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"Frost/Nixon"

Have any of you seen "Frost/Nixon"? While I
remember seeing the actual series of interviews,
and think this movie is worthy of an Academy
Award, I did have a few problems with it.

Frank Langella nailed Nixon. He doesn't look much
like him, but he captured Nixon's ill-at-ease demeanor
(not as well as the late Lane Smith, but if Langella
doesn't get an Oscar there is no justice). However,
Michael Sheen's David Frost didn't remind me much of
the David Frost I remember from the talk-show days;
the real David Frost was almost too enthusiastic and
so in-your-face that I often wished some guest would
tell him to move back. In the movie, he has to be cajoled
by his staff to get aggressive with Nixon. The real pleasure
is in watching Nixon's cat-and-mouse game as he tries to
keep Frost off balance (and probably avoid having to answer
questions about Watergate). The movie also seems to spend
too much time on Frost and a girlfriend, Caroline Cushing, whom
he met on a plane by simply going up and starting a conversation
with her.

But despite what I perceive are faults, I do recommend this movie,
both for old Watergate junkies (or people who are too young to
remember Watergate), no matter what your opinion of Nixon; and,
since this a TV board, a look at the perils and pitfalls of putting together
a television show.

One thing on but off-topic: I think Frost's syndicated show in the
early '70s had two strikes against it: one, like Dick Cavett he was
perceived as an intellectual (a perception that could be embellished by
the fact that Cavett went to Yale and Frost, to Cambridge); two, he
is English and a radical departure from Johnny Mike, and Merv. In fact,
he had replaced Merv when the latter moved from syndication to CBS
in 1969; when Merv went back into syndication in 1972, he won back
a number of Frost's stations and pretty much sealed Frost's fate;
except for the Nixon interviews, he hasn't really had much impact on
U.S. television since (a couple of short-lived shows, as I recall, but
that's about it).
 
I've yet to see the film (the previews look great!), but from what I understand, it also (as so many movies based on actual events do) plays fast and loose with chronology and facts for dramatic impact. The confrontation over Watergate is depicted as being in the final interview, when it actually came earlier; Nixon in reality knew damn well the subject would be brought up, etc. This has always been a bit of a peeve to me, in everything from movies like "Apollo 13" to TV biopics like the one on the Three Stooges. Fortunately, if the film is really good, I can subsume my annoyance -- I understand that real-life events don't always cooperate in following the kind of dramatic narrative structure that Hollywood tradition dictates. ;)
 
Very true, and over my students' protests I never
show docudramas for the very reason that
I would have to point out the errors made for dramatic
effect.

I would recommend Frost's book about the movie,
also titled "Frost/Nixon," in which he discusses some
of the liberties taken by the movie.
 
Johnny, Mike and Merv were almost exclusively entertainment.

Cavett and Frost were much more seriously focused.
 
From what I've seen and heard in the trailers, one wonders if they'd've been better off getting Dan Aykroyd to play Nixon. Because the way Nixon was portrayed (and Langella's vocal mannerisms as Nixon) sounded like something out of a bad Saturday Night Live skit.
 
wbhist said:
From what I've seen and heard in the trailers, one wonders if they'd've been better off getting Dan Aykroyd to play Nixon. Because the way Nixon was portrayed (and Langella's vocal mannerisms as Nixon) sounded like something out of a bad Saturday Night Live skit.

He appears to me as being the comic relief between the dancers in a low rent Vega strip joint.
 
wbhist said:
From what I've seen and heard in the trailers, one wonders if they'd've been better off getting Dan Aykroyd to play Nixon. Because the way Nixon was portrayed (and Langella's vocal mannerisms as Nixon) sounded like something out of a bad Saturday Night Live skit.

The problem is - though Aykroyd has done a few dramatic roles (supporting only), he is thought of as being a comic actor. No dramatic movie wants an actor to do anything that would appear to be an "impression," and the actors doing these kinds of roles are always careful to point out that they did not attempt an impression, rather that they were trying to "capture the essence" of the character.

The best voice impression of Nixon I can remember was Harry Shearer (The Simpsons) in his Credibility Gap days on LA radio - when Nixon was still President.

The most devastating visual impression was by David Frye (far better than Rich Little) who would somehow squish his head down into his neck while elongating his mouth, producing fake jowls. It looked painful...I always figured Frye had to lie down and take 2 Excedrin after each performance.
 
The best impression I ever saw David Frye do was
George Wallace. I've never seen anyone else come
close to getting the Alabama governor right. He also
did a credible William F. Buckley, Jr.

I know it's hard to buy into Frank Langella as Nixon
at first sight, because he doesn't look like him, but
IMO, he gets more like him the more he gets into the
character (he sounds more like him as the movie goes
along). For a straight portrayal of Nixon (as opposed
to an "SNL" skit), I wish Lane Smith was still with us.

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone think the real Nixon's
mannerisms resembled Ed Sullivan's?
 
I have to agree with others that Lane Smith had Nixon down pat. He would have been perfect to play Nixon in this movie. Unfortunately Lane is no longer with us. For those not familar with Lane Smith, he played Perry White in the TV show " Lois & Clark; The New Adventures of Superman, which aired on ABC during the early to mid 1990s.
As for going to see the movie myself, I've been so disappointed lately with what movies I have seen, I rather wait for this flick to be on pay-per-view. Hey $3.50 is a hell of a lot cheaper than paying for two tickets at a movie theatre. Besides if the movie sucks, I can always change the TV channel.
 
bpatrick said:
Slightly off-topic, but does anyone think the real Nixon's mannerisms resembled Ed Sullivan's?

Yes. And that raises another question...

