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FOX-TV AFFILIATION IN SAN DIEGO

Stitch said:
XETV has officially announced they will be joining the CW.

http://www.fox6.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=7a4bac12-8df5-48e6-8f68-d8e355f50b95
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THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP MAN!
;D

I think this is very good news for everyone at XETV (I used to know one of the production directors over there). Viewing habits don't change overnight, and people who are used to watching 6 News will probably keep watching, while KSWB will pick up viewers once they are Fox. It's very good for the San Diego market, because it means that (at least for now), once again, all the stations in the market will be employing full news staffs (no more news piped from KSneed).

I'm a little suprised that they didn't just go ahead and pick up MyNetworkTV from the sister station and leave CW to KUSI. And what does that say about their faith in MyNetowrkTV (uh, oh...)?
 
So you have

2
3
4
5 KSWB (5) FOX
6 XETV (6) TheCW
7 KNSD (39) NBC
8 KFMB (8) CBS
9 KUSI (51) Ind
10 KGTV (10) ABC
11
12
13 XHDTV-TV (49) MyNetworkTV

So bascially the CW went up one channel and FOX went down one channel


So what's the cable lineup gonna be? I have from the Wikipedia the UHF brand themselves as their cable channel number.
 
Mark said:
So you have

2
3
4
5 KSWB (5) FOX
6 XETV (6) TheCW
7 KNSD (39) NBC
8 KFMB (8) CBS
9 KUSI (51) Ind
10 KGTV (10) ABC
11
12
13 XHDTV-TV (49) MyNetworkTV

So bascially the CW went up one channel and FOX went down one channel


So what's the cable lineup gonna be? I have from the Wikipedia the UHF brand themselves as their cable channel number.
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It's going to remain the same, at least I would imagine so. San Diego only has major cable operators...Cox and Time Warner. Time Warner, as part of its acquistion of the old Adelphia systems, inheirited the systems in Northern San Diego County. KPBS (Channel 15) occupies cable channel 11 on both systems, Channel 4 San Diego, the local sports and entertainment network, of course occupies cable channel 4.

For the record...here are the Cox lineups in San Diego:
http://www.cox.com/sandiego/docs/channellineup.pdf

Time Warner San Diego:
http://www.timewarnercable.com/Cust...D=112&Zip=&SortByPackage=false&Printable=True
http://www.timewarnercable.com/Cust...D=813&Zip=&SortByPackage=false&Printable=True
 
Mark said:
So you have

2
3
4
5 KSWB (5) FOX
6 XETV (6) TheCW
7 KNSD (39) NBC
8 KFMB (8) CBS
9 KUSI (51) Ind
10 KGTV (10) ABC
11
12
13 XHDTV-TV (49) MyNetworkTV

So bascially the CW went up one channel and FOX went down one channel


So what's the cable lineup gonna be? I have from the Wikipedia the UHF brand themselves as their cable channel number.
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Um, no...

XETV is OTA (Over The Air) 6 and Cable Channel 6.
KSWB is OTA 69, and Cable 5.

So on Cable only, the nets are trading spaces, right next to each other.
On the other hand, for the small percent of people who don't use cable in San Diego (or who can't afford it), CW is moving way to the beginning at Channel 6, and Fox is moving way to the end at Channel 69.
 
Garrett said:
Um, no...

XETV is OTA (Over The Air) 6 and Cable Channel 6.
KSWB is OTA 69, and Cable 5.

So on Cable only, the nets are trading spaces, right next to each other.
On the other hand, for the small percent of people who don't use cable in San Diego (or who can't afford it), CW is moving way to the beginning at Channel 6, and Fox is moving way to the end at Channel 69.
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This also holds true for Directv as well. XETV is listed as 6 while KSWB is 69, not the cable channel 5 they try to brand themselves with. For that matter KNSD is 39 and KUSI is 51 not 7 or 9, respectively, that the stations use for cable placement.

Also does anyone know what XETV's new website is going to be? And is KSWB going to get new call letters on August 1? The WB is obviously dead and they really dont seem like they would fit with the Fox affiliation.
 
philosofy said:
Garrett said:
Um, no...

XETV is OTA (Over The Air) 6 and Cable Channel 6.
KSWB is OTA 69, and Cable 5.

So on Cable only, the nets are trading spaces, right next to each other.
On the other hand, for the small percent of people who don't use cable in San Diego (or who can't afford it), CW is moving way to the beginning at Channel 6, and Fox is moving way to the end at Channel 69.
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This also holds true for Directv as well. XETV is listed as 6 while KSWB is 69, not the cable channel 5 they try to brand themselves with. For that matter KNSD is 39 and KUSI is 51 not 7 or 9, respectively, that the stations use for cable placement.

Also does anyone know what XETV's new website is going to be? And is KSWB going to get new call letters on August 1? The WB is obviously dead and they really dont seem like they would fit with the Fox affiliation.
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Yeah, all good questions I'm curious about too, and I'll add another:
Now that the the #1 network has no problems going to the Highest numbered OTA freq in market (TV 69), will this open the door for other networks. I wonder if KUSI can go after other big fish now, like ABC or CBS? McKinnon owns a couple of ABC affiliates, and I'm sure he'd LOVE to have ABC 9/51!
Not sure how McGraw Hill would feel abou that though... Or about CBS 9/51? What would KFMB TV do? News/Talk 8? Information 8?

Don't want to speculate, but its fun to consider the possiblities, huh?
 
