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Future of WBCN

Was looking at WBCN website today and notice that Hardy Poole and Adam 12 are the only full time jocks on the station at BCN. Howard Stern does mornings but how much longer will he be around, with him going to Sirius radio in January, i doubt he will be on BCN for that long. Plus, Deek is no longer at BCN and no new jock that I know of has taken over yet. From a radio listener point of view, BCN has really dropped a lot of listeners since they lost the key BCN jocks like Deek, Melissa, and Nik Carter. Do you think they will ever be back to where they were years ago, their music I really like to listen to, but they really don't have any jocks on the station to listen to besides Adam 12 and Hardy Poole. Do you think BCN will no longer be around after Howard Stern leaves? Just curious, what other radio listeners think.
Avid Radio Listener Fan, djrockdaddy80
 
I think BCN will be around for some time to come, but i'll be honest, the BCN of today is not the BCN of 2003. COMPLETELY flipped on its backside.

not to give dave w. crap, but he kind of ripped the soul out of the station. the imaging isnt as funny. it sounds like a classic rock station. hell, they are now doing "save money on bcn sponsors" stuff...like, corny chr stuff.

deek. gone. melissa. gone. nik. gone. i still love adam 12. hardy bothers me...

seriously...fnx...this is your time to shine...because its only a matter of time before bcn flips to classic rock.


> Was looking at WBCN website today and notice that Hardy
> Poole and Adam 12 are the only full time jocks on the
> station at BCN. Howard Stern does mornings but how much
> longer will he be around, with him going to Sirius radio in
> January, i doubt he will be on BCN for that long. Plus, Deek
> is no longer at BCN and no new jock that I know of has taken
> over yet. From a radio listener point of view, BCN has
> really dropped a lot of listeners since they lost the key
> BCN jocks like Deek, Melissa, and Nik Carter. Do you think
> they will ever be back to where they were years ago, their
> music I really like to listen to, but they really don't have
> any jocks on the station to listen to besides Adam 12 and
> Hardy Poole. Do you think BCN will no longer be around after
> Howard Stern leaves? Just curious, what other radio
> listeners think.
> Avid Radio Listener Fan, djrockdaddy80
>
<P ID="signature">______________
-TheGuy...InTheRadio</P>
 
>seriously...fnx...this is your time to shine...because its only a matter of time before bcn flips to classic rock.

Why would WBCN flip to classic rock when co-owned WZLX is already a classic rock station!
 
You can build a wonderful mansion, djrockdaddy80, but if you don't have the
Termites exterminated the house can fall into itself.

Talent was shown the door at WBCN for the sake of payroll. Ed "Oedipus" Hyson
and GM Tony Berardini understood Mike/Jack FM - the concept of not paying jocks,
long before it came into vogue. Charles Laquidara's intern was a business associate of mine. He'd come into the office saying "Poor Charles, Oedi beat up on him again today. It's contract time." In front of the intern (a man in his 40s who decided to volunteer at WBCN as a diversion to help get over his divorce)Oedipus would say "Ken Shelton is irrelevant" - and there you have it.
The station is now irrelevant.


Nick, Melissa, Deek, those jocks' names are meaningless to the community a short time after their departure. They are truly "irrelevant", when the legends of Mad Max Sartori, Charles & The Big Mattress, Billy West, Jimmy Mack, Ken,
Mark and even Tommy Hadges & Buffalo all meant more to people's lives.

A woman I knew cried and cried when Charles signed off for the first time to become an actor. They had that kind of effect on people. Not the negativity a Nik Carter or Oedipus would inspire - more people cheered when those two were
fired (very quietly, but a lot of smiles and high fives went around in various circles) and for good reason. Oedipus setting Nik Carter up to humiliate the publisher of The Boston Herald was just another WBCN power trip.

It was no longer about the music. It was about control. Controlling the record reps who had music to promote, controlling the sales staff and the jocks, WBCN was a house of horrors for years. How many ulcers did Oedipus create, one can only speculate.

Dave Wellington's job is not easy. The station once proud and mighty was tied with the lowly classical music station, and fighting for its life against classic rock, while being trounced by talk radio, Top 40 and WBZ.

How can you LOSE ratings with THE PATRIOTS winning and Howard Stern bringing in the morning numbers? Only someone with an agenda that didn't include the station could ruin a 50,000 watt powerhouse so eloquently.

Now because FACTS are printed here watch the DEFENSIVE posture of people attacking the messenger. Someone asked about the Future Of WBCN - I print the facts to back up my theory on where the station will go. As a p.r. guy for Alvin Lee/George Harrison's record our company had to endure Oedipus demanding close to two dozen copies; as the retail guy as well, I saw those copies go into the used record stores BEFORE our distributor could get the product in from New York. One local artist said to me "Oedipus did a better job than my own distributor", which backed up what I witnessed.

