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Free Form Rock n Roll Radio

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djpauliewog

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Jim Ladd has said many times that his show is "free form rock n roll radio"
but is it really
if u were to get on the air and claim to be free form but all u play is what u want to hear "how can it be free form" if all you play is what u the dj wants to play then u are disregarding the other listeners of the station
EXAMPLE
{ KLOS on other shows on the station play a variety of music from Iron Maiden
to aerosmith etc} but on Jim ladd show there is no Iron Maiden ..
all you hear is Led Zepplin , Creedence ,Dylan , pink floyd and the Doors and Eagles so with that said its not really free form if you keep your playlist to that genre and to what you want to hear....
Jim Ladd is starting to sound like a bitter old man
he has to remember that K-MET 94.7 was a kick ass station based on hard rock not Dylan , pink floyd
......lord have variety of genre radio.......
 
> Jim Ladd has said many times that his show is "free form
> rock n roll radio"
> but is it really
> if u were to get on the air and claim to be free form but
> all u play is what u want to hear "how can it be free form"
> if all you play is what u the dj wants to play then u are
> disregarding the other listeners of the station
> EXAMPLE
> { KLOS on other shows on the station play a variety of music
> from Iron Maiden
> to aerosmith etc} but on Jim ladd show there is no Iron
> Maiden ..
> all you hear is Led Zepplin , Creedence ,Dylan , pink floyd
> and the Doors and Eagles so with that said its not really
> free form if you keep your playlist to that genre and to
> what you want to hear....
> Jim Ladd is starting to sound like a bitter old man
> he has to remember that K-MET 94.7 was a kick ass station
> based on hard rock not Dylan , pink floyd
> ......lord have variety of genre radio.......
>

You've just figured him out? Jim Ladd is a whiner stuck in the 70's. His whole world is ripping on the "establishment " and playing Eagles records.
 
> > Jim Ladd has said many times that his show is "free form
> > rock n roll radio"
> > but is it really
> > if u were to get on the air and claim to be free form but
> > all u play is what u want to hear "how can it be free
> form"
> > if all you play is what u the dj wants to play then u are
> > disregarding the other listeners of the station
> > EXAMPLE
> > { KLOS on other shows on the station play a variety of
> music
> > from Iron Maiden
> > to aerosmith etc} but on Jim ladd show there is no Iron
> > Maiden ..
> > all you hear is Led Zepplin , Creedence ,Dylan , pink
> floyd
> > and the Doors and Eagles so with that said its not really
>
> > free form if you keep your playlist to that genre and to
> > what you want to hear....
> > Jim Ladd is starting to sound like a bitter old man
> > he has to remember that K-MET 94.7 was a kick ass station
> > based on hard rock not Dylan , pink floyd
> > ......lord have variety of genre radio.......
> >
>
> You've just figured him out? Jim Ladd is a whiner stuck in
> the 70's. His whole world is ripping on the "establishment
> " and playing Eagles records.

Here's the flaw in the logic you are both following.

The definition of "free form" is indeed "what the jock feels like playing". It has never been "what the listeners want" to the degree that you appear to be expecting.

Also, the fact that Ladd ignores parts of the KLOS playlist is also crucial to the concept of free form. If he played the same music that is on the station in other dayparts, where is the creativity?

I suspect that neither of you have a real background in the history of AOR and progressive radio. KMET was not as hard as you perceive and they did indeed play artists like Bob Dylan and Pink Floyd. If you base your argument on an emotional argument presented as fact and that argument is disproved as fact, you have lost the debate.

