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FSR is bad

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youjelly

I work nights at a hospital. So I work 3 nights a week and I have 4 days off. My wife works during the day, so my days off I spend alot of time listening to the radio.

Zack and Jack are terrible. They really just seem like a boring locale talk show. When I first heard them, I thought to myself they are going to put these guys on national airwaves? Its not a good show. They need to stay on weekends and get someone with actual talent, knowledge and entertainment values in there. These guys flat out dont have any of that, thank god I have sirus I can listen to the Stern show until they are off the air.

DP is legit although im not sure how closely he is affiliated with them, he does come on my FSN station.

Rome is not affiliated but he comes on my fox sports station. He has the best sports talk show hands down imo.

The loose cannons? Hate it.. Pat O'Brien sits there and just brags about himself and all the rich and famous people he knows. Vic the brick sits there and rambles utter nonsense the entire show. I almost feel bad for Steve Hartman having to sit inbetween these two morons.

Petros and Money is the worst show on all sports talk radio show networks. I live in Phoenix, I drove through LA and to SF to visit my wifes family last summer. Needless to say I got to listen to alot of sports radio while she was sleeping. It was really my first time getting to hear this abomination of a show in full, since we have a really good locale show here in Phoenix that takes up most of the Petros and Money show(except the last half hour). Words can not describe how awful this show is. Neither seem to know anything about sports, outside of USC football. Its not even an objective opinion about USC football either. The show involved alot of rambling, alot of very annoying yelling and alot of USC football stuff discussing the Oline and things like that, along with some LA sports talk. Basically something you would hear on a weekend locale college sports show. Except FSR gave these guys a full time show.

Brunos show is actually entertaining and enjoyable. His style fits the morning show better though. They should strip Zack and Jack of their morning show(because they are terrible and boring as stated above) and give Bruno back the morning show where he belongs and was robbed of back like 5 or 6 years ago.

JT the brick.. I remember listening to him as a kid when he first got started on the air and thinking he is just a less entertaing Arnie Spanier clone. I still think that, and he just comes off as phoney with his "passion" at times. Although nowdays he is alittle more tolarable than he used to be. Im still not a big fan, but his show is good enough to stay in this spot or move him up to his old spot if they made the smart move and put Bruno back on in the mornings. Tom Looney is an arrogant homer prick. But adds alittle something to the show that was missing before he was on. Alittle flair I guess.

Ben Maller is more entertainment, his show is actually really good... In moderation. I think it would get stale like it did before if he had an everyday gig.

Honestly the best person in that late night spot FSR has ever had was Jorge Sedano with Marcell and Karen Kay. Even though Sedona is a Miami honk it was refreshing to hear an eastcoast opinion on sports over the obnoxious LA and LA only homerism from fox sports.

Fox sports needs to completely overhall the lineup, get some new talent in, not LA talent... Not named Zack and Jack and retool the programing because right now there are some shows that should not even be on the air on a regular basis in locale markets.

With all that said, it is still better than listening to ESPN radio.
 
What they need to do is
7am-10am Put Chris Moore on both Saturdays and Sundays
10am-1pm Chris Plank Saturday and Sunday
1pm-4pm Ben Maller Saturday and Sunday
4pm-8pm Sean Farnham Sarurday and Sundays
8pm-11pm Mike North Saturday and Sundays
11pm-2am Put on John Fricke for both Saturday and Sunday
2am-6am Ben Maller Saturday and Sunday.
They should do like this.

I agree, it's better than ESPN.
I perfer both this and Sporting News Radio
 
youjelly said:
I work nights at a hospital. So I work 3 nights a week and I have 4 days off. My wife works during the day, so my days off I spend alot of time listening to the radio.

Zack and Jack are terrible. They really just seem like a boring locale talk show. When I first heard them, I thought to myself they are going to put these guys on national airwaves? Its not a good show. They need to stay on weekends and get someone with actual talent, knowledge and entertainment values in there. These guys flat out dont have any of that, thank god I have sirus I can listen to the Stern show until they are off the air.

DP is legit although im not sure how closely he is affiliated with them, he does come on my FSN station.

Rome is not affiliated but he comes on my fox sports station. He has the best sports talk show hands down imo.

The loose cannons? Hate it.. Pat O'Brien sits there and just brags about himself and all the rich and famous people he knows. Vic the brick sits there and rambles utter nonsense the entire show. I almost feel bad for Steve Hartman having to sit inbetween these two morons.