You call that running a radio station or ruining a radio station?

Dave Universal in Upstate New York for Entercom faced Atty General Spitzer,
it's just too bad Atty General Tom Reilly didn't have the tenacity of his counterpart in New York.

WBCN has to reinvent itself after fumigation. Boston needs SOMETHING on 104.1 FM and great talk radio would be a good start.

Let the healing begin.




ir·rel·e·vant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-rl-vnt)
adj.
Unrelated to the matter being considered.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ir·rele·vant·ly adv.
Synonyms: irrelevant, extraneous, immaterial, impertinent
These adjectives mean not pertinent to the subject under consideration: an irrelevant comment; a question extraneous to the discussion; an objection that is immaterial; mentioned several impertinent facts.
Antonyms: relevant



Subject: Future of WBCN [ Reply ]
Posted by: djrockdaddy80
Posts: 45
Status: Offline
Posted on: 06/21/05 06:07 PM

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Was looking at WBCN website today and notice that Hardy Poole and Adam 12 are the only full time jocks on the station at BCN. Howard Stern does mornings but how much longer will he be around, with him going to Sirius radio in January, i doubt he will be on BCN for that long. Plus, Deek is no longer at BCN and no new jock that I know of has taken over yet. From a radio listener point of view, BCN has really dropped a lot of listeners since they lost the key BCN jocks like Deek, Melissa, and Nik Carter. Do you think they will ever be back to where they were years ago, their music I really like to listen to, but they really don't have any jocks on the station to listen to besides Adam 12 and Hardy Poole. Do you think BCN will no longer be around after Howard Stern leaves? Just curious, what other radio listeners think.
Avid Radio Listener Fan, djrockdaddy80
 
Response to WBCN future

you say, WBCN needs to become a talk radio station. Don't we already have that with Talk 96.9fm. I think WBCN could be a great radio station like it used to be if they focused on their radio audience, those who like Rock but don't like WAAF stuff. Focus on their Green Day, U2, Killers, REM, Weezer, etc. They need to focus all of their marketing in getting those listeners to stay listening to them and not go over to WAAF. I mean how hard is to use the power of airwaves to catch these audiences. I mean I never worked at a radio station besides in college radio, but with my degree in marketing and further education in business, it should not be hard to market to those audiences. And, is it that expensive to focus on advertising in these groups. I mean hire some part time employees who want to get into the radio business and put them on the streets promoting the station everywhere. I would think that would work also. Also, hire some reasonable jocks, from what i hear the radio business does not pay really well, so I don't understand why these radio stations keep letting great talent away, who go to listen to these radio stations and people wonder why ratings keep going down to top 40 stations plus the top 40 stations are playing rock music like Green Day and such, taking the WBCN listeners away, because those stations are keeping some great talent on the air to attract the listeners. I mean what do I know though. Hopefully, BCN has a great morning talent they have to replace Howard Stern or you may all just be listening to two radio jocks every day, Adam 12, and Hardy Poole.
RAdio Avid Listener