I grew up in Southern California and was in high school during the glory days of KMET, so I am qualified to comment and disprove the arguments of a couple of 20-somethings who weren't even alive then.<P ID="signature">______________


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> > > Jim Ladd has said many times that his show is "free form
>
> > > rock n roll radio"
> > > but is it really
> > > if u were to get on the air and claim to be free form
> but
> > > all u play is what u want to hear "how can it be free
> > form"
> > > if all you play is what u the dj wants to play then u
> are
> > > disregarding the other listeners of the station
> > > EXAMPLE
> > > { KLOS on other shows on the station play a variety of
> > music
> > > from Iron Maiden
> > > to aerosmith etc} but on Jim ladd show there is no Iron
> > > Maiden ..
> > > all you hear is Led Zepplin , Creedence ,Dylan , pink
> > floyd
> > > and the Doors and Eagles so with that said its not
> really
> >
> > > free form if you keep your playlist to that genre and to
>
> > > what you want to hear....
> > > Jim Ladd is starting to sound like a bitter old man
> > > he has to remember that K-MET 94.7 was a kick ass
> station
> > > based on hard rock not Dylan , pink floyd
> > > ......lord have variety of genre radio.......
> > >
> >
> > You've just figured him out? Jim Ladd is a whiner stuck
> in
> > the 70's. His whole world is ripping on the
> "establishment
> > " and playing Eagles records.
>
> Here's the flaw in the logic you are both following.
>
> The definition of "free form" is indeed "what the jock feels
> like playing". It has never been "what the listeners want"
> to the degree that you appear to be expecting.
>
> Also, the fact that Ladd ignores parts of the KLOS playlist
> is also crucial to the concept of free form. If he played
> the same music that is on the station in other dayparts,
> where is the creativity?
>
> I suspect that neither of you have a real background in the
> history of AOR and progressive radio. KMET was not as hard
> as you perceive and they did indeed play artists like Bob
> Dylan and Pink Floyd. If you base your argument on an
> emotional argument presented as fact and that argument is
> disproved as fact, you have lost the debate.
>
> I grew up in Southern California and was in high school
> during the glory days of KMET, so I am qualified to comment
> and disprove the arguments of a couple of 20-somethings who
> weren't even alive then.
>

Excuse me Mr. Amazing Kreskin, I am 43 years old. I also grew up here in So. Cal. Though I never worked in the industry I've listened to radio all my life. If you've bothered to read my other posts in the past you'd see I'm familiar with past stations. I regularly listened to 93 KHJ when Rick Dees was on it. Was also a regular listener to KWEST, KIQQ, KLOS during Fraizer Smith's heyday and yes even the Mighty met. So yes, I've heard Jim Ladd for years. He's not someone I just discovered yesterday. So for you to make a remark that I'm a 20 something who wasn't even alive during your high school days is extremely unprofessional. Is this what the Administrators put you in charge for? To insult posters? I don't care if you work for this site, or have 4,000 posts, don't insult me by saying I have no background. As an industry worker no, but as a radio listener yes.
 
I've never thought of Jim Ladd's show as being anything other than ... Jim Ladd's show. He plays what he feels like playing, it's always been that way. And yes, to a large extent, that's how FM used to be. Sure there was a PD and perhaps a bin full of records you were supposed to play more often than not, but otherwise it was free association. You not only listened to a station but to a jock. WNEW, Scott Muni, Jonathan Schwartz, even KMET and KLOS in the '80s, KROQ, Frazier Smith, Jedd the Fish, Freddy Snakeskin (for better or worse) had a major impact on my life.
 
> Jim Ladd has said many times that his show is "free form
> rock n roll radio"
> but is it really
> if u were to get on the air and claim to be free form but
> all u play is what u want to hear "how can it be free form"
> if all you play is what u the dj wants to play then u are
> disregarding the other listeners of the station
> EXAMPLE
> { KLOS on other shows on the station play a variety of music
> from Iron Maiden
> to aerosmith etc} but on Jim ladd show there is no Iron
> Maiden ..
> all you hear is Led Zepplin , Creedence ,Dylan , pink floyd
> and the Doors and Eagles so with that said its not really
> free form if you keep your playlist to that genre and to
> what you want to hear....
> Jim Ladd is starting to sound like a bitter old man
> he has to remember that K-MET 94.7 was a kick ass station
> based on hard rock not Dylan , pink floyd
> ......lord have variety of genre radio.......
>


Please spare us (yet again) "DJ"...
when you just set a foot inside a radio station, then have at it.
And you might want to avoid the "free form" sentence structure.
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Ha ha. I am in the business, if you get a chance LA
voiceover guru and former KHJ jock Beau Weaver wrote
a tremendous piece for LA Radio.com a few years back
about the silliness of Ladd and his ilk. Fact is Ladd
has been plowing the same ground forever, he wasn't the
first not even the best. Try Jimmy Rabbitt. Ladd can
keep playing the hip old rebel, but it doesn't wash.
Ladd hasn't been cutting edge since the 70's, the old
freeform (pre-Modern Rock days) KROQ of Dusty Rhodes,
Frazier Smith, Sandy Beach, etc. was far more free-
form than any contrived set that Ladd put together.






