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Future of radio...?

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ParadignPro

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Hey all,

I came across these boards when i was working the very prestigious weekend overnight shift at BZ last year, and i've enjoyed and appreciate the insight from the radio insiders and outsiders. I've only been in radio about 2 years (and i love my job), but it seems, to me, like i jumped in at THE WORST possible time... from the mass axing of radio veterans to the jockless "ipod shuffle" stations popping up, im curious as to what you guys think the future of terrestrial radio has in store.

I have a limited, 2 station, perspective. I interned at AAF and currently reside in BZ production, so i'd love to hear what others think.

Thanks!

- Cory
 
You know, I always wished I had the weeknight overnight shift instead of the weekend. Man has that opinion changed quick.
 
You know, I always wished I had the weeknight overnight shift instead of the weekend. Man has that opinion changed quick.
Well, I believe Rob will still be there, someone has to babysit the transmitter...

im curious as to what you guys think the future of terrestrial radio has in store.
Just my opinion, but I am fairly sure that terrestrial radio will stay. Satellite just can't capture a large audience, that is why XM & Sirius merged, to keep from going belly up. I am not about to pay a monthly subscription for radio, & I never will. ::)

I am not a big fan of syndication at all, & I really do not like the move that 'BZ has done. I would much rather have a local guy behind the mike. I was not real happy with Steve as of late, and I wouldn't have minded a local replacement with a bigger vocabulary than "moron" & "baloney".

When you sit behind that mike, you have to be very tempered, & put your personal feelings aside for most of the time. Jordan has the right idea as far as personality goes, but he can leave all those guests behind, as far as I am concerned. Especially with this most recent move, folks now more than ever want open lines. Let the cards fall where they may.
 
ParadignPro it didn't take you long to figure out what the future of radio looks like, you are just still a tad optomistic that it might be different from what you are seeing. Sorry, but it's not.

"Music" stations will evolve into the iPod shuffle you mention and news stations will evolve into "talkers" with syndicated hosts. However that road leads to a slippery slope. That slope is that because smaller markets have already, by and large, given up on local talent there won't be many talented folks to step into those few "syndicated slots" when the current batch retires. Ditto any music stations hoping to stand out by going back to "live and local".

The future of radio is bleak.

BTW a word to the wise, I'd be careful about giving too many clues to your identity when posting to boards like this. Radio managers tend to read them and if they don't like what you post...well you can fill in the blank.
 
ParadignPro said:
im curious as to what you guys think the future of terrestrial radio has in store.

I think the future won't be like the past. Radio needs to become more personalized, more integrated with new technology, and more creative in its use of content.

Also, I believe the talent pool was diluted during the past 20 years. Too many stations, too many people, all doing basically the same thing. We've seen it with American Idol. Who can name the second person voted off in season three? Who cares? No one. Same with radio. You can't have thousands of radio stations with thousands of local DJs. The real talent gets lost in the shuffle. So you need to pick...who of the group will resonate with large audiences? The issue isn't local vs. syndicated, but rather finding talent who will become household names the way Dick Clark, Rick Dees, Howard Stern, and Wolfman Jack did. People you can build an industry around. People who can put a face to what radio is. Right now, when you think radio, you think about company names and CEOs. That's wrong. You need to be thinking about products and brands, and those brands are the on-air people.

Certainly, to be able to afford more people like Steve Harvey and Rush Limbaugh, radio has to forego more of the local talent. In order to afford more integration with new technology, radio has to replace people with limited equipment skills with people who know new technology. In order to replace another ten-in-a-row, radio has to create more original content that it can market across numerous platforms.

Those are the challenges that face radio in the future. Is there a future for you there?
 
I don't understand why or how people think that satellite radio has such a rosy future. I don't. They are saddled with mountains of debt (Thank you, Howard Stern) and the cars that are populated with the receivers aren't moving quickly off the lots. Many people (myself included) see satellite radio as a 'luxury' and there's not a big appetite for that kind of spending going on right now. So XM and Sirius are saddled with a ton of debt yet their subscriber base isn't growing (or is, but anemically). XM and Sirius probably thought the merger would bring the fence-sitters, but is that happening to any meaningful degree? Even though the companies are 'merged,' the equipment sure isn't. Promises that this will 'eventually occur' abound, but meanwhile Stern still wants his paycheck.
 