> You can build a wonderful mansion, djrockdaddy80, but if you
> don't have the
> Termites exterminated the house can fall into itself.
>
> Talent was shown the door at WBCN for the sake of payroll.
> Ed "Oedipus" Hyson
> and GM Tony Berardini understood Mike/Jack FM - the concept
> of not paying jocks,
> long before it came into vogue. Charles Laquidara's intern
> was a business associate of mine. He'd come into the office
> saying "Poor Charles, Oedi beat up on him again today. It's
> contract time." In front of the intern (a man in his 40s
> who decided to volunteer at WBCN as a diversion to help get
> over his divorce)Oedipus would say "Ken Shelton is
> irrelevant" - and there you have it.
> The station is now irrelevant.
>
>
> Nick, Melissa, Deek, those jocks' names are meaningless to
> the community a short time after their departure. They are
> truly "irrelevant", when the legends of Mad Max Sartori,
> Charles & The Big Mattress, Billy West, Jimmy Mack, Ken,
> Mark and even Tommy Hadges & Buffalo all meant more to
> people's lives.
>
> A woman I knew cried and cried when Charles signed off for
> the first time to become an actor. They had that kind of
> effect on people. Not the negativity a Nik Carter or
> Oedipus would inspire - more people cheered when those two
> were
> fired (very quietly, but a lot of smiles and high fives went
> around in various circles) and for good reason. Oedipus
> setting Nik Carter up to humiliate the publisher of The
> Boston Herald was just another WBCN power trip.
>
> It was no longer about the music. It was about control.
> Controlling the record reps who had music to promote,
> controlling the sales staff and the jocks, WBCN was a house
> of horrors for years. How many ulcers did Oedipus create,
> one can only speculate.
>
> Dave Wellington's job is not easy. The station once proud
> and mighty was tied with the lowly classical music station,
> and fighting for its life against classic rock, while being
> trounced by talk radio, Top 40 and WBZ.
>
> How can you LOSE ratings with THE PATRIOTS winning and
> Howard Stern bringing in the morning numbers? Only someone
> with an agenda that didn't include the station could ruin a
> 50,000 watt powerhouse so eloquently.
>
> Now because FACTS are printed here watch the DEFENSIVE
> posture of people attacking the messenger. Someone asked
> about the Future Of WBCN - I print the facts to back up my
> theory on where the station will go. As a p.r. guy for
> Alvin Lee/George Harrison's record our company had to endure
> Oedipus demanding close to two dozen copies; as the retail
> guy as well, I saw those copies go into the used record
> stores BEFORE our distributor could get the product in from
> New York. One local artist said to me "Oedipus did a better
> job than my own distributor", which backed up what I
> witnessed.
>
> You call that running a radio station or ruining a radio
> station?
>
> Dave Universal in Upstate New York for Entercom faced Atty
> General Spitzer,
> it's just too bad Atty General Tom Reilly didn't have the
> tenacity of his counterpart in New York.
>
> WBCN has to reinvent itself after fumigation. Boston needs
> SOMETHING on 104.1 FM and great talk radio would be a good
> start.
>
> Let the healing begin.
>
>
>
>
> ir·rel·e·vant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-rl-vnt)
> adj.
> Unrelated to the matter being considered.
>
--------------------> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ir·rele·vant·ly adv.
> Synonyms: irrelevant, extraneous, immaterial, impertinent
> These adjectives mean not pertinent to the subject under
> consideration: an irrelevant comment; a question extraneous
> to the discussion; an objection that is immaterial;
> mentioned several impertinent facts.
> Antonyms: relevant
>
>
>
> Subject: Future of WBCN [ Reply ]
> Posted by: djrockdaddy80
> Posts: 45
> Status: Offline
> Posted on: 06/21/05 06:07 PM
>
--------------------> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Was looking at WBCN website today and notice that Hardy
> Poole and Adam 12 are the only full time jocks on the
> station at BCN. Howard Stern does mornings but how much
> longer will he be around, with him going to Sirius radio in
> January, i doubt he will be on BCN for that long. Plus, Deek
> is no longer at BCN and no new jock that I know of has taken
> over yet. From a radio listener point of view, BCN has
> really dropped a lot of listeners since they lost the key
> BCN jocks like Deek, Melissa, and Nik Carter. Do you think
> they will ever be back to where they were years ago, their
> music I really like to listen to, but they really don't have
> any jocks on the station to listen to besides Adam 12 and
> Hardy Poole. Do you think BCN will no longer be around after
> Howard Stern leaves? Just curious, what other radio
> listeners think.
> Avid Radio Listener Fan, djrockdaddy80
>
 
> >seriously...fnx...this is your time to shine...because its
> only a matter of time before bcn flips to classic rock.
>
> Why would WBCN flip to classic rock when co-owned WZLX is
> already a classic rock station!
<font color=blue> Well, it all starts with morning drive doesn't it? Like someone said you wouldn't expect Howard to play out his contract so will he be gone by say Nov.1? If that's the case I'd imagine they at least know now if they want to have syn.or in-studio talent and in what format. The Red Sox are available after this season,will BCN be a player for their rights? </font>
 
I would be VERY shocked to see the Sox leave EEI. Thats a big money maker for them.

> > >seriously...fnx...this is your time to shine...because
> its
> > only a matter of time before bcn flips to classic rock.
> >
> > Why would WBCN flip to classic rock when co-owned WZLX is
> > already a classic rock station!
> Well, it all starts with morning drive doesn't it? Like
> someone said you wouldn't expect Howard to play out his
> contract so will he be gone by say Nov.1? If that's the case
> I'd imagine they at least know now if they want to have
> syn.or in-studio talent and in what format. The Red Sox are
> available after this season,will BCN be a player for their
> rights?
>
<P ID="signature">______________
-TheGuy...InTheRadio</P>
 
have you heard the station at all, recently? they are skewing towards the classic rock angle more and more every day.

FMQB has an interview with dave w., and even he says they are bringing back the BCN of old, with "classic rock" and some new, deservant hits in there.

ZLX could become jack for all we know. but ive seen crazier things happen. BCN is heading towards something big...