> > > > Jim Ladd has said many times that his show is "free
> form
> >
> > > > rock n roll radio"
> > > > but is it really
> > > > if u were to get on the air and claim to be free form
> > but
> > > > all u play is what u want to hear "how can it be free
> > > form"
> > > > if all you play is what u the dj wants to play then u
> > are
> > > > disregarding the other listeners of the station
> > > > EXAMPLE
> > > > { KLOS on other shows on the station play a variety of
>
> > > music
> > > > from Iron Maiden
> > > > to aerosmith etc} but on Jim ladd show there is no
> Iron
> > > > Maiden ..
> > > > all you hear is Led Zepplin , Creedence ,Dylan , pink
> > > floyd
> > > > and the Doors and Eagles so with that said its not
> > really
> > >
> > > > free form if you keep your playlist to that genre and
> to
> >
> > > > what you want to hear....
> > > > Jim Ladd is starting to sound like a bitter old man
> > > > he has to remember that K-MET 94.7 was a kick ass
> > station
> > > > based on hard rock not Dylan , pink floyd
> > > > ......lord have variety of genre radio.......
> > > >
> > >
> > > You've just figured him out? Jim Ladd is a whiner stuck
>
> > in
> > > the 70's. His whole world is ripping on the
> > "establishment
> > > " and playing Eagles records.
> >
> > Here's the flaw in the logic you are both following.
> >
> > The definition of "free form" is indeed "what the jock
> feels
> > like playing". It has never been "what the listeners
> want"
> > to the degree that you appear to be expecting.
> >
> > Also, the fact that Ladd ignores parts of the KLOS
> playlist
> > is also crucial to the concept of free form. If he played
>
> > the same music that is on the station in other dayparts,
> > where is the creativity?
> >
> > I suspect that neither of you have a real background in
> the
> > history of AOR and progressive radio. KMET was not as
> hard
> > as you perceive and they did indeed play artists like Bob
> > Dylan and Pink Floyd. If you base your argument on an
> > emotional argument presented as fact and that argument is
> > disproved as fact, you have lost the debate.
> >
> > I grew up in Southern California and was in high school
> > during the glory days of KMET, so I am qualified to
> comment
> > and disprove the arguments of a couple of 20-somethings
> who
> > weren't even alive then.
> >
>
> Excuse me Mr. Amazing Kreskin, I am 43 years old. I also
> grew up here in So. Cal. Though I never worked in the
> industry I've listened to radio all my life. If you've
> bothered to read my other posts in the past you'd see I'm
> familiar with past stations. I regularly listened to 93 KHJ
> when Rick Dees was on it. Was also a regular listener to
> KWEST, KIQQ, KLOS during Fraizer Smith's heyday and yes even
> the Mighty met. So yes, I've heard Jim Ladd for years.
> He's not someone I just discovered yesterday. So for you to
> make a remark that I'm a 20 something who wasn't even alive
> during your high school days is extremely unprofessional.
> Is this what the Administrators put you in charge for? To
> insult posters? I don't care if you work for this site, or
> have 4,000 posts, don't insult me by saying I have no
> background. As an industry worker no, but as a radio
> listener yes.
>
 
