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Listened to a bit of the weekend music and I'm not Impressed. Basically the same music they were playing as the Planet. Why couldn't Infinity at least do something creative if they are going to play music on the weekends? Hell, they could do anything from a Hurban format to Alternative to even R&B <P ID="signature">______________
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Why couldn't Infinity at least do something creative

> Listened to a bit of the weekend music and I'm not
> Impressed. Basically the same music they were playing as the
> Planet. Why couldn't Infinity at least do something creative
> if they are going to play music on the weekends? Hell, they
> could do anything from a Hurban format to Alternative to
> even R&B
>


That's Infinity: they are not a creative radio company - if they were, they would have changed the Planet years ago. Also, the Planet has always had a music director who was very un-rock, much more suited to say, KYXY. I remember when I was there they spent lots of money on some pretty good TV ads and billboards which touted the Planet as playing icons of the 60's and 70's - Led Zepplin, etc - but in fact the music the Planet actually played was mostly the Fleetwood Mac, Billy Joel type lightweight pop rock. The ads were a failure, of course, because anyone who sampled the station based on the advertising campaign would have been disappointed at what they heard because it was nothing at all like the image promoted in the ads and billboards. The frustrating thing to me was that the higher-ups were all slapping themselves on the back about their wonderful ad campaign and not a one of them had a clue about the disconnect between the ads and reality. The PD at the time went on the become a big exec with Clear Channel. Radio is full of emperors with no clothes who keep getting promoted, praised, etc. even though their portfolio is naked, barren and devoid of any real achievement. And that, my friend, is why the Planet is still plays lame ass music: they just don't know any better.
 
Re: Why couldn't Infinity at least do something creative

> > Listened to a bit of the weekend music and I'm not> > Impressed. Basically the same music they were playing as> the> > Planet. Why couldn't Infinity at least do something> creative> > if they are going to play music on the weekends? Hell,> they> > could do anything from a Hurban format to Alternative to> > even R&B> > > > > That's Infinity: they are not a creative radio company - if> they were, they would have changed the Planet years ago.> Also, the Planet has always had a music director who was> very un-rock, much more suited to say, KYXY. I remember when> I was there they spent lots of money on some pretty good TV> ads and billboards which touted the Planet as playing icons> of the 60's and 70's - Led Zepplin, etc - but in fact the> music the Planet actually played was mostly the Fleetwood> Mac, Billy Joel type lightweight pop rock. The ads were a> failure, of course, because anyone who sampled the station> based on the advertising campaign would have been> disappointed at what they heard because it was nothing at> all like the image promoted in the ads and billboards. The> frustrating thing to me was that the higher-ups were all> slapping themselves on the back about their wonderful ad> campaign and not a one of them had a clue about the> disconnect between the ads and reality. The PD at the time> went on the become a big exec with Clear Channel. Radio is> full of emperors with no clothes who keep getting promoted,> praised, etc. even though their portfolio is naked, barren> and devoid of any real achievement. And that, my friend, is> why the Planet is still plays lame ass music: they just> don't know any better.> No argument from me about Infinity. Why can't they put on something unique for the weekends like comedy instead of the same old inferior version of KGB. They could also play oldies on weekends, but Infinity's KRTH up north is a perfect example of how NOT to format an oldies station too.
 
Those looking for creativity from corporate radio...

...will be sorely disappointed.

The music formats can't be creative because they're tuned to be "mass appeal to a very well defined niche" (I had a CC cluster GM tell me that at this year's NAB!).

The talk formats can't be creative because... well, there's only so much you can talk about and so many positions to hold. You're either left or you're right...

The individual jocks can't be creative because they're just not allowed. "Don't make the listeners think; just feed 'em entertainment gossip. Don't tax 'em." (I had a PD from Nationwide tell me that once.)

It's just my own opinion, but I really think that creative radio only happens anymore in small markets, where they don't have a $24 million dollar debt service to worry about. It's amazing how free-wheeling and human you can be when cash isn't the overriding concern. I've heard rumors that some folks there still actually love radio!

- Doc
 
Re: Why couldn't Infinity at least do something creative

I've listened to 103.7 quite a bit the past two weekends and, while they do still play a fair amount of classic rock, I think they are mixing it up nicely with some harder rock tunes; something which The Planet never did with any regularity.
I actually like the music they are playing on weekends now much more than I did their format before they flipped. Bob is right on the money when he says that The Planet played way too much light rock, (something that Woody and Wilcox once commented on), and that was one of the main reasons why I didn't stay tuned in. They played Fleetwood Mac more than any other band and it was nauseating. Is this the most creative thing that Infinity could have done? No, it isn't, but I disagree that the music is the same as what the Planet played, and it sounds pretty good to me.
 
