 since its newscasts are produced by NBC affiliate KUSA 9 (Also owned by Gannett). Plus its cheaper for Gannett to have KTVD remain with MyNetwork TV rather than switch to Fox.

And Fox DEFINATELY wouldn't be happy with Daystar O&O KRMT 41 or ION O&O KPXC 59. They'd be better off starting from scratch (Ohh wait, they can't do that in Denver).

Besides Fox has its hands full in Denver on the radio side as the future of Fox Sports Radio is currently in limbo (See this thread for info. on that). The LAST thing Fox needs is another problem on the TV side.

And before someone else brings this up - Since Denver & Atlanta are in the same boat as far as NBC/MyNetwork TV duopolies are concerned, there's NO WAY Fox will give up WAGA 5 & run the risk of landing on Gannett-owned WATL 36 (MyNetwork TV) for the very same reason they won't take KTVD 20 on as an affiliate. Its newscast is produced by another station.

Cheers :D
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And since I'm probably that "someone else," if Fox's o&os are not affected, then, no, WAGA will not go anywhere (this talk of CBS buying WAGA appears now to be just that--talk). But even on the infinity to one chance that WAGA went back to CBS, you're forgetting there's another station in Atlanta--the current CBS affiliate, WGCL/46. But don't jump to any conclusions because I think you're on-target on this one.
 
I like how in the letter to the stations from the link posted above says "Which we believe will end with FOX being the No. 1 network for the seventh consecutive year" Isn't CBS the #1 network, whats is FOX talking about this being 7th consecutive year?
 
Fox is probably talking about 18-49 numbers. They have become all important in recent years, and I do believe Fox has been #1 in 18-49 for some time.
 
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