> Excuse me Mr. Amazing Kreskin, I am 43 years old. I also
> grew up here in So. Cal. Though I never worked in the
> industry I've listened to radio all my life. If you've
> bothered to read my other posts in the past you'd see I'm
> familiar with past stations. I regularly listened to 93 KHJ
> when Rick Dees was on it. Was also a regular listener to
> KWEST, KIQQ, KLOS during Fraizer Smith's heyday and yes even
> the Mighty met. So yes, I've heard Jim Ladd for years.
> He's not someone I just discovered yesterday. So for you to
> make a remark that I'm a 20 something who wasn't even alive
> during your high school days is extremely unprofessional.
> Is this what the Administrators put you in charge for? To
> insult posters? I don't care if you work for this site, or
> have 4,000 posts, don't insult me by saying I have no
> background. As an industry worker no, but as a radio
> listener yes.
>
Thank you NEONKNIGHT for speaking up im with you i grew up with the mighty met
too ,with metalshop on friday nights with may i say jim ladd
as far as this moderator who claims to be a radio insider not to worry
he has no clue on what he is talking about if it is not about INDIE RADIO then he considers all other post crap
im 37 and to say im a 20 something made me fall off my rocker cause it is so funny cause does not know crap
Jim ladd used to be my hero back on the KMET cause of his voice and the bad as music he used to play....now maybe cause he is older he is a far cry from what he used to be no question and i felt that not including other bands and expanding his play list is really unfair cause if he would take time and play other bands and play their deep album cuts then i think he show would be much much better.....but he refuses to play anything else unless its those bands i talked about early........
 
Right on. Ladd's show is, after all, Ladd's show. He can do what he wants. You, the listener, can listen or not. Why the whiny complaint? Don't like Ladd's choices? Twist the dial.

And, reinforcing KM's point, I'm old enough to remember when James Taylor, Carly Simon and Bread were also on KMET's playlist, right alongside Elvis Costello, the Dead, Jimi Hendrix and Tom Petty. Things were a lot more diverse than y'all seem to remember... that's why the Mighty Met ate KLOS's lunch for so long. They weren't locked into a particular sound or genre; they played whatever spoke to their audience.

- Doc

> The definition of "free form" is indeed "what the jock feels
> like playing". It has never been "what the listeners want"
> to the degree that you appear to be expecting.
>
> Also, the fact that Ladd ignores parts of the KLOS playlist
> is also crucial to the concept of free form. If he played
> the same music that is on the station in other dayparts,
> where is the creativity?
>
> I suspect that neither of you have a real background in the
> history of AOR and progressive radio. KMET was not as hard
> as you perceive and they did indeed play artists like Bob
> Dylan and Pink Floyd. If you base your argument on an
> emotional argument presented as fact and that argument is
> disproved as fact, you have lost the debate.
>
> I grew up in Southern California and was in high school
> during the glory days of KMET, so I am qualified to comment
> and disprove the arguments of a couple of 20-somethings who
> weren't even alive then.
>
 
> >
> Thank you NEONKNIGHT for speaking up im with you i grew up
> with the mighty met
> too ,with metalshop on friday nights with may i say jim ladd
>
> as far as this moderator who claims to be a radio insider
> not to worry
> he has no clue on what he is talking about if it is not
> about INDIE RADIO then he considers all other post crap
> im 37 and to say im a 20 something made me fall off my
> rocker cause it is so funny cause does not know crap
> Jim ladd used to be my hero back on the KMET cause of his
> voice and the bad as music he used to play....now maybe
> cause he is older he is a far cry from what he used to be no
> question and i felt that not including other bands and
> expanding his play list is really unfair cause if he would
> take time and play other bands and play their deep album
> cuts then i think he show would be much much better.....but
> he refuses to play anything else unless its those bands i
> talked about early........
>


Hey DJPolly...please take these and learn to use them;

( . ) a period (goes at the end of a complete sentence)

( , ) a comma (used to break up connected thoughts in a complete sentence)

( c ) a clue (please get one)
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In my opinion, none of the three of you (NeonKnight, collinsradio, djpauliewog) have any concept of AOR/Progressive as a format.

No, I'm not The Amazing Kreskin (although he's an old friend). What I am is someone who not only grew up in Southern California but was also in radio in the 1970s.

My comments about not knowing what you are talking about are based upon the content of your posts. If you know more than you are posting, I can't tell it from your posts.

