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Future of Colbert's Late Show?

TheBigA said:
Maybe that's the perception, and if so, that could be why it's not working.

On the other hand Fallon didn't play within the playbook of Leno, and no one misses the old show. Or no one under 65.
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Well I seen the Trevor Noah editions of the Daily Show and he is OK but the critique is harsh mainly because Noah has to conduct the Daily Show under the framework under Jon Stewart while being original at the same time. I seen Noah's South African standup shows on YouTube and he was great.

Well in the Noah editions of the Daily show he talks about insane asylum of politics while Jon Stewart talked about spin alley.
 
These late night talk shows are all the same.

1. Repetitive monologue; followed by
2. Boring celebrity guest interviews; followed by
3. Musical performance, usually from some no-name band

It's about time somebody tried something new.
 
ansky212 said:
These late night talk shows are all the same.

1. Repetitive monologue; followed by
2. Boring celebrity guest interviews; followed by
3. Musical performance, usually from some no-name band

It's about time somebody tried something new.
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IMO, both Fallon and Kimmel have tried a lot of new concepts. Yes, both start out with jokes, but this is one element that still works as to warm up the audience.
 
But wait John Oliver does 15-20 segment of a subject where he cites investigative journalism. Thats something thats different from what Oliver did in the Jon Stewart era of the Daily Show.
 
ansky212 said:
These late night talk shows are all the same.

1. Repetitive monologue; followed by
2. Boring celebrity guest interviews; followed by
3. Musical performance, usually from some no-name band

It's about time somebody tried something new.
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Or.....just get back to what worked for Johnny. He kept his interviews generally humorous and delved into his subject's secrets and history instead of blathering on about an upcoming gig.
 
ansky212 said:
These late night talk shows are all the same.

1. Repetitive monologue; followed by
2. Boring celebrity guest interviews; followed by
3. Musical performance, usually from some no-name band

It's about time somebody tried something new.
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Given that we've included The Daily Show and The Nightly Show in this discussion, they are definitely NOT all the same. The others are, to a certain extent, but I'd contend that Colbert is breaking the mold through his nightly political skits and verbal tirades. Unfortunately, I'd speculate that its the same thing that's hurting him in the ratings. There are likely a lot of people who don't want to think about Trump, Clinton, Sanders, et al - after the late night news, and tune in anybody but Colbert.

For historical perspective - Johnny Carson let his political views slip or rare occasions - IIRC he was a liberal, but he scrupulously stayed away from political comment - and controversy in general, while his competition - notably Dick Cavett - welcomed controversy. That was probably one of the reasons Carson was number one. Carson took a lot of flack from pundits during the Vietnam War, for not doing "the responsible thing " and condemning the war, but he did not budge.
 
LKellerIII said:
Given that we've included The Daily Show and The Nightly Show in this discussion, they are definitely NOT all the same. The others are, to a certain extent, but I'd contend that Colbert is breaking the mold through his nightly political skits and verbal tirades. Unfortunately, I'd speculate that its the same thing that's hurting him in the ratings. There are likely a lot of people who don't want to think about Trump, Clinton, Sanders, et al - after the late night news, and tune in anybody but Colbert.

For historical perspective - Johnny Carson let his political views slip or rare occasions - IIRC he was a liberal, but he scrupulously stayed away from political comment - and controversy in general, while his competition - notably Dick Cavett - welcomed controversy. That was probably one of the reasons Carson was number one. Carson took a lot of flack from pundits during the Vietnam War, for not doing "the responsible thing " and condemning the war, but he did not budge.
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Check out the Kilborn edition of the Daily Show wow back then from 1996-1998 The Daily Show was then a parody of Inside Edition or Hard Copy those two syndicated Newsmagazines or CNN and Headline news of that era. And Colbert was like the John Oliver type correspondent of the Kilborn era.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fhR85mUwrXw

Wow during the Kilborn era of the Daily Show he was not all over pundit X or politicians y for running Spin alley in that version of the Daily Show. Also you don't see Kilborn analyze rants of cable talk show hosts that you would later see as a regular part of the Jon Stewart and Trevor Noah editions of the Daily Show. Wow I would not fit in with Kilborns Daily Show audience. I tend to fit in with the Jon Stewart and Trevor Noah editions of the Daily Show where its mainly about the hosts description of Spin Alley and Insane asylum in the Campaign trail.
 