Petros and Money is the worst show on all sports talk radio show networks. I live in Phoenix, I drove through LA and to SF to visit my wifes family last summer. Needless to say I got to listen to alot of sports radio while she was sleeping. It was really my first time getting to hear this abomination of a show in full, since we have a really good locale show here in Phoenix that takes up most of the Petros and Money show(except the last half hour). Words can not describe how awful this show is. Neither seem to know anything about sports, outside of USC football. Its not even an objective opinion about USC football either. The show involved alot of rambling, alot of very annoying yelling and alot of USC football stuff discussing the Oline and things like that, along with some LA sports talk. Basically something you would hear on a weekend locale college sports show. Except FSR gave these guys a full time show.

Brunos show is actually entertaining and enjoyable. His style fits the morning show better though. They should strip Zack and Jack of their morning show(because they are terrible and boring as stated above) and give Bruno back the morning show where he belongs and was robbed of back like 5 or 6 years ago.

JT the brick.. I remember listening to him as a kid when he first got started on the air and thinking he is just a less entertaing Arnie Spanier clone. I still think that, and he just comes off as phoney with his "passion" at times. Although nowdays he is alittle more tolarable than he used to be. Im still not a big fan, but his show is good enough to stay in this spot or move him up to his old spot if they made the smart move and put Bruno back on in the mornings. Tom Looney is an arrogant homer prick. But adds alittle something to the show that was missing before he was on. Alittle flair I guess.

Ben Maller is more entertainment, his show is actually really good... In moderation. I think it would get stale like it did before if he had an everyday gig.

Honestly the best person in that late night spot FSR has ever had was Jorge Sedano with Marcell and Karen Kay. Even though Sedona is a Miami honk it was refreshing to hear an eastcoast opinion on sports over the obnoxious LA and LA only homerism from fox sports.

Fox sports needs to completely overhall the lineup, get some new talent in, not LA talent... Not named Zack and Jack and retool the programing because right now there are some shows that should not even be on the air on a regular basis in locale markets.

With all that said, it is still better than listening to ESPN radio.
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Probably the best assessment of "SuperStation KLAC" I have read in a long while. And that's for good reason, because KLAC is FSR... and FSR is KLAC.

For the record, neither Dan Patrick nor Tony Bruno are employed by FSR, but by DirecTV Sports instead. Bruno's show ended up being branded as a FSR program but DP's wasn't, even though the network lists both of them as "FSR offerings."

Until Petros Papadakis, Matt Smith and Victor Jacobs all get the boot, the only thing FSR has going for themselves is the Premiere/Clear Channel ownership that guarentees them clearance on almost every sports radio station CC owns. In fact, that's the ONLY reason why SNR will never be able to ascend to #2.
 
LAUROJRM said:
What they need to do is
7am-10am Put Chris Moore on both Saturdays and Sundays
10am-1pm Chris Plank Saturday and Sunday
1pm-4pm Ben Maller Saturday and Sunday
4pm-8pm Sean Farnham Sarurday and Sundays
8pm-11pm Mike North Saturday and Sundays
11pm-2am Put on John Fricke for both Saturday and Sunday
2am-6am Ben Maller Saturday and Sunday.
They should do like this.
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You've got to be kidding me.

Farnham was screwed over twice by the current management in 2009 - first by being exiled from afternoons over to the weekends, and then as host of a "filler" program for FSR stations that couldn't get Bruno immediately. There's no way in hell he will ever return as long as Don Martin keeps collecting a paycheck.

I like Ben, but to have him do four separate shows with a nine-hour break is simply laughable. His current placement (overnights Sat-Sun; afternoons Sun) is just fine.

Chris Moore, Chris Plank and John Fricke will likely never see regular weekend duty on FSR ever again. Instead, people like Mike North (Chicago), Andy Furman (Cincinnati) and Mark "Munch" Bishop (Cleveland) will be trotted out to appease the criticism that FSR is the national feed of KLAC (a bad sports station), out of Los Angeles (a bad sports city).

LAUROJRM said:
I agree, it's better than ESPN.
I perfer both this and Sporting News Radio
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To say that FSR is better than ESPN is not a complement to FSR... but rather a severe indictment against ESPN - and the sorry sports radio landscape overall.

No way would I prefer FSR.
 
These Sports Networks are all brutal and just filler programs for stations who don't have the guts, payroll or ability to hire quality local programming.