> >seriously...fnx...this is your time to shine...because its
> only a matter of time before bcn flips to classic rock.
>
> Why would WBCN flip to classic rock when co-owned WZLX is
> already a classic rock station!
>
<P ID="signature">______________
-TheGuy...InTheRadio</P>
 
Sox on WBCN

> I would be VERY shocked to see the Sox leave EEI. Thats a
> big money maker for them.
>

Yes, it is a big moneymaker, but remember the shock when WBCN got The Patriots
away from WBZ? And now the two stations are the same company.

I would rather hear the Sox in stereo on WBCN- and it is time to put Castiglione out to pasture.
 
Future of RADIO

Guys, I have got to respond to this and clear up some total misconceptions.

While you are all whining like small children about one radio station, the whole industry is in panic mode. Most people who post here don't even understand.

When someone says about a station that the whole deck of cards is about to fall... apply that to every station, every format in every market in America. Something has happened that the radio execs at all these broadcasting companies hoped wouldn't: Advertisers finally woke up one morning and realized, nobody's listening. Nobody.

Sure radio has people who get in their car and turn it on on the way to and from work. But nobody's listening at home. Worse, the demo that advertisers used to count on to spend enormous amounts of money are NOT spending now. I'm talking about people over 50 (enter the discussion of JACK and MIKE). Traditionally, they've been catered to by advertisers because they have the most disposable cash of any demo. Still true. What's also true is with their 401K plans decimated a couple of years ago, their medical insurance worthless as the paper it's printed on, facing the loss of their social security benefits and the high cost of utilities & gas... these people are holding on to their vast disposable income waiting for the day that they are on a fixed income and need what little they've got.

Now... Stations all figured out a couple of years ago that the technology is finally to a point where they can cut the live jock out of the picture wherever necessary and save a whole pile of cash. So the previous poster is correct in that assumption. Trouble is, just like when in 1980 half the AM stations in the country dropped music for something else, that hastened it's demise, going jockless during certain dayparts and VT'ing others is hastening the whole damn industry's demise, because the less talent on the air, the faster the audience is going somewhere else to be entertained.

At this point let me send a message to Infinity and Entercom: You guys got it all wrong with JACK and MIKE. People who don't want talk over their music have their own massive CD and mp3 collections, and their I-Pods. Why listen to what someone ELSE picks/wants and then listen to commercials. No, people who are still listening to radio want to be entertained by an adult with a brain. And a sense of humor and creativity. You guys may get a short term shot in the arm at the one or two stations you flip to all I-Pod, all the time, but when it wears off, the audience will be gone, just like WRKO found out one day in 1980 when they found out all the listeners had gone to FM.

Ok, where was I?

Radio executives are looking at their sales numbers and panicking. The advertising community figured it out. Hit the stations hard that are playing to young folks who spend wrecklessly after being offered huge lines of credit right out of high school. Stations with the upper demos get blown off. Thus, stations that normally pull even a 6 share are getting flipped to something younger. Something. Anything. Prime demo, however still ain't the 18 year old teenage woman... it's the 25 year old who has a credit card and is super nuts about her image. Target years... 25-32. And even with the new focus, advertisers STILL don't want to spend that much because they know that the audience that heard their message 10 years ago is now listening to satellite, watching survivor island, listening to their I-Pods and home-burnt CDs - but they're NOT glued to a radio station.

Gentlemen... it is NOT about one station blowing off heritage jocks, or even less than heritage jocks to save a few bucks. It's about the whole damn industry scared sh**less that it's going to be completely irrelevant in short order if they don't do something right now.

And... ironically, I commented on this very board not six months ago that this day would eventually come. Still, everyone including the so-called experts are calling this everything except what it is. The realization that radio is old. Greying. And in desperate need of medical attention.

Very few things have the possibility of saving radio at this point, except (GULP!) IBOC. HD Radio will give these stations options that they desperately need to compete with all the other media out there competing for it's attention. Trust me, stations have as much competition now from your kid's "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" PS2 game as they do from the radio station across town.

I'm the first person to scream foul at what has been done to my favorite stations, WBCN included. But I understand what's taking place and everyone else better wake up, also. You guys who are in radio... get yourself skilled in something besides chatting over a song intro. Please. This is reality. Save yourselves, or MIKE might just come in and push you out the door. Or is it Jack? Or Jill? Whatever.

