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FRB Raided

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The FCC acted and shut down FRB, Brattleboro today. More at <a href=http://www.rfb.fm>RFB website</a>
 
> The FCC acted and shut down FRB, Brattleboro today. More at
> RFB website
>

Not really a surprise, RFB was clearly in violation of FCC rules. The FCC was not heavy-handed through this whole thing (they could have been). They were patient and worked through the courts.

RFB must be commended for fighting for the cause of real, meaningful community radio vs. the big corporations that have seized the opportunity to make money since deregulation. Peaceful protest is a proven method in our history. Unfortunately, more often than not, the protesters suffer for for the cause. Not unlike a soldier dying for his country.
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Phil B
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> > The FCC acted and shut down FRB, Brattleboro today. More
> at
> > RFB website
> >
>
> Not really a surprise, RFB was clearly in violation of FCC
> rules. The FCC was not heavy-handed through this whole thing
> (they could have been). They were patient and worked through
> the courts.
>
> RFB must be commended for fighting for the cause of real,
> meaningful community radio vs. the big corporations that
> have seized the opportunity to make money since
> deregulation. Peaceful protest is a proven method in our
> history. Unfortunately, more often than not, the protesters
> suffer for for the cause. Not unlike a soldier dying for his
> country.
>


You dident read.... The case locally was still pending as the site states... Unless I read wrong.. But I don't think so.... The FCC was getting tired of WAITING!, so, they basicly said the hell with this crap, shut them down.

The FCC GOT TIRED OF WAITING!... LIKE WE ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR LPAM! OR EVEN OUR OWN SPOT ON FM WITH DECENT POWER!!!!!

They diden't want to "play the legal game" because they are afraid of the outcome in favor of FRB.... I hope FRB gets them in court, and shows all America the real FCC at it's best!

Government is for the people and of the people, not for the lobbying groups!... FCC hear us roar!!!!!!!
 
Links to news stories about rfb raid

(From the "Rutland Herald")

U.S. marshals raided the downtown studios of radio free brattleboro Wednesday morning and seized its broadcasting equipment because the 10-watt community station does not have a license.

It is the second time in two years the community radio station, which broadcasts at 107.9 FM, has been forcibly shut down by the Federal Communications Com-mission.

http://rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050623/NEWS/506230438/1003&template=printart
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(From the "Brattleboro Reformer")

Federal authorities raided radio free brattleboro's office Wednesday morning, seizing the unlicensed station's equipment and turning its signal to static.

The 7 a.m. raid occurred when no one was in the downtown space, said Larry Bloch, one of the station's founders.

The action was executed by United States Marshals and the Federal Communications Commission, acting on a warrant issued by a Burlington federal judge. Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael P. Drescher requested the warrant on Tuesday.

http://www.reformer.com/cda/article/print/0,1674,102%7E8860%
257E2934641,00.html

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(From the "Vermont Guardian")

Brattleboro’s low-power community radio station was silenced early this morning when federal marshals raided radio free brattleboro’s downtown office, seizing thousands of dollars worth of broadcasting equipment and leaving a warrant on the unmanned console.

http://www.vermontguardian.com/local/0105/rfbShutdown.shtml




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"Be seeing you..."</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by CrankyYankee on 06/23/05 01:09 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Links to news stories about rfb raid

Since it was still Pending in a FEDERAL Court
Ill bet the FCC really screwed up By Going to another federal Court. Nevermind the FCC getting repremanded. Each agent involved including the marshals should Loose their jobs. That will make them think twice. There are agencys within Our Govt that think they are the govt. it has gotten totally out of hand..
Word of warning. If you plan On visiting Upstate NY region like Lake placid
Carry your birth Certificate Or passport. U.S. Customs setup a Border stop 100 Miles south of the border on US HWY 9 and the NY state throughway.
I never Left the the U.S. Never Left New york state and was stopped. Its a long story.
But it took me 18 hours to get home from an 8 hour trip This country has gone crazy. BTW all the Customs guys were American Mexicans and Looked Mexican
But try to make a comment about that and they will Lock you Up. I almost wanted to ask them For their Birth certificates or passports. Hide your legal medications, I had Perscription Medications On me for My asthma.
You try and figuer it out I cannot..
 