The monster sports stations either use limited network fodder or non-at-all. ESPN force feeds their garbage to O & O's and other markets where clueless suits are convinced the brand name is all that matters. There isn't one show on ESPN radio that would run in a great sports town unless ESPN either owns the station or pays the station to brand it ESPN - which is a lot cheaper than buying stations in big markets.

Fox Sports Radio is a total toilet. When they started in 2000, they had a chance to do damage to ESPN, but Clear Channel stations weren't "forced" to run the programming, so great talents like Bruno had some traction and then left after 4 years when guys like Don Martin thought hacks like Van Earl Wright and Chris Myers were going to get ratings. Once CC went total cheap and blew up every owned sports stick, the cheapest and easiest way to provide "network" programming to affiliates was to throw KLAC's line-up on the air as "national" programming. Martin forced to try to get ratings by keeping PMS a So-Cal based show knowing the smaller markets had no choice or option because it would require hiring local prople.

Sporting News is only alive with the scraps of which-ever stations aren't legally committed to Fox or ESPN. Boasting hundreds of podunk affiliates may make enough money to stay alive, but it's hardly a legitimate operation when you have to operate out of Houston Texas.

Bottom line...talent doesn't matter. FSR benefits by putting Dan Patrick, Rome and Bruno in the "line-up" to b-s clients trying to sell against the mediocre ESPN line-up. Mike and Mike only succeed because they've been on 10-years and are forced on stations. Cowherd is only popular in college towns, so who is their "major" talent?

We all have favorites and that how I listen to radio. Trying to pit ESPN versus Fox or even the Sporting News cronies is a moot argument. It's obvious FSR has no clue since they have been looking for a legit morning show since Bruno left. They lucked into Dan Patrick, who lucked into his time slot when Sporting News screwed Bruno over to help sell that toilet. Patrick is a lot like Rome. Great marketing, promotion and a support staff which carries him, alone with Directv. He's no morning talent, but once you convince people you are "powerful", like Rome, people buy the bs.

I think radio and especially sports talk is at an all-time-low when it comes to quality, but with most stations unable to sell ads or talent, network programming has afforded marginal talents a chance to call themselves "syndicated".
 
thesportswhisperer said:
These Sports Networks are all brutal and just filler programs for stations who don't have the guts, payroll or ability to hire quality local programming.

The monster sports stations either use limited network fodder or non-at-all. ESPN force feeds their garbage to O & O's and other markets where clueless suits are convinced the brand name is all that matters. There isn't one show on ESPN radio that would run in a great sports town unless ESPN either owns the station or pays the station to brand it ESPN - which is a lot cheaper than buying stations in big markets.

Fox Sports Radio is a total toilet. When they started in 2000, they had a chance to do damage to ESPN, but Clear Channel stations weren't "forced" to run the programming, so great talents like Bruno had some traction and then left after 4 years when guys like Don Martin thought hacks like Van Earl Wright and Chris Myers were going to get ratings. Once CC went total cheap and blew up every owned sports stick, the cheapest and easiest way to provide "network" programming to affiliates was to throw KLAC's line-up on the air as "national" programming. Martin forced to try to get ratings by keeping PMS a So-Cal based show knowing the smaller markets had no choice or option because it would require hiring local prople.

Sporting News is only alive with the scraps of which-ever stations aren't legally committed to Fox or ESPN. Boasting hundreds of podunk affiliates may make enough money to stay alive, but it's hardly a legitimate operation when you have to operate out of Houston Texas.

Bottom line...talent doesn't matter. FSR benefits by putting Dan Patrick, Rome and Bruno in the "line-up" to b-s clients trying to sell against the mediocre ESPN line-up. Mike and Mike only succeed because they've been on 10-years and are forced on stations. Cowherd is only popular in college towns, so who is their "major" talent?

We all have favorites and that how I listen to radio. Trying to pit ESPN versus Fox or even the Sporting News cronies is a moot argument. It's obvious FSR has no clue since they have been looking for a legit morning show since Bruno left. They lucked into Dan Patrick, who lucked into his time slot when Sporting News screwed Bruno over to help sell that toilet. Patrick is a lot like Rome. Great marketing, promotion and a support staff which carries him, alone with Directv. He's no morning talent, but once you convince people you are "powerful", like Rome, people buy the bs.

I think radio and especially sports talk is at an all-time-low when it comes to quality, but with most stations unable to sell ads or talent, network programming has afforded marginal talents a chance to call themselves "syndicated".
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Well put.