In the end, Radio is what it always has been. It's all about the MONEY. Entertainment can be done cheaper in other mediums now and that's why things are the way they are.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> You can build a wonderful mansion, djrockdaddy80, but if you
> don't have the
> Termites exterminated the house can fall into itself.
>
> Talent was shown the door at WBCN for the sake of payroll.
> Ed "Oedipus" Hyson
> and GM Tony Berardini understood Mike/Jack FM - the concept
> of not paying jocks,
> long before it came into vogue. Charles Laquidara's intern
> was a business associate of mine. He'd come into the office
> saying "Poor Charles, Oedi beat up on him again today. It's
> contract time." In front of the intern (a man in his 40s
> who decided to volunteer at WBCN as a diversion to help get
> over his divorce)Oedipus would say "Ken Shelton is
> irrelevant" - and there you have it.
> The station is now irrelevant.
>
>
> Nick, Melissa, Deek, those jocks' names are meaningless to
> the community a short time after their departure. They are
> truly "irrelevant", when the legends of Mad Max Sartori,
> Charles & The Big Mattress, Billy West, Jimmy Mack, Ken,
> Mark and even Tommy Hadges & Buffalo all meant more to
> people's lives.
>
> A woman I knew cried and cried when Charles signed off for
> the first time to become an actor. They had that kind of
> effect on people. Not the negativity a Nik Carter or
> Oedipus would inspire - more people cheered when those two
> were
> fired (very quietly, but a lot of smiles and high fives went
> around in various circles) and for good reason. Oedipus
> setting Nik Carter up to humiliate the publisher of The
> Boston Herald was just another WBCN power trip.
>
> It was no longer about the music. It was about control.
> Controlling the record reps who had music to promote,
> controlling the sales staff and the jocks, WBCN was a house
> of horrors for years. How many ulcers did Oedipus create,
> one can only speculate.
>
> Dave Wellington's job is not easy. The station once proud
> and mighty was tied with the lowly classical music station,
> and fighting for its life against classic rock, while being
> trounced by talk radio, Top 40 and WBZ.
>
> How can you LOSE ratings with THE PATRIOTS winning and
> Howard Stern bringing in the morning numbers? Only someone
> with an agenda that didn't include the station could ruin a
> 50,000 watt powerhouse so eloquently.
>
> Now because FACTS are printed here watch the DEFENSIVE
> posture of people attacking the messenger. Someone asked
> about the Future Of WBCN - I print the facts to back up my
> theory on where the station will go. As a p.r. guy for
> Alvin Lee/George Harrison's record our company had to endure
> Oedipus demanding close to two dozen copies; as the retail
> guy as well, I saw those copies go into the used record
> stores BEFORE our distributor could get the product in from
> New York. One local artist said to me "Oedipus did a better
> job than my own distributor", which backed up what I
> witnessed.
>
> You call that running a radio station or ruining a radio
> station?
>
> Dave Universal in Upstate New York for Entercom faced Atty
> General Spitzer,
> it's just too bad Atty General Tom Reilly didn't have the
> tenacity of his counterpart in New York.
>
> WBCN has to reinvent itself after fumigation. Boston needs
> SOMETHING on 104.1 FM and great talk radio would be a good
> start.
>
> Let the healing begin.
>
>
>
>
> ir·rel·e·vant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-rl-vnt)
> adj.
> Unrelated to the matter being considered.
>
--------------------> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ir·rele·vant·ly adv.
> Synonyms: irrelevant, extraneous, immaterial, impertinent
> These adjectives mean not pertinent to the subject under
> consideration: an irrelevant comment; a question extraneous
> to the discussion; an objection that is immaterial;
> mentioned several impertinent facts.
> Antonyms: relevant
>
>
>
> Subject: Future of WBCN [ Reply ]
> Posted by: djrockdaddy80
> Posts: 45
> Status: Offline
> Posted on: 06/21/05 06:07 PM
>
--------------------> ------------------------------------------------------------

Your ideas are poisoned by your obvious hatred for certain members past and present of the WBCN/Infinity staff. no one who reads your posts cannot see through that and their always the same theme over and over. Oedipus was a crook, the attorney general should have indicted the station etc. There is never anything new to your rants. You cant make a slew of personal attacks against jocks calling them irrelevent and so on and then try to hide behind the idea that you're only the messanger. You have an agennda and it's not about bringing any sort of message devoid of your agenda. Alvin Lee? talk about irrelevent:

Mad Max Sartori,
> Charles & The Big Mattress, Billy West, Jimmy Mack, Ken,
> Mark and even Tommy Hadges & Buffalo

Here's the truth: WBCN seems to be trying to get an audience of men in their early to mid 30's. The people listening to wbcn today do not have the first idea who any of those people that you've cited are I doubt they would even remember as far back as Mark Parenteau. WBCN re-invented itself in the 90's with personalities like Deek, Nik Carter, Melissa, and the station was a huge powerhouse that had big numbers whether you liked the programming or not. It hasn't been about the music for years, radio in general hasnt been solely about the music for years since the music is available almost anywhere and in most cases the listeners thanks to the internet have the music before the radio stations do. If you are still referenceing your friend who worked with Alvin Lee in the year 2005 then you're definately not the type of person that wbcn is targeting so you wouldn't understand what personality driven radio is about. Mark Parnteau was a great personality in his day, Nik Carter is a great personality, Deek is a great personality and their departure is obviously being felt since we're still talking about them. You complained that it was not about bthe music at BCN anymore but now you call for talk radio to reside at 104.1 fm, and that contradicts everything you say about it being all about the music. Make up your mind or stop complaining.