Why would anyone who actually lived through Nixon's terms want to see a movie about him? Does someone believe there is actually anything positive about him that hasn't been raised already? Most of us already know the worst.
 
landtuna said:
bpatrick said:
Slightly off-topic, but does anyone think the real Nixon's mannerisms resembled Ed Sullivan's?

Yes. And that raises another question...

Why would anyone who actually lived through Nixon's terms want to see a movie about him? Does someone believe there is actually anything positive about him that hasn't been raised already? Most of us already know the worst.

Well, there was a whole cottage industry spawned by the Senate Watergate hearings - people watched for hours every day, and hung on every word. There were probably Sam Ervin fan clubs I was one of people who watched - I had a night job at the time. Perhaps some of those people are anxious to re-live old times by watching Frost/Nixon. I no longer care enough to see it in the theatre - but I probably care enough to put it in my NetFlix queue when the time comes.
 
I guess my standards have changed since Nixon. He almost seems childish in his stupidity compared to the most recent ex-presidents.

I remember clearly watching the election results in 1968 and thinking "we're in for it now". I wasn't disappointed.
 
bpatrick said:
One thing on but off-topic: I think Frost's syndicated show in the
early '70s had two strikes against it: one, like Dick Cavett he was
perceived as an intellectual (a perception that could be embellished by
the fact that Cavett went to Yale and Frost, to Cambridge); two, he
is English and a radical departure from Johnny Mike, and Merv. In fact,
he had replaced Merv when the latter moved from syndication to CBS
in 1969; when Merv went back into syndication in 1972, he won back
a number of Frost's stations and pretty much sealed Frost's fate;
except for the Nixon interviews, he hasn't really had much impact on
U.S. television since (a couple of short-lived shows, as I recall, but
that's about it).

...actually, as I recall, Frost's U.S. show was distributed by Westinghouse and aired on Metromedia's stations in New York, Washington, Minneapolis and Los Angeles, all markets where Westinghouse didn't own TV stations. (Confirmation or correction requested on that point.) When CBS cancelled Griffin, it was Metromedia that developed the new Griffin show and put it on their stations, knocking Frost off some of his largest affiliates. At that point, Westinghouse didn't see the use in continuing to compete, and simply shifted Mike Douglas into Frost's afternoon slot (Douglas was primarily a morning show in markets that got Frost and Griffin's Westinghouse shows as well)...the last things in the States that I've seen Frost on were the first few days of Inside Edition (I think Bill O'Reilly was brought in as an emergency replacement, the ratings were so terrible) and a PBS pilot called The Strategic Comedy Initiative that tried to resurrect the basic concept behind That Was The Week That Was, even going so far as to also feature Mary Walsh from the CBC's This Hour Has 22 Minutes...
 
landtuna said:
I guess my standards have changed since Nixon. He almost seems childish in his stupidity compared to the most recent ex-presidents.

I remember clearly watching the election results in 1968 and thinking "we're in for it now". I wasn't disappointed.

I know what you mean, Landtuna. I guess I shouldn't beat up "W" now that he's in the rear view mirror, but Nixon - crook or not, was a much better President.

In 2004, Morning Editionon NPR played a lot of old Tricky Dick sound bites for a few weeks to celebrate the show's 30th anniversary. They went on the air in 74 - the year of the Watergate Hearings and Nixon's resignation. When I heard those old news stories after all those years, I remember thinking how intelligent he sounded, and how articulate he was compared to Bush,
 
In the '60s Merv's show was indeed syndicated by
Westinghouse, but some Metromedia stations (such
as New York and Washington) aired him in prime time
(8:30 PM). When he went to CBS, Group W gave the
show to Frost, who kept Griffin's Metromedia stations.
Then when Merv returned to syndication, it is correct
that Metromedia handled the syndication and that he
got back the Metromedia stations that had run him in
the '60s. But there were stations in other groups (I
remember WBRC Birmingham) that dropped Frost in
favor of Merv (however, as an ABC affiliate at the time,
they carried Cavett on a one-hour delay).

As a rule, I usually found Mike in the morning and
Merv in the afternoon (although I know that Mike
ran in the afternoon in New York and Atlanta). A few stations
on the West Coast ran Merv after the news, and rather
successfully, but WXIA/11 Alive in Atlanta bombed with
Merv at 6:30 PM.

Anyway, it took Frost a year to line up enough stations
to make a profit, and I don't think he ever had more than
100. Despite this, he admitted that he enjoyed doing his
show (Cavett did not), something that doesn't come across
in the movie.
 
Lkeller said:
landtuna said:
I guess my standards have changed since Nixon. He almost seems childish in his stupidity compared to the most recent ex-presidents.

I remember clearly watching the election results in 1968 and thinking "we're in for it now". I wasn't disappointed.

I know what you mean, Landtuna. I guess I shouldn't beat up "W" now that he's in the rear view mirror, but Nixon - crook or not, was a much better President.

In 2004, Morning Editionon NPR played a lot of old Tricky Dick sound bites for a few weeks to celebrate the show's 30th anniversary. They went on the air in 74 - the year of the Watergate Hearings and Nixon's resignation. When I heard those old news stories after all those years, I remember thinking how intelligent he sounded, and how articulate he was compared to Bush,

No comparison. Nixon was very intelligent, and his knowledge of history and foreign policy was far superior to that of any modern President. Unfortunately, that intellect came wrapped in a package including paranoia, a bipolar mix of egotism and self-loathing, vindictiveness, and a host of other poor qualities. Bush had many of the same bad qualities with none of the intellect. I never thought in my lifetime there would be a President who made me nostalgic for Tricky Dick. ::)
 
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