This is not without precedent ...

KLSX, when it flipped to talk, was music on the weekends as well, and they simply used the same Classic Rock library they had used during the week previously.

My guess is that whatever is playing on the weekends is what is already loaded on the hard drive, even if it wasn't getting played on KPLN.<P ID="signature">______________


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Not quite the same library

> KLSX, when it flipped to talk, was music on the weekends as
> well, and they simply used the same Classic Rock library
> they had used during the week previously.
>
KM, my aircheck tapes would prove you wrong... They played an amended version or a hybrid of AAA (much of the same tunes FM 101.9 played) and Classic Rock. I'll find the tapes and play them in my office and I'll post a list and you can decide if all the songs they played were in the old 'Classic Rock Library'.
 
Re: Not quite the same library

We all agree the Planet was lame. As far as doing music on the
weekends, it can give an FM Talker a different cume stream, often
younger especially if the music is edgy and unique. This may
be where Planet, err Free FM is falling down. I've employed
music on weekends on FM Talk,it can work well. Especially since
there is often little or nothing available in terms of talk
programming. Oh, and if you think everyone can do a talk show,
guess again. It ain't that easy.




> KLSX, when it flipped to talk, was music on the weekends
> as
> > well, and they simply used the same Classic Rock library
> > they had used during the week previously.
> >
> KM, my aircheck tapes would prove you wrong... They played
> an amended version or a hybrid of AAA (much of the same
> tunes FM 101.9 played) and Classic Rock. I'll find the
> tapes and play them in my office and I'll post a list and
> you can decide if all the songs they played were in the old
> 'Classic Rock Library'.
>
 
Re: Not quite the same library

> > KLSX, when it flipped to talk, was music on the weekends
> as
> > well, and they simply used the same Classic Rock library
> > they had used during the week previously.
> >
> KM, my aircheck tapes would prove you wrong... They played
> an amended version or a hybrid of AAA (much of the same
> tunes FM 101.9 played) and Classic Rock. I'll find the
> tapes and play them in my office and I'll post a list and
> you can decide if all the songs they played were in the old
> 'Classic Rock Library'.

Or perhaps you can prove my memory is fuzzy.

What was it, ten years ago that KLSX flipped? Heck, I can't remember what I had for breakfast yesterday ...

I thought it was Classic Rock, but maybe I was listening to Arrow. (heh)<P ID="signature">______________


</P>
 
Re: Not quite the same library

> We all agree the Planet was lame. As far as doing music on
> the
> weekends, it can give an FM Talker a different cume stream,
> often
> younger especially if the music is edgy and unique. This may
>
> be where Planet, err Free FM is falling down. I've employed
>
> music on weekends on FM Talk,it can work well. Especially
> since
> there is often little or nothing available in terms of talk
> programming. Oh, and if you think everyone can do a talk
> show,
> guess again. It ain't that easy.

Not to sound like a broken record, but if the person is paying to do a talk show, who cares? I've always thought music on FM talkers was more of an east coast thing. Maybe there's some third-string team like the Gulls that would pay to have their games on the weekend. KLSX runs parent WW1's NFL tripleheader in season. Not sure what kind of revenue that brings in.
 
Re: Hold on Super, you're partially wrong as well

KLSX up here when it played music on the weekends mostly did Alternative Rock until KSCA dumped AAA, then briefly did AAA from 97-98 but excepting those years mostly was Alternative Rock to compete with KROQ, in fact I enjoyed KLSX's "version" of Alternative better then I did KROQ's. Too bad Infinity acquired KROQ and thus move 97.1 away from Alternative.

> >
> KM, my aircheck tapes would prove you wrong... They played
> an amended version or a hybrid of AAA (much of the same
> tunes FM 101.9 played) and Classic Rock. I'll find the
> tapes and play them in my office and I'll post a list and
> you can decide if all the songs they played were in the old
> 'Classic Rock Library'.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
20 Years of POWERFUL music
Power 106 La's Party Station.