And if you can't tell the difference between my posts as a moderator and my posts as a participant, then I feel very sorry for your lack of perceptive ability.<P ID="signature">______________


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> In my opinion, none of the three of you (NeonKnight,
> collinsradio, djpauliewog) have any concept of
> AOR/Progressive as a format.
>
> No, I'm not The Amazing Kreskin (although he's an old
> friend). What I am is someone who not only grew up in
> Southern California but was also in radio in the 1970s.
>
> My comments about not knowing what you are talking about are
> based upon the content of your posts. If you know more than
> you are posting, I can't tell it from your posts.
>
> And if you can't tell the difference between my posts as a
> moderator and my posts as a participant, then I feel very
> sorry for your lack of perceptive ability.
>

Great points made here.

I suggest to all to read Ladd's book "Radio Waves" sometime. It's all about his experiences from before the beginning of his career to the demise of KMET. If you can get past the vaguely changed names of people and stations, it is an excellent read. Highly recommended for anyone with even the vaguest interest in radio. It also gives insight into what the concept of free-form radio is all about. Ladd explains it perfectly.<P ID="signature">______________
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The closest thing to freeform rock today is Jonesys Jukebox on 103. Great variety, you never know whats going to happen next.

Free form is what made rock radio great. Then along came the consultants and I don't fault them so much. Freeform relys on the taste of the DJ and it's hard to find DJ's whose taste is mass appeal.
It seems to be working for Steve Jones. He plays great old music that rock radio never touched and discovers a lot of new music. It stays in the now.

It was easier to sustain a freeform FM in a major market when the station was worth $250,000.




> Right on. Ladd's show is, after all, Ladd's show. He can do
> what he wants. You, the listener, can listen or not. Why the
> whiny complaint? Don't like Ladd's choices? Twist the dial.
>
> And, reinforcing KM's point, I'm old enough to remember when
> James Taylor, Carly Simon and Bread were also on KMET's
> playlist, right alongside Elvis Costello, the Dead, Jimi
> Hendrix and Tom Petty. Things were a lot more diverse than
> y'all seem to remember... that's why the Mighty Met ate
> KLOS's lunch for so long. They weren't locked into a
> particular sound or genre; they played whatever spoke to
> their audience.
>
> - Doc
>
> > The definition of


."free form" is indeed "what the jock
> feels
> > like playing". It has never been "what the listeners
> want"
> > to the degree that you appear to be expecting.
> >
> > Also, the fact that Ladd ignores parts of the KLOS
> playlist
> > is also crucial to the concept of free form. If he played
>
> > the same music that is on the station in other dayparts,
> > where is the creativity?
> >
> > I suspect that neither of you have a real background in
> the
> > history of AOR and progressive radio. KMET was not as
> hard
> > as you perceive and they did indeed play artists like Bob
> > Dylan and Pink Floyd. If you base your argument on an
> > emotional argument presented as fact and that argument is
> > disproved as fact, you have lost the debate.
> >
> > I grew up in Southern California and was in high school
> > during the glory days of KMET, so I am qualified to
> comment
> > and disprove the arguments of a couple of 20-somethings
> who
> > weren't even alive then.
> >
>
 
> In my opinion, none of the three of you (NeonKnight,
> collinsradio, djpauliewog) have any concept of
> AOR/Progressive as a format.
>
> No, I'm not The Amazing Kreskin (although he's an old
> friend). What I am is someone who not only grew up in
> Southern California but was also in radio in the 1970s.
>
> My comments about not knowing what you are talking about are
> based upon the content of your posts. If you know more than
> you are posting, I can't tell it from your posts.
>
> And if you can't tell the difference between my posts as a
> moderator and my posts as a participant, then I feel very
> sorry for your lack of perceptive ability.
>
Wow, can't we all get along... Sometimes this site can be a little vicious.
It's one of the reasons that I don't always participate. Look, everyone has their opinions. I've often thought that Ladd can be a tad self centered, espousing the opinion that he's the only Deejay to witness Rock radio in the 70's, and although that can bother me, I still like to listen because even though he may not have been the best way back when, he is one of the few left, and gets to do a radio show a lot like they used to in the heyday of Freeform
radio. So it's fun to listen in and see what he'll play.

KM, I'm sure that you are a very knowledgeable man, but at times you do come off as a little like, oh shall we say, a know-it-all. I mean, a lot of us have been in radio for a long time, but none of us know everything, and we have our opinions the same as you do.