There is room for all sorts of personalities on air not just the ones that you think are legitimate. Dont you know that?.
 
> You can build a wonderful mansion, djrockdaddy80, but if you
> don't have the
> Termites exterminated the house can fall into itself.
>
> Talent was shown the door at WBCN for the sake of payroll.
> Ed "Oedipus" Hyson
> and GM Tony Berardini understood Mike/Jack FM - the concept
> of not paying jocks,
> long before it came into vogue. Charles Laquidara's intern
> was a business associate of mine. He'd come into the office
> saying "Poor Charles, Oedi beat up on him again today. It's
> contract time." In front of the intern (a man in his 40s
> who decided to volunteer at WBCN as a diversion to help get
> over his divorce)Oedipus would say "Ken Shelton is
> irrelevant" - and there you have it.
> The station is now irrelevant.
>

I dont hear much objectivity from you but wasn't Charles Laquadara making around a million dollars a year? that's a huge money now think of what it was like back then. I barely remember the big mattress I remember the name more than the show. Im 31 and I feel like I grew up on wbcn through the 1990's I loved Nik Carter and Deek and Bradley Jay and Adrian the english guy, Harrison too. I dont know any of the names you posted were they dj's at wbcn? when were they there?

I think they have problems now if you listen now you can't tell one dj from another I dont ever remember it being like that before. If the thread is about the future of wbcn I think when Howard Stern is gone waaf is going to be bigger than ever. That sucks it's like watching an old friend die.
 
Re: Sox on WBCN

>
> I would rather hear the Sox in stereo on WBCN- and it is
> time to put Castiglione out to pasture.
>

Does the flagship have any say who the PBP announcers are? I thought it was strictly the team's decision.
 
Re: Future of radio

Kudos to Steve West on his post below on this subject.
THose of us who are old enough to remember when MTV came on the scene ( and Garebedians V-66) remember the dare I use the term "old" Buggles tune " Video Killed The Radio Star"

And for many years,it did, first in the 50's when TV wiped out every radio program there was ( The Lone Ranger, Dragnet, Amos & Andy for example) then again in the 80's into the 90's when MTV ruled the music world.

Now MTV is irrelevent and broadcast radio is not far behind.

Technology, in the form of MP3 players, Downloads, IPODs, CD burners, and more recently XM and Sirius have put the radio guys behind the 8 ball.

FM is now where AM was 25 years ago... nobody is listening.

The AM band is a wasteland, except for the big 3 in Boston WBZ, WRKO, WEEI.
Leased time ethnic rules the air, and guess what, it is only a matter of time before Boston FM gets one or more Spanish or Brazilian focused FM's. There is money to be made there. Big money. Etnic is big in other markets. As america becomes fragmented, instead of one big melting pot radio will follow.

When I was in college, and doing FM radio on a 1700 watt ERP station ( not some 10 watter mind you) the jocks at BCN were Gods. Charles did speaking engagements, and when he came to Lowell and consented to an on air interview ( with Nancy Quill being one of the people doing the interview) it was like meeting a movie star.

If you got a gig working the Listener Line at BCN you were in heaven.

BCN is not even a shadow of what it was back when I was young. No station is, we looked behind the curtain and saw it was all smoke and mirrors. Remember the BCN Rock Shops at Jordan Marsh? there was a whole section in every store ( for those who don't know what Jordan Marsh is no it is not Barry & Elliot, go ask mom she'll explain) where you could get shirts etc.

anyone remember WCOZ? Kick Ass Rock N Roll? People used to come to blows ( no not the white powder ones but that was big in the day) arguing over which station was better BCN or COZ. Then there was Disco Kiss 108 when Matty became a traitor by leaving BCN to go there and play that crap. Rock Ruled!!

Then the Dark side came.
No longer did you need a 3rd class FCC ticket with an element 9 endorsement to be a DJ. Anyone willing to work for next to nothing was now employable.

Remember when they changed the rules so owners could own TWO fm's in the market?
108 and 94.5 bitter enemies for years were now family.

then the companies could own SIX stations nationwide, then all hell broke loose.