INTERNET RADIO. I have a i-net radio at my bedside where I can "tune-in" just about every radio station in the world that streams on the web - I listen to stations in Sydney, Aust., London, any radio station in the U.S. that streams (WBZ, KGO, KFI, WCCO, WHO, WJR, WLS, WSM, WSB, KEX, WBT, KIRO, KYW, WWJ, WOR, WGN, public radio, etc. etc. ) Literally multi-thousands of stations.

They are working on I-net radio's for cars (in fact I believe several radio models have already been released in the last several weeks). I work at one of the automotive OEM's and it is being worked on. With all these community and regional efforts to put max-fi, wi-fi it will not be long.

I guess there will always be a need to have a over-the-air stations (for emergencies, etc.) but I-net is where the "radio" action will be.

I am not an expert but it seems like this is where it is heading.
 
Radio is dead....

Radio is dead.

It died the day that the creative people were forced out and replaced with bean counters. See, radio was always an ART based upon science. Now it's strictly a science. The art is gone. The creativity is gone.

Sure, it has 10-20 years more life left in it before its current listeners die off. But there are few new listeners joining radio. It's been this way for over a decade. New media like the Internet has only sped up the decline that goes back to the days of the music cassette.

The sad thing is that it didn't have to be this way. Radio committed suicide. It killed itself off. Except for listening to the ball game or catching up on news or traffic, few under 30 even listen to radio. If you own a Chrysler product, you already can have Internet in your car. Actually, you probably have it in your car already via your cell phone. Cell phones will soon be the new car radios. You'll plug your cell phone into a socket on your dash and it will become the vehicles' entertainment and communications center. The car radio will be an afterthought. They're working on the standard connector as you read this.

Did any of you ever own a phone with a radio built in? I did six years ago. I NEVER USED the radio function. Not once. I don't even know if it even worked.
Putting radios in cell phones was such a bomb that no one does it at all today. Yet millions do listen to music on their phones.

Does anyone remember over the air pay TV? It was called Preview in Boston. IMHO, satellite radio is the pay TV of this decade. Chris is 100% correct; it will not survive another ten years. It will be replaced by Interactive and Internet radio.

Have any of you heard of Slacker (www.slacker.com)? It's a service that offers music content for free. You pick the kind of music you like either by genre or artist. It gives YOU the option of either listening to one or more of its hundreds of great pre-programmed radio stations-or it builds a station especially for YOU!
You have the option of rating each song-and based upon what you like of don't like it makes subtle changes in your personal playlist. Even better, they have a portable player that wirelessly downloads songs and playlists to itself whenever it's in range of a hotspot. In simpler terms, you can have this player fill itself with music you like for your ride into work and then while at work it fills itself with a NEW playlist for the drive home! The free version of Slacker plays about 3 spots and hour; for $3.99 a month you can have no commercials.
I bought my player for 70 dollars shipped. For this price why would I WANT to listen to a radio station that plays 35 minutes of music an hour and the same 500 songs?

Trust me, radio is dead. Those who say otherwise are in denial.
 
Re: Radio is dead....

LA_Guy said:
Radio is dead.

It died the day that the creative people were forced out and replaced with bean counters.

That happened in 1922. Trust me. Ask anyone with a ham license.

LA_Guy said:
The sad thing is that it didn't have to be this way. Radio committed suicide. It killed itself off.

Right. And all the horses committed suicide. That's why I drive a big, HEATED automobile.
 
Radio will always be there for the people who just like to tune into a station for some background noise. I think the listener who wants to hear what they want to hear will find a way to hear their style of music. Be it satellite, college radio, internet streaming or anything else. The days of a established Boston radio stations from last 50 years are gone. There will still be listeners but they'll be smaller groups of them.
 
In the words of one talented individual, who could easily program radio stations today, Alvin The Chipmunk: "Give the people what they want and they'll respond."