You tell these people that they should be able to tell when you're acting as a moderator and when you're just a participant, but since you are a moderator, it isn't always easy to know. That's the problem with written word, you can't hear the emotion and inflection that spoken word conveys. But hey, at times you're dead on with what you say. I just think that you need to remember that those who participate in this site have a wide variety of likes, loves, dislikes and experiences, and they all are different. Nobody writes everything they have knowledge about, but that doesn't make them ignorant. Still they sometimes write really stupid, mean things, but at other times they connect with one another and learn from each other, and when that happens it's a cool and wonderful thing... Wow, I can't believe the rant I'm on, and I'm sure you'll want to come back and shred me in another post, but it's just how I feel.
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> You tell these people that they should be able to tell when
> you're acting as a moderator and when you're just a
> participant, but since you are a moderator, it isn't always
> easy to know.

Sure it is. When I am speaking as a moderator, I'm not commenting on the topic at hand but about posters' behavior and the rules of this board. Anytime I'm directly responding to comments on the thread topic by posters, it's obvious that I'm not in moderator mode.

Therefore, my remarks about Ladd and my remarks about the three posters who don't, in my opinion, have a clue about AOR, are obviously not moderator remarks, so being told "you shouldn't say that, you're a moderator" is out of line.

But this post is obviously one in which I am speaking as a moderator, because my remarks are not about the thread itself.

The problem I have is that, when someone disagrees with my expressing my opinion -- and my remarks about the three posters was clearly labeled as such -- the easiest argument (and also the least appropriate) is to tell me that I am not allowed to express that opinion because I am also a moderator. I'd much rather read someone's opinion as to why my perception of the posters is wrong, such as the portion of your post where you did exactly that.

To those who still have a problem after reading this, let me make it clear: I'm not going to curtail my opinions just because I am also a moderator. Learn to tell the difference, okay?<P ID="signature">______________


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I'm not questioning your right to comment on anything.
I find it hilarious that I have no idea what free form
radio is, mainly because it doesn't include Ladd!.
Look he was a decent jock, but as others have commented his
self-centered,narrow view of rock radio lessened any
credibility. So did his altering of virtually every name in
his book Radio Waves. He spent an hour once on KABC
saying how bad Boss Radio was, and how he always hated
that kind of music. That sealed it, coming from a guy
who could have never cut it at KHJ, it just seemed small
and petty. Sorry but guys like Humble Harve and Dave
Diammond were introducing bands like Love, Canned Heat,
Cream, Doors, and others way before Ladd even cued
up a record.

He never got it, the best free-form jocks of the 60's
& 70's were all Top 40 guys: Tom Donahue, B Mitchell
Reed,& Jimmy Rabbitt. They had chops that Ladd could
only dream about. Its hard to be considered free-form
or cutting edge when your seguing Doors, Eagles, and
Pink Floyd cuts. His old political rhetoric is tired
as well. If you want at least a version of free form
I suggest Indy 103/1.










> > You tell these people that they should be able to tell
> when
> > you're acting as a moderator and when you're just a
> > participant, but since you are a moderator, it isn't
> always
> > easy to know.
>
> Sure it is. When I am speaking as a moderator, I'm not
> commenting on the topic at hand but about posters' behavior
> and the rules of this board. Anytime I'm directly
> responding to comments on the thread topic by posters, it's
> obvious that I'm not in moderator mode.
>
> Therefore, my remarks about Ladd and my remarks about the
> three posters who don't, in my opinion, have a clue about
> AOR, are obviously not moderator remarks, so being told "you
> shouldn't say that, you're a moderator" is out of line.
>
> But this post is obviously one in which I am speaking as a
> moderator, because my remarks are not about the thread
> itself.
>
> The problem I have is that, when someone disagrees with my
> expressing my opinion -- and my remarks about the three
> posters was clearly labeled as such -- the easiest argument
> (and also the least appropriate) is to tell me that I am not
> allowed to express that opinion because I am also a
> moderator. I'd much rather read someone's opinion as to why
> my perception of the posters is wrong, such as the portion
> of your post where you did exactly that.
>
> To those who still have a problem after reading this, let me
> make it clear: I'm not going to curtail my opinions just
> because I am also a moderator. Learn to tell the
> difference, okay?
>
 
Jeesh.....