Re: Links to news stories about rfb raid

If you plan On visiting Upstate NY region
like Lake placid
Carry your birth Certificate Or passport. U.S. Customs
setup a Border stop 100 Miles south of the border on US HWY
9 and the NY state throughway.
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Until just recently, there was one of these in White River Junction, Vermont
on Interstate 91 until the Border Patrol decided the agents were needed elsewhere. (AZ/Mexico border?)

A fair amount of illegal aliens were found through this stop.

Funny, because, it was in the same place so long, you'd think word would have gotten out about it and folks coming south from Canada would just shun-pike-it
for one or two exits and get back on the Interstate a little ways south.
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Excuse me for being ignorant of the details of this RFB situation. I know it has been going on for a long time. I just haven't taken the time to read everything about it.

If the FCC has the power to enforce rules directly (raid, seize equipment, etc.) why was it in the courts in the first place?


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Phil B
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> Excuse me for being ignorant of the details of this RFB
> situation. I know it has been going on for a long time. I
> just haven't taken the time to read everything about it.
>
> If the FCC has the power to enforce rules directly (raid,
> seize equipment, etc.) why was it in the courts in the first
> place?
>


The way I understand.... FRB says "it's local", FCC says "shut you down" FRB attorneys took the FCC to court locally to stop "harrisments", and shutting them down.... The case (as I understand it) is still pending by the local courts.

The FCC took action before the local court ruled on the case.... Go figure... A bit mind boggeling isen't it? Seems to me the FCC disen't want to wait, Instead I suppose they had to make a statment....

If you read FRB's site, They had a question on the ballot.... FRB radio? yes-no. It was a absolute yes, and the local Government supported the station too...
 
FCC acted and played the Federal Trump card, which has been upheld in the courts. There is no such thing as "local" or "in state" broadcasting, as far as the regulations for radio or tv. Part 15 is still under federal statute. In addition, the FCC has to defend its practices in courts, as a matter of case law, which it will use in other actions.

What they were doing was illegal, and their time ran out. Ironically, their time was to be up probably by the fall, as the FCC granted a CP to another group for the frequency they were illegally using.
 
the way i see it the FCC can't have their cake and eat it too. They can't let florida and NJ pass laws against unlicensed broadcasting whether it is in their favor or not and then tell vermont they can't allow a station to broadcast w/o a license if they choose to. it is a double standard. <P ID="signature">______________
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> FCC acted and played the Federal Trump card, which has been
> upheld in the courts. There is no such thing as "local" or
> "in state" broadcasting, as far as the regulations for radio
> or tv. Part 15 is still under federal statute. In addition,
> the FCC has to defend its practices in courts, as a matter
> of case law, which it will use in other actions.
>
> What they were doing was illegal, and their time ran out.
> Ironically, their time was to be up probably by the fall, as
> the FCC granted a CP to another group for the frequency they
> were illegally using.
>
To be sure, if the court rules in favor of rfb, and there is good chance that it will (after all, this issue isn't totally over yet), it could start a potential flood of 10 watt stations all over the country, each armed with the Brattleboro decision as a precedent, thereby tieing up the FCC in local and state courts for years to come.

I think the FCC realized that and wanted to send a message both to rfb, other radio free operators and the court that as a Federal agency it holds all the cards. It can make any promises to a state court about equipment seizures and not keep them because it doesn't have to. I think the FCC also felt that since a LPFM is soon to be operational in Brattleboro, if rfb really wants to broadcast it can partner with the 'Friends of the Earth' Society (or whatever they're called) and work with them.

What I find interesting is the tremendous support rfb has gotten from Brattleboro. It tells me that the best entity to decide if an LPFM-10 is needed, is the community itself. How can a bureaucracy in D.C. know what a small town in, say, Nebraska needs. That's why the FCC gives out LPFM licenses to brand name religious groups like Calvary Chapel (or, for that matter, any group with the word "church" on the application) or gives away FM spectrum for translators without a thought as to how it will impact the community of license.