Radio station prices were going up faster then CMGI stock, radio groups were being bought up as fast as the FCC could approve the transfers, and when there were issues the weaker stations were put into trust to be sold off to meet the FCC guidelines. For a few short hours WBZ and WRKO were sister stations.

Consultants, focus groups, the fragmentation of music (there was rock, oldies, and disco back then today I can't even tell you the formats) the playlists were cut back to 50 songs, DJ's no longer picked the music they played and God forbid you went off the list and played something not on the approved list. Did I mention the spot load required to pay for all these stations that were bought for way more than they were worth?

Radio used to be great. The suits killed it with help from Ed Markey and others in government who let a few companies get control of the public airwaves. The public has gotten fed up with it. The technology has rendered broacast radio irrelevent. Owners cry about XM and Sirius providing traffic reports to the FCC. IPODS rule.
IMHO radio killed itself, it is never going to go away,but it will go into a vegitative state and wither away.

BTW I love my XM radio.

rant over.
 
Re: Sox on WBCN

Castiglione? Cmon. We have some of the best announcers in baseball and basketball...both television and radio.

Not until God takes him out to pasture will I say he should be replaced.


> > I would be VERY shocked to see the Sox leave EEI. Thats a
> > big money maker for them.
> >
>
> Yes, it is a big moneymaker, but remember the shock when
> WBCN got The Patriots
> away from WBZ? And now the two stations are the same
> company.
>
> I would rather hear the Sox in stereo on WBCN- and it is
> time to put Castiglione out to pasture.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
-TheGuy...InTheRadio</P>
 
Reply to Frish

Frish,

I'm a big Ken Shelton fan. No one wanted to see him succeed at WROR as much as me (well, maybe HE and management wanted it more than me). It was tragic to see that he lost the spark. It happens. My quote from a newspaperman was to put the facts out there, not a disguised slap at Captain Ken. You are so wrong.

So quoting someone who was inside, the late G.S. (the newspaperman) who had a great reputation for facts and facts only you try to twist as a slap at Ken.
Nope.

> > ir·rel·e·vant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-rl-vnt)
> > adj.
> > Unrelated to the matter being considered.
> >

You know what's amazing - Alvin Lee is one of the finest musicians in the world. These elder statesmen don't care what an anonymous poster writes - they do their music. Calling Alvin Lee "irrelevant" is like calling Buddy Guy or Stevie Ray's music "irrelevant", it just shows the flaws in your theory.


Also amazing is that people who "attack the messenger" have claimed that my
guests - which include Boston Red Sox Curt Schilling & Johnny Pesky, author
of Mystic River Dennis Lehane, scriptwriter of Spiderman/Jurassic Park David
Koepp, were somehow "B" list guests. They denigrated those personalities to try to get my goat. But with 334 hours of programming in ten years that I own
100 %, I stand by the work and continue to get it out across the U.S.A.


Truth is if these guests appeared on WBCN they would be a lot more compelling than David Lee Roth on ZLX - and that's not opinion - i've got the footage to prove it. Unfortunately the better interviews are on ZLX and not WBCN, unless it is Stern or Patriots Football.

So the comments from the peanut gallery have to be taken with a grain of salt.

FRISH WROTE:


> There is room for all sorts of personalities on air not
> just the ones that you think are legitimate. Dont you know
> that?.

Millennium Response: Blame my Congressman, Ed Markey, as Neggy so appropriately posted above. Great personalities do things other than radio today. The Deek/Melissa/Nik Carter syndrome reflects the Limp Bisquick Effect - the music being manufactured on high priced cds is not satisfying to the millions purchasing Sirius and XM - where personalities flourish. Where you don't have to put up with bad rock being passed off as "cool" music.


FRISH WROTE:

Mark Parnteau was a great personality in his day, Nik
> Carter is a great personality, Deek is a great personality
> and their departure is obviously being felt since we're
> still talking about them.

Frish - your enthusiasm gets the better of you. In his day Parenteau was a fantastic jock who kept landing on his feet. When BCN canned him he got two gigs - WRKO and a drive time New York gig. He then went to XM. Had he not
let his poor judgment in his personal life get the better of him he would still be on the air at XM. Where is Nik Carter? This is just an objective observation - did Nik get hired at XM or Sirius? God knows he must be flooding stations with his air checks and resume. Nik was an adequate DJ. Able to be
quick on his feet, but distinctly LACKING in personality. Adequate doesn't cut it in this cut-throat business. You certainly know that.

I have wished Nik Carter well on this board. I still do. I feel badly for
Parenteau. The only people formerly of BCN that I feel were totally shameful
were Berardini and Hyson for the reasons stated before. The station had a very rich history. Any jock who has been able to put BCN on their resume should be proud, even with the dictatorship that was offensive to the staffers, the listeners, and the business people who had to put up with the unprofessional and highly suspicious activities of the GM and PD.