> To those who still have a problem after reading this, let me
> make it clear: I'm not going to curtail my opinions just
> because I am also a moderator. Learn to tell the
> difference, okay?

Moderator opinions are very welcome. Sharing of thoughts is not a
competitive sport and the referees here should be welcome to contribute.

This doesn't make anyone else's opinions any more wrong or right. Opinions
are like ***holes; everybody has one, moderators too!
 
Points of clarification.

I have to take issue with a couple of statements. (Imagine that!)

> That sealed it, coming from a guy
> who could have never cut it at KHJ,

Huh? Let's reverse that a bit and see if it still works:

"Bobby Ocean could never have cut it at KSAN!"

Nope, doesn't work. You've compared apples to oranges; the analogy is incorrect.


> guys like Humble Harve and Dave
> Diammond were introducing bands like Love, Canned Heat,
> Cream, Doors, and others way before Ladd even cued
> up a record.

Do you mean to say that these great jocks were responsible for breaking these acts? Sorry, that's not right. Let me remind you that these bands came on the scene with Top 40 hits before FM radio really even noticed them. Love and the Doors hit before FM underground stations even existed! Cream was a supergroup whose first single was an instant AM radio hit. So again, your analogy breaks down.

> He never got it, the best free-form jocks of the 60's
> & 70's were all Top 40 guys: Tom Donahue, B Mitchell
> Reed,& Jimmy Rabbitt.

Of course. That's because FM radio had only one talent pool to draw from: AM radio. And he did get it - Ladd became one of LA's best-known jocks because he related to the listener, both with words and music. "Innerviews" was a great program because he related to the artists too and brought the performer onto the same wavelength as the music fan.

If you think Ladd's schtick has grown a little old, you're entirely entitled to that opinion, and maybe it's true. But don't go slamming his work with historical revisionism.

- Doc
 
Re: Points of clarification.

I think you missed the point Doc.

KHJ was playing Love, Cream, The Who, The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane etc. long before Jim Ladd came along. I think the point was that Ladd can be pompous at times about his importance in rock history.

To put down Boss Radio just makes Ladd sound like an idiot. KHJ played all kinds of music from the Ohio Express to Canned Heat to Frank Sinatra to Roger Miller to Aretha Franklin. Every shade of 60s pop music could be heard on KHJ. To say you never liked "that kind of music" just shows Ladd doesn't understand rock music as much as he might think.

However, I will say that one can't really argue with success and Jim Ladd has been on the radio in market #2 pretty much continuously for 36 years. I admire him for that fact alone and he certainly deserves our respect.

--Brian Craig
 
KMR, you are not putting all of your cards on the table. Long-time readers of this board know you are one of Ladd's buddies and will stick up for him whenever he starts taking some on this board.

These guys were not talking about the AOR/Progressive format - they were talking about free form radio. News flash: Free form radio does not just take the form of "classic rock". Based on a pure variety of music, one could argue that the Mighty 690 of the early 80's was more "free form" with variety than Ladd's current mix of Doors, Floyd, Eagles, Petty, Zep and more Doors even though they had a very tight playlist as far as an on air library.

I like listening to Ladd and appreciate that he fights for what most of us think is "right" with radio. On the other hand he can be an obnoxious ass sometimes with his arrogant attitude to music and politics he doesn't like.


> In my opinion, none of the three of you (NeonKnight,
> collinsradio, djpauliewog) have any concept of
> AOR/Progressive as a format.
>
> No, I'm not The Amazing Kreskin (although he's an old
> friend). What I am is someone who not only grew up in
> Southern California but was also in radio in the 1970s.
>
> My comments about not knowing what you are talking about are
> based upon the content of your posts. If you know more than
> you are posting, I can't tell it from your posts.
>
> And if you can't tell the difference between my posts as a
> moderator and my posts as a participant, then I feel very
> sorry for your lack of perceptive ability.
>
 
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