I think the future of local TV stations is going to rely on the "Virtual Channels" in 2 or 3 years time. Once the dust clears from the DTV conversion, I think in each market any TV station will be able to put itself on any channel it desires. I think once everything is said and done, in the San Diego market, over-the-air stations will be on the same "virtual" channels as they we're on cable systems. KSWB 69 (or whatever calls they'll become) will be on 5, XETV (The CW) will be on it's usual position on 6, KNSD will be on 7, KFMB will be at their usual position on 8, KUSI will be on 9, KGTV will be on their usual position on 10, KPBS will be on 11, XEWT (albeit Analog) will be on 12, and XHDTV (MyNetworkTV) will be on 13...

...And if you live in an area where you get LA stations in the SD market, you'll probably end up with 2 channel 5's, 2 channel 7's, and 2 channel 9s. Hopefully these manufacturers of DTV boxes will be able to have these stations distiguished from one another, by call letters.
 
Interesting idea, I know way back there was an idea floated where each network would reseve an addition channle in the 70s. Like the CW would've have been 73 for example.

So instead of typing in channel 6 (XETV) to get the CW you could type in channel 73 in any city you were in and it would automatically give you that market's local CW.

Of course I can see where this would cause some problems in places where markets overlap, but well we'll see won't we.
 
Stephen said:
I think the future of local TV stations is going to rely on the "Virtual Channels" in 2 or 3 years time. Once the dust clears from the DTV conversion, I think in each market any TV station will be able to put itself on any channel it desires. I think once everything is said and done, in the San Diego market, over-the-air stations will be on the same "virtual" channels as they we're on cable systems. KSWB 69 (or whatever calls they'll become) will be on 5, XETV (The CW) will be on it's usual position on 6, KNSD will be on 7, KFMB will be at their usual position on 8, KUSI will be on 9, KGTV will be on their usual position on 10, KPBS will be on 11, XEWT (albeit Analog) will be on 12, and XHDTV (MyNetworkTV) will be on 13...

...And if you live in an area where you get LA stations in the SD market, you'll probably end up with 2 channel 5's, 2 channel 7's, and 2 channel 9s. Hopefully these manufacturers of DTV boxes will be able to have these stations distiguished from one another, by call letters.
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No, this will not happen either.

It has been well discussed in this and other forums that by the rules set up by the FCC regarding the conversion, TV stations MUST "map" to their original OTA designation. In other words, if say channel 3's new digital frequency is 49, it will still "map" to 3, and 3.1 will be the number that viewers will punch in, with the DT frequency designation being invisible to the average viewer. Once before, I asked if what your suggesting could happen, and was told that this is the rule that the FCC came up with and is contingent upon stations not being alowed to change mapped positions once the conversion is complete.

So, most likely it will be no easier now than before, for a station to change their official dial position. They'll still have to "apply."

That doesn't mean that station won't try applying for new dial positions, but I don't see it happening.
Think of it this way: If Channel 5 in LA mapped to 5, and Channel 69 in San Diego mapped to 5, how would the box know which digital frequency to map to?
 
Garrett said:
Um, no...

XETV is OTA (Over The Air) 6 and Cable Channel 6.
KSWB is OTA 69, and Cable 5.

So on Cable only, the nets are trading spaces, right next to each other.
On the other hand, for the small percent of people who don't use cable in San Diego (or who can't afford it), CW is moving way to the beginning at Channel 6, and Fox is moving way to the end at Channel 69.
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That's until February. After that, CW will be on 6 analog (no shut off for Mexican stations) and 23 digital (mapped to 6.1), Fox will be 19 digital (mapped to 69.1). Since virtually everyone in the US will be watching in digital after February, the two stations are going to be close both over the air and on cable.
 
What you just wrote makes no difference, since people aren't going to be punching up 23 or 19 to to get either of those. They'll still have to go to 6.1 or 69.1 to get those channels over the air. The digital position will continue to be transparent to the average viewer, both before and after the Feb cut off. If you have info of otherwise, I'd like to know from where.

From an OTA standpoint, Fox and CW will continue to be at polar ends, not close.
 
Garrett said:
Think of it this way: If Channel 5 in LA mapped to 5, and Channel 69 in San Diego mapped to 5, how would the box know which digital frequency to map to?
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Actually I know of someone in Northern Deleware and depending on the tuner it does map correctly

On one TV (the one he bought in 2007) he can get WCBS from New York and WMAR from Baltimore. BOTH map to channel 2.1 and the TV has two stations channel 2.1. On the other TV, which is a different brand, neither station comes in but if he punches in the correct digital channel THEN it maps to 2.1 and only THEN does the TV have two channels identified as channel 2.1

So it does work, but it depends on the tuner. The older tuner doesn't seem to handle it well but the newer tuner has no issues with having more than one station map to a different channel
 
Ah, but the point being, there's no standard of doing it.
I did notice that my Magnavox DVR that had a DT tuner an is a couple of years old can not pick up the signals as well as my new RCA converter.

I still don't believe it will matter to anyone after Feb, I think most people don't even know about the digital frequencies being different.
 
Garrett said:
Wow, they've already added the new logo with CW, while KSWB still has CW on their site!
Interesting!
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Actually it's a much better logo. Did you notice they are still calling their news "Your station for balanced news." Kind of easing away from FOX.

What's going on with XETV's lawsuit? I guess they will try to get some money while accepting the inevitable?

Seeing as all the Tribune stations don't have their own domains but rather use a subdomain of .trb

such as http://sandiegocw.trb.com/

(or others like WGN's wgntv.trb.com/ or KTLA's ktla.trb.com/)

It should be really simple to make a new site.
 
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