JOSH, Moderating the whole Radio-Info radio state of California and Indiana too!</P>
 
Re: Hold on Super, you're partially wrong as well

> KLSX up here when it played music on the weekends mostly did
> Alternative Rock until KSCA dumped AAA, then briefly did AAA
> from 97-98 but excepting those years mostly was Alternative
> Rock to compete with KROQ, in fact I enjoyed KLSX's
> "version" of Alternative better then I did KROQ's. Too bad
> Infinity acquired KROQ and thus move 97.1 away from
> Alternative.
>
No no Josh, I believe you are mistaken!!! Damian, Jim Ladd (yes he was on KLSX 1991-1995) et al -- Monday thru Friday they played the usual suspects of Classic Rock, the Who, the Doors, the Stones.... Alternative?????????? You MUST have them confused with some other station. I didn't listen to them on weekends back in those days, so I was not aware that they may have done Alt Rock to compete with KROQ but just on the weekends?. So to clarify are you saying that KLSX ON THE WEEKEND played Alternative Rock, do you concede that their format at least during the weekdays was Classic Rock (thus the call letters KLSX)? We had them on constantly in the office during the week and like I said Classic Rock was the game.
 
Re: Not quite the same library

There are sports stations that would gladly take
the revenue, and be a better fit than Free FM
for hockey. Brokered shows, would likely garbage
up the image. AM Talk radio can get away with this,
with FM Talk, there is a hipness factor. KLSX got
away with brokered crap, but it's the house that
Stern built. Now they must reinvent themselves.


> > We all agree the Planet was lame. As far as doing music on
>
> > the
> > weekends, it can give an FM Talker a different cume
> stream,
> > often
> > younger especially if the music is edgy and unique. This
> may
> >
> > be where Planet, err Free FM is falling down. I've
> employed
> >
> > music on weekends on FM Talk,it can work well. Especially
> > since
> > there is often little or nothing available in terms of
> talk
> > programming. Oh, and if you think everyone can do a talk
> > show,
> > guess again. It ain't that easy.
>
> Not to sound like a broken record, but if the person is
> paying to do a talk show, who cares? I've always thought
> music on FM talkers was more of an east coast thing. Maybe
> there's some third-string team like the Gulls that would pay
> to have their games on the weekend. KLSX runs parent WW1's
> NFL tripleheader in season. Not sure what kind of revenue
> that brings in.
>
 
Re: Hold on Super, you're partially wrong as well

Nope Super, this was after they flipped to Real Radio, your mention of Jim Ladd was from when they were full blown Classic Rock. They dumped that weekdays for FM Talk, said they were gonna keep it Classic Rock on the weekends, but dumped that in favor of Alternative Rock weekends as well. I know, because I was listening in 95-96 and I remember hearing Gin Blossoms, Meat Puppets, Nirvana, Bush, Weezer, Cracker, and Everclear on 97.1 on the weekends. Unfortunetly I didn't aircheck any of the weekend programming of this era(95-97) so I don't have any tapes to recall specifics, but yes when they went talk, they also went Alternative on the weekends as well(well, minus the Beatles Sunday Morning block.)


> > KLSX up here when it played music on the weekends mostly
> did
> > Alternative Rock until KSCA dumped AAA, then briefly did
> AAA
> > from 97-98 but excepting those years mostly was
> Alternative
> > Rock to compete with KROQ, in fact I enjoyed KLSX's
> > "version" of Alternative better then I did KROQ's. Too bad
>
> > Infinity acquired KROQ and thus move 97.1 away from
> > Alternative.
> >
> No no Josh, I believe you are mistaken!!! Damian, Jim Ladd
> (yes he was on KLSX 1991-1995) et al -- Monday thru Friday
> they played the usual suspects of Classic Rock, the Who, the
> Doors, the Stones.... Alternative?????????? You MUST have
> them confused with some other station. I didn't listen to
> them on weekends back in those days, so I was not aware that
> they may have done Alt Rock to compete with KROQ but just on
> the weekends?. So to clarify are you saying that KLSX ON THE
> WEEKEND played Alternative Rock, do you concede that their
> format at least during the weekdays was Classic Rock (thus
> the call letters KLSX)? We had them on constantly in the
> office during the week and like I said Classic Rock was the
> game.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
20 Years of POWERFUL music
Power 106 La's Party Station.

JOSH, Moderating the whole Radio-Info radio state of California and Indiana too!</P>
 
OK here's the truth

> Nope Super, this was after they flipped to Real Radio, your
> mention of Jim Ladd was from when they were full blown
> Classic Rock. They dumped that weekdays for FM Talk, said
> they were gonna keep it Classic Rock on the weekends, but
> dumped that in favor of Alternative Rock weekends as well. I
> know, because I was listening in 95-96 and I remember
> hearing Gin Blossoms, Meat Puppets, Nirvana, Bush, Weezer,
> Cracker, and Everclear on 97.1 on the weekends. Unfortunetly
> I didn't aircheck any of the weekend programming of this
> era(95-97) so I don't have any tapes to recall specifics,
> but yes when they went talk, they also went Alternative on
> the weekends as well(well, minus the Beatles Sunday Morning
> block.)
>
>
Josh, I think we are on the same page. Yes I know that Ladd was gone before (or as a result of the format switch) they went talk. Did you notice I even put in the dates for Jim Ladd (1991-1995)??? So obviously I know he was not there when they went talk Mon-Fri and rock music on weekends. So tell me WHEN did the format change from music (Mon-Fri) to Talk??? Never mind, thanks to "Wikipedia" here's the skinny for all of us with fuzzy memories (I guess that means just about everyone haha)
NOTE: no date or month is referenced in the switch of weekend classic rock to AAA/classic rock hybrid but IIRC it was a few months after AAA left 101.9 FM (Feb 5, 1997).
The excerpt below is from this link:

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KLSX

------------------------------------
On July 21, 1991, the station began to play the syndicated Howard Stern show, and took on the slogan "Howard Stern all morning, classic rock all day."

In August 1995, the station changed to an all-talk format on weekdays and went by the moniker "Real Radio 97.1", and had hosts such as Susan Olsen, Riki Rachtman and Kato Kaelin. On weekends they continued to play classic rock. In 1996, the station dropped the "Real Radio" name, and hired new hosts.

KLSX was owned by Greater Media until 1986, when Greater Media swapped KLSX for WMMR in Philadelphia in order to own a larger cluster in Philadelphia, while exiting Los Angeles. KLSX was sold to CBS Radio, joining radio stations KTWV and KCBS-FM.

In 1997, the station began carrying the syndicated Tom Leykis show, becoming its flagship station. By 1997 KLSX was also playing a "Triple-A" (adult album alternative) rock format blending classic rock, softer new rock and deep retro alternative rock hits on weekends only. Also in 1997, CBS Radio merged with Infinity Broadcasting.

The weekend music was gone by 1999, when the talk format was extended into the weekends.

On April 1, 2002, KLSX temporarily brought back Kato Kaelin and the "Real Radio" slogans and jingles as part of an April Fool's joke.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by SuperRadioFan on 11/09/05 09:03 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Why couldn't Infinity at least do something creative

I'm projecting that when Howard goes away, enter a format to take a chunk out of the 5.0 Alternative audience.

Either that, or Infinity has a purchase up the sleave.








> > Listened to a bit of the weekend music and I'm not
> > Impressed. Basically the same music they were playing as
> the
> > Planet. Why couldn't Infinity at least do something
> creative
> > if they are going to play music on the weekends? Hell,
> they
> > could do anything from a Hurban format to Alternative to
> > even R&B
> >
>
>
> That's Infinity: they are not a creative radio company - if
> they were, they would have changed the Planet years ago.
> Also, the Planet has always had a music director who was
> very un-rock, much more suited to say, KYXY. I remember when
> I was there they spent lots of money on some pretty good TV
> ads and billboards which touted the Planet as playing icons
> of the 60's and 70's - Led Zepplin, etc - but in fact the
> music the Planet actually played was mostly the Fleetwood
> Mac, Billy Joel type lightweight pop rock. The ads were a
> failure, of course, because anyone who sampled the station
> based on the advertising campaign would have been
> disappointed at what they heard because it was nothing at
> all like the image promoted in the ads and billboards. The
> frustrating thing to me was that the higher-ups were all
> slapping themselves on the back about their wonderful ad
> campaign and not a one of them had a clue about the
> disconnect between the ads and reality. The PD at the time
> went on the become a big exec with Clear Channel. Radio is
> full of emperors with no clothes who keep getting promoted,
> praised, etc. even though their portfolio is naked, barren
> and devoid of any real achievement. And that, my friend, is
> why the Planet is still plays lame ass music: they just
> don't know any better.
>
 
Re: Not quite the same library

I do recall a very brief period when I was in LA that this was the case.

There was absolutely a kind of classic alt. thing happening on weekends at KLSX for a short while.




> > > KLSX, when it flipped to talk, was music on the weekends
>
> > as
> > > well, and they simply used the same Classic Rock library
>
> > > they had used during the week previously.
> > >
> > KM, my aircheck tapes would prove you wrong... They played
>
> > an amended version or a hybrid of AAA (much of the same
> > tunes FM 101.9 played) and Classic Rock. I'll find the
> > tapes and play them in my office and I'll post a list and
> > you can decide if all the songs they played were in the
> old
> > 'Classic Rock Library'.
>
> Or perhaps you can prove my memory is fuzzy.
>
> What was it, ten years ago that KLSX flipped? Heck, I can't
> remember what I had for breakfast yesterday ...
>
> I thought it was Classic Rock, but maybe I was listening to
> Arrow. (heh)
>
 
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