That's why I feel that the process of licensing LP-10 stations should go to local or state governments. At ten watts the area of coverage is small, just enough to fill a town or a portion of a city. But only local or state government can truly know the needs of a city or town because they are closer to it and its citizens.

db
 
> > FCC acted and played the Federal Trump card, which has
> been
> > upheld in the courts. There is no such thing as "local" or
>
> > "in state" broadcasting, as far as the regulations for
> radio
> > or tv. Part 15 is still under federal statute. In
> addition,
> > the FCC has to defend its practices in courts, as a matter
>
> > of case law, which it will use in other actions.
> >
> > What they were doing was illegal, and their time ran out.
> > Ironically, their time was to be up probably by the fall,
> as
> > the FCC granted a CP to another group for the frequency
> they
> > were illegally using.
> >
> To be sure, if the court rules in favor of rfb, and there is
> good chance that it will (after all, this issue isn't
> totally over yet), it could start a potential flood of 10
> watt stations all over the country, each armed with the
> Brattleboro decision as a precedent, thereby tieing up the
> FCC in local and state courts for years to come.
>
> I think the FCC realized that and wanted to send a message
> both to rfb, other radio free operators and the court that
> as a Federal agency it holds all the cards. It can make any
> promises to a state court about equipment seizures and not
> keep them because it doesn't have to. I think the FCC also
> felt that since a LPFM is soon to be operational in
> Brattleboro, if rfb really wants to broadcast it can partner
> with the 'Friends of the Earth' Society (or whatever they're
> called) and work with them.
>
> What I find interesting is the tremendous support rfb has
> gotten from Brattleboro. It tells me that the best entity to
> decide if an LPFM-10 is needed, is the community itself. How
> can a bureaucracy in D.C. know what a small town in, say,
> Nebraska needs. That's why the FCC gives out LPFM licenses
> to brand name religious groups like Calvary Chapel (or, for
> that matter, any group with the word "church" on the
> application) or gives away FM spectrum for translators
> without a thought as to how it will impact the community of
> license.
>
> That's why I feel that the process of licensing LP-10
> stations should go to local or state governments. At ten
> watts the area of coverage is small, just enough to fill a
> town or a portion of a city. But only local or state
> government can truly know the needs of a city or town
> because they are closer to it and its citizens.
>
> db
>


In my opinion, and this is my opinion.. Some like it, some don't.... BUT, I think if the lobbying powers stop, and return the frequencys to the citizens, either by the FCC being for the people, and of the people OR by other means of "lecensing", then we would have a truly community place within the spectrum. (lets understand licensing.... we don't want to have kaos on the air, so we all agree licensing is a must)

unfortunity, real word dictates the forever outcome of crys, screams of citizens, illagal use of the frequency's lead to seisures, conducted by the FCC. Real word FCC means, continued lobbying, corruption, and illegal actions by the FCC and other law enforcements.

Seriously, I dought it that LPAM will ever become a reality, and I dought it that LP10 watters, or "Citizen" licensing will also ever become a reality. (10 watters are supposed to happen, I bet it never does) real world, lobbying, and the corruption in federal and city govermnemts prove time and over time, will slow the process to a halt. "corruption", that is, lobbying, and swaying petitions like LPAM and LPFM. LPFM was not supposed to be the way it is now, lobbying, changed the origional LPFM petition. "regular citizens" like you and me was the aim of LPFM.

Bidding on commercial frequencies on FCC auctions are limited to the millionairs, and this is backed up by the FCC approving individuals applications for auction bidding. Thus, you have to be a millionair to even be allowed to bid. For the people and of the people?

the average citizen has no voice, no meaning what so ever to the FCC... Money, does, Lobbying does, This is a total wrong, and thats the real word.

so be it as it is, All the postings, e-mails to congressman, and e-mails to the FCC heads, will most likely end up deleted, or put on the shelf until it rots away in some file somewhere in someones computer, file cabinet, or used for the evening fire place starter at the white house.

Sad thing to say huh? But, facing reality, you can bet on it.... Sure, fighting by legal means, protesting, submitting comments to FCC questions, e-mail your congressman and such is a legal way, but, most likely will do little, if not too late.

There are many in numbers, but, the numbers must be together for changes to work. However, real word again.... getting the numbers together, sincerely, is just about 0%.. why? because no one wants to be a part of a fight that can runin your life by financial means... Family, Your Jobs, and such. Revolution by a "group", "org" or "mob" will never happen against the FCC, espically in this day with "national Security", and such.

FRB, has in my opinion, the right idea to penetrate the block wall at the FCC, at least to show them, to voice directly, there are citizens that are not happy with the "real world" Government applications, Procedures, and actions.

I tip my hat to FRB. At least we know FCC is aware, and we are angry of the current procedures, measures, actions, and operations of the FCC.


In my opinion.
Bill B
 
Re: Links to news stories about rfb raid

Scott Fybush comments on the RFB raid in <a href="http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html">
North East Radio Watch</a> and also mentions Saturday's debut of
WOOL-LP
in nearby Bellows Falls (VT)
 
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