If radio would stop 'commiting suicide' and provide programming that is fun and different, with talented hosts, it will win. Instead, they are eliminating these reasons to listen and growing more boring. Teenagers find terrestrial radio to be extinct already...just ask my ipod listening/streaming nephews.

Many posts are correct in stating that terrestrial radio is shooting itself in the foot with actions over the past few years, be it syndicating the long dead (wolfman jack); dayparts coming from non-local areas (satelite and internet can do that well; we need to be local to win) or board ops 24/7.

My own streaming site has over 250,000 listeners a month and that's growing every month.

Fire the talented, stop being creative and radio will die. Unfortunately, which GM that was once on the air (lol) cares?

Barry Scott
www.lost45.com: We dare to be different!
 
Barry Scott said:
Fire the talented, stop being creative and radio will die. Unfortunately, which GM that was once on the air (lol) cares?

Aren't the stations mainly following cutback orders issued by national corporate owners? I get the impression that it's mostly out of the hands of the local GM's. They may have to make some of the local decisions on which unfortunate souls get the axe, but the axe itself is put in their hands by national corporate, and they're ordered to use it.
 
No matter what, people will still seek entertainment & information. So if you're any good at production you'll always have a job. What will change is how people receive their information. Forget being a jock. And you might make more money driving a truck. If you stay in radio make sure you learn multiple skill sets. For example,
production guy, IT guy, and engineer, plus office manager and sales. if you can handle those skills all at once you are in like Flynn. Though I caution you, you'll work like a dog and make little money.

Maybe less production guy. Computer generated human voices are getting better. And some day in the near future, the voice you hear on the radio or web will be a computer. And production voices will be sold as packages.. then downloaded off the web. My advice is to seek a skill set that can't be replaced by a computer.
Maybe a plumber. I curse you Bill Gates.. you're the devil and the spirit of Hitler.
You finally did, you murders, you blew it up, dam you all to hell Gates...
 
Re: Radio is dead....

FM Radios are still being built in some models: These are the ones I found with a quick search...I'm sure they're more. All are GSM except the LG which is CDMA.

Sony Ericsson W810i, W760i and W580i
Nokia 3300, E90, N70, N73, N95 and 6102i
LG Prada KE800
Motorola C168 and ROKR E8
LG Chocolate 3
Samsung Juke

I'm sure there are more. Radio isn't dead yet, but if it stays on its current road it very well could be. That said, Radio has always managed to reinvent itself when people were counting it out.


LA_Guy said:
Putting radios in cell phones was such a bomb that no one does it at all today.
 
Barry Scott said:
If radio would stop 'commiting suicide' and provide programming that is fun and different, with talented hosts, it will win.

So if that's true, why isn't your internet station #1?
 
#1? Meaning what? lol. Are we talking versus corporations, AOL, yahoo here?

Streaming 250,000 listeners for a single show is not bad for a small, specialty show.

I am happy! I am also thankful to be working in radio, in whichever form it takes.

Why isn't anyone on this board ever pleased with anything?



Barry Scott
www.lost45.com
America's Largest Music & Interview Library!
 
Barry Scott said:
Streaming 250,000 listeners for a single show is not bad for a small, specialty show.

Not bad at all! I just checked the stream statistics for my show on WMBR... it looks like their real-time stream averages only about a tenth of that for my show! (Not including people listening later on the archives).

Barry Scott said:
Why isn't anyone on this board ever pleased with anything?

A lot of people come here to vent, and I certainly understand, if not share, many of their concerns. There's increasing bleakness in the radio business today, but I'm one of the few posters foolhardy enough to use my real name on the board, which hopefully helps keep me "on the high road" and from saying anything that would shoot myself in the foot!

I have part-time work at a successful, well-run station that I'm glad to be part of, and also a show on a volunteer college station where I get to have fun and musical freedom. Life's not ideal, but I've loved radio since turning on my first transistor portable in 1966, and at least I'm still at it!
 
Eli: Thanks for your positiveness on this board! It's refreshing.

Barry Scott
www.lost45.com
America's Largest Music & Interview Library!
 
Did I say a tenth of 250,000 stream my show?!? The calculator in my head must've been malfunctioning! I meant one one-thousandth!! My WMBR show appears to average only about 250 streamers!
 
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