A caveat must be made, however... it was Andrew Ashwood that presided over FSR between 2003 until his 2008 passing, and was responsible for Bruno's dismissal (and the idiotic hiring of Van Earl Wright).

Don Martin is a classic case of 'failing upward,' albeit not as blatant as Jeff Zucker. He presided over KLAC prior to 2009, basically getting the job because his wife also happens to be the PD for KLAC's sister talk station KFI. Then, Martin was elevated to FSR's PD position because it vacant due to Ashwood's death a few month earlier. Not to forget that CC virtually gutted every single sports station in their portfolio - AND FSR itself, leading to the network's forced merger into KLAC. Ergo, "SuperStation KLAC."

As a result, the sports radio landscape has never been drearier. Neither FSR or SNR should be around, let alone in their languished, dreadful selves today. But it the $$$ that sports radio brings in that keeps them alive like an IV patch feeding into a brain-dead patient in a trauma center.

The format can be an automatic ATM for stations and a network... even if it's executed poorly. As we see time and time again. Because it has the lowest-common-denominator appeal, the level of programming is dumbed down to utter dearths of creativity and imagination, going instead for "guy talk" (which Martin tried to do multiple times while at KLAC). Ergo, we get people like Cowherd, Looney, Victor Jacobs and Petros Papadakis leading the pack of idiot hacks pleasing an idiot base that doesn't know good radio. The dumb leading the dumb.

ESPN Radio is only the leader because:

  • They were established first...*
  • They had O&Os established before FSR launched
  • They always has been and continues to be directly tied into ESPN itself, and is not a "name-only" branding like Fox Sports or Sporting News
  • They had the must-carry edict for affiliates to run either Mike and Mike and/or Cowherd, guaranteeing them clearance for their two 'flagship' shows
  • They have PBP rights that matter like Major League Baseball, the NBA, horse racing's Triple Crown and yes, even the Bowl (Championship) Series
  • Aside from DP - who was leaving ESPN anyway - they never have abruptly canned popular hosts like Kiley and Booms, Bruno, Czaban or Sciliano
  • The ESPN name is a billion-dollar marketing behemoth, extended beyond TV and into the internet... Fox Sports, Comcast/NBC Sports, CBS/WW1 and Sporting News all can compete with them on certain platforms, but will not be able to overtake the entire operation. Perception is reality, so ESPN will continue to be seen as "the sports leader" for decades to come.

* ...not taking into account One-On-One Sports' name change to Sporting News Radio, and SNR's multiple relaunches and re-branding issues.
 
^^

Doesn't Tony broadcast from Philadelphia?

I've said this before, but I really don't find what makes Bruno so great. However, I'd be willing to take him over Zak and Jack any day. I don't know which is worst, them or Van Earl Wright.
 
Bruno USED TO be great.

Not anymore. Better than Zak and Jack? I don't honestly know if the Bruno of today would be better than them. Certainly not if he brings his girlfriend "miss robin" as a co-host. His night show is an abortion.

Did you hear him fill in for Dan Patrick??? It was truly pathetic.
 
[EDIT*] I heard Bruno filling in for Patrick and actually thought it was a better, more listenable show without the filler polls and 5 voices chiming in all the time. Perhaps you being stuck in a dead end job in a medium market has skewed your ability to judge talent.
Have you heard some of the females on others shows? Remember Crystal Fernandez. How great was she? That was an abortion!

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I see editor edited your post sports whisperer...maybe you are actually Miss Robin or Bruno himself.

Either way...if we are talking about two dismal female hosts (robin and crystal)...then they better be attractive in a social media age. Miss Robin will not be following crystal's tradition of being on Fox Sports Radio posters without being too insulting.

Also, you must work with or for Bruno if you are trying to say his fill in attempt was anywhere near DP's level of a show. Come on.
 
thegreatonecartini said:
I see editor edited your post sports whisperer...maybe you are actually Miss Robin or Bruno himself.
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I think you nailed it. There was also other deleted posts the other night from a multiple id at the same computer...which praised the show. I think FSR and Bruno/Patrick are decent but there is someone trying to trump them up who's obviously on the inside.
 
I heard Tony' show a few nights back. It's a shell of what it once was. It has been getting progressively worse since his initial departure/dismissal from FSR. His show with Andrew Siciliano was by far his best days. His ESPN show with Golic wasn't as compelling as the show with Andrew S. The SNR show was not great.

I'm not saying Tony's show now is bad. It's just not what it once was.