CTListener said:
Why wouldn't he return to Comedy Central? Keith Olbermann has returned to his sports roots a couple of times now after his outsized outrage got to be too much for his bosses at an entertainment division to handle, right? I always wondered why Craig Kilborn -- whom I found really funny at ESPN -- didn't return to ESPN or pop up at another sports operation after his venture into late night entertainment flopped.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8r8QXg0Tro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhR85mUwrXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyw8TJobEpI


Craig Kilborn was the first host of the Daily Show 20 years ago back from 1996-1998. But Back then according to critics The Daily Show operated more like a parody of Inside Edition or Hard Copy If your wondering what those shows are here are the links.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFBcaoxU4IE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGSm4Yg9u98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28riz_SYY2o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yWsOx4XT38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0oPbWvAJVo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8kJ-yH0vNM
 
"For historical perspective - Johnny Carson let his political views slip or rare occasions - IIRC he was a liberal, but he scrupulously stayed away from political comment - and controversy in general."

Didn't he once famously reply to calls for taking a side on the air by saying, "I'd lose half my audience!"? The one time I can remember Johnny tipping his hand politically was a bit he did during the 1988 Presidential campaign called "The Wheel Of Presidential Jokes" or something. The premise was that he had a lot of jokes left over from the primaries about various candidates from both sides, and he'd spin the wheel and do a joke about whoever the wheel landed on, and when the wheel landed on Pat Robertson, Johnny said, "Oh, goodie!"
 
I miss that "equal opportunity offender" approach. Jay Leno (who was back on the Tonight Show last night BTW) may have been the last


Corky Marlowe said:
"For historical perspective - Johnny Carson let his political views slip or rare occasions - IIRC he was a liberal, but he scrupulously stayed away from political comment - and controversy in general."



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Didn't he once famously reply to calls for taking a side on the air by saying, "I'd lose half my audience!"? The one time I can remember Johnny tipping his hand politically was a bit he did during the 1988 Presidential campaign called "The Wheel Of Presidential Jokes" or something. The premise was that he had a lot of jokes left over from the primaries about various candidates from both sides, and he'd spin the wheel and do a joke about whoever the wheel landed on, and when the wheel landed on Pat Robertson, Johnny said, "Oh, goodie!"
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I have to say that Colbert may be struggling in the ratings, but he did the best shows of his career during the RNC convention.
 
Oscar Madison said:
CBS knows exactly how many views "The Late Show" or any show gets online, and even how many delayed views it gets on Tivo or other DVR's.

People who watch on-demand are hardly cord-cutters. The Internet goes to people's houses on "the cord," and from a cable company. To watch on-demand, you either have to subscribe or be a cable/satellite customer.
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I get my Internet from the phone company. If I was willing to pay for it, I could "cut the cord" (yes, I know there's still a "phone cord", but the definition of a cord cutter is based on cutting yourself off from an MVPD). I'm not certain Internet where I live is fast enough for video, because when I asked about upgrading, they had to look to see what was available. Depending on where you live, Internet from the phone company might work for this purpose.
 
I read that Stephen Colbert is not allowed to be "Stephen Colbert" because "Stephen Colbert" is the intellectual property of Comedy Central.
 
And Sunday's Sharknado 4 movie featured Paul Shaffer in a sight gag where he is working as a street
musician and panhandling while holding a sign that said "Unemployed".
 
seatownmedia said:
I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but I don't watch anything other than Fallon these days, maybe a little of Fallon, because my local ABC airs it at 11:05 after a sickly 5 minute newscast. (Eastern Washington smaller market, sigh)
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HOW in the world does an ABC affiliate air The Tonight Show ?? Don't you mean the local NBC affiliate ??

And WHO airs a 5 minute newscast @ 11:00 PM ET/PT / 10:00 PM CT/MT & IS NOT a Fox, MyNet or CW affiliate ??

#ScratchingHead

Cheers & 73 :)
 
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