I will agree with the initial post in the thread.

The best overall FSR lineup was:

All Times ET

6am - Czabe
9am - Bruno/Siciliano
Noon - Rome
3pm - Myers
7pm - Shemon
10pm - JT The Brick
2am - Sedano and the crew
 
The thing that annoyed me about Tony Bruno's show now is that the shows have themes: Trucker Tuesday, What up Wednesday, and Throwback Thursday. It feels like they don't do anything new at all each week. I got incredibly bored listening.
 
I thought Chris Myers did a great job when he was on FSR and I always listened to Game Time live with Andrew Sciliano & Crystal Fernandez, as a matter of fact I also dug "The first team" thought Czaban & his crew did a GREAT show and I even enjoyed "Out of bounds" with Craig Shemon & JDub!
That whole lineup kept me listening all day, the lineup now, no way, Loose Cannons we don't get in this market and I can't comment on it but I have heard PMS when I am in California visiting my wife's grandparents & family and I have listened a bit on the 'net and it's just terrible!
I hear Petros on KJR up here in Seattle from time to time on Dave Mahlers show and he always does a great job, straight sports stuff about USC, sure the voice can be grating but at least he's doing the sports story right.
When he's doing his show it's not really even sports so much as it is "guy radio" you used to hear on Hot talk stations that also broadcast Leykis or on the local rock station targeting a male 25-54 demo.
Maybe that's what Don Martin wants, I don't know but I'll say this it isn't "sports radio".
 
FSR did have a good lineup with Czaban and crew, followed by Shemon and Washington (altho I like Dan Patrick much better) then Chris Myers, followed by Sciliano and Fernandez. It was solid.

Maybe Don Martin is trying to go more for "guy radio" than sports talk because there seems to be an awful lot of entertainment talk and name dropping going on these days (especially with the Loose Cannons). If that's the case then stop calling it Fox SPORTS Radio and start calling it something else.
 
sprtschick said:
FSR did have a good lineup with Czaban and crew, followed by Shemon and Washington (altho I like Dan Patrick much better) then Chris Myers, followed by Sciliano and Fernandez. It was solid.

Maybe Don Martin is trying to go more for "guy radio" than sports talk because there seems to be an awful lot of entertainment talk and name dropping going on these days (especially with the Loose Cannons). If that's the case then stop calling it Fox SPORTS Radio and start calling it something else.
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I agree! stop calling it "sports radio" if you're going to do so much entertainment talk.
When I first started producing morning drive sports I became frustrated that the host was doing so much non sports talk so I complained and was told that morning drive they are were trying to get hard core sports fans as well as casual sports fans including females so they "HAD" to do do the entertainment talk and "guy radio" which frustrated me even more but I still worked as much as I could to keep the show more focused on sports as much as possible.
That being said I could see FSR employing that thought for morning drive but when you do it so much in ALL the other dayparts as well and when you have a show in "The Loose Cannons" which has 1 guy who used to be a sports reporter but now is nothing more than an entertainment hack who should be on Entertainment tonight rather than a sports talk show, an every man who just rambles and one guy holding the show together giving it sports credibility HOW can you say THAT is sports programming? IT ISN'T!!!!!!! and on top of that the show isn't even broadcast during the AM drive of ANY time zone which I said I could see some entertainment talk during.
PMS is guilty of the same thing and I guess Don Martin thinks his brand of "sports talk" works but if he took the time to listen to his listeners he would see that is FAR from the case, you can't just go by ratings or PPM numbers but rather do some research across t he country and see what the listeners want.
I can tell you this, it wouldn't be what FSR is serving up right now that's for sure!
 
Remeber Sporting News Radio is now Yahoo Sports Radio. For me I like ESPN Radio. It would be nice if 2 Live Stews goes to ESPN Radio since they left Sporting News Radio. I saw 2 Live Stews on First Take on ESPN-2 the other day.
 
If ESPN had Ryen Rusillo take over All Night & do it out of the Bristol studios as opposed to KSPN like Smith did they could conceivably put the Stews on where SVP is right now or maybe put them on with SVP it cwrtainly would be entertaining to say the least!
Ryen does a great job on Van Pelt's show co hosting and doing the fill in thing when SVP is off doing a golf tournament so why not put the Stews with him or just have them take that slot with SVP coming on every so often?
 
FSR would be smart to bring Arnie Spanier on board. SNR hasn't been the same since he's been gone.
 
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