When a Music Director has to put up with (allegedly) offensive behaviour from the higher ups or lose his job, it says something about the morals and integrity of the people at the station. Blame the messenger all you want, the facts still stand and hats off to Dave Wellington for even attempting to clean the mess up.

> >
> > Subject: Future of WBCN [ Reply ]
> > Posted by: djrockdaddy80
> > Posts: 45
> > Status: Offline
> > Posted on: 06/21/05 06:07 PM
> >
> -------------------->
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Your ideas are poisoned by your obvious hatred for certain
> members past and present of the WBCN/Infinity staff. no one
> who reads your posts cannot see through that and their
> always the same theme over and over. Oedipus was a crook,
> the attorney general should have indicted the station etc.
> There is never anything new to your rants. You cant make a
> slew of personal attacks against jocks calling them
> irrelevent and so on and then try to hide behind the idea
> that you're only the messanger. You have an agennda and it's
> not about bringing any sort of message devoid of your
> agenda. Alvin Lee? talk about irrelevent:
>
> Mad Max Sartori,
> > Charles & The Big Mattress, Billy West, Jimmy Mack, Ken,
> > Mark and even Tommy Hadges & Buffalo
>
> Here's the truth: WBCN seems to be trying to get an
> audience of men in their early to mid 30's. The people
> listening to wbcn today do not have the first idea who any
> of those people that you've cited are I doubt they would
> even remember as far back as Mark Parenteau. WBCN
> re-invented itself in the 90's with personalities like Deek,
> Nik Carter, Melissa, and the station was a huge powerhouse
> that had big numbers whether you liked the programming or
> not. It hasn't been about the music for years, radio in
> general hasnt been solely about the music for years since
> the music is available almost anywhere and in most cases the
> listeners thanks to the internet have the music before the
> radio stations do. If you are still referenceing your friend
> who worked with Alvin Lee in the year 2005 then you're
> definately not the type of person that wbcn is targeting so
> you wouldn't understand what personality driven radio is
> about. Mark Parnteau was a great personality in his day, Nik
> Carter is a great personality, Deek is a great personality
> and their departure is obviously being felt since we're
> still talking about them. You complained that it was not
> about bthe music at BCN anymore but now you call for talk
> radio to reside at 104.1 fm, and that contradicts everything
> you say about it being all about the music. Make up your
> mind or stop complaining.
>
> There is room for all sorts of personalities on air not
> just the ones that you think are legitimate. Dont you know
> that?.
>
 
Choosing announcers

I believe Oedipus wanted to fire Gil and Gino and replace them with Peter Brock and Bill Abbate. Thankfully, Bob Kraft wouldn't hear of it.

RE: Castiglione - McDonough is much better. Castiglione is ALWAYS saying "It's a high fly ball DEEP INTO CENTER FIELD -- it's going - it's going HE CAUGHT IT<
CAN YOU BELIEVE IT???? < HE CAUGHT IT... Can you believe that...I thought it was a home run..."

Ridiculous. And that's the voice in our memories - where's Sean McDonough!
Call him up - give him a job!


> > I would rather hear the Sox in stereo on WBCN- and it is
> > time to put Castiglione out to pasture.
> >
>
> Does the flagship have any say who the PBP announcers are?
> I thought it was strictly the team's decision.
>
 
Re: Reply to Frish/Let's talk about the station

> Frish,
>
> I'm a big Ken Shelton fan. No one wanted to see him succeed
> at WROR as much as me (well, maybe HE and management wanted
> it more than me). It was tragic to see that he lost the
> spark. It happens. My quote from a newspaperman was to put
> the facts out there, not a disguised slap at Captain Ken.
> You are so wrong.
>
> So quoting someone who was inside, the late G.S. (the
> newspaperman) who had a great reputation for facts and facts
> only you try to twist as a slap at Ken.
> Nope.
>
> > > ir·rel·e·vant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-rl-vnt)
> > > adj.
> > > Unrelated to the matter being considered.
> > >
>
> You know what's amazing - Alvin Lee is one of the finest
> musicians in the world. These elder statesmen don't care
> what an anonymous poster writes - they do their music.
> Calling Alvin Lee "irrelevant" is like calling Buddy Guy or
> Stevie Ray's music "irrelevant", it just shows the flaws in
> your theory.
>
>
> Also amazing is that people who "attack the messenger" have
> claimed that my
> guests - which include Boston Red Sox Curt Schilling &
> Johnny Pesky, author
> of Mystic River Dennis Lehane, scriptwriter of
> Spiderman/Jurassic Park David
> Koepp, were somehow "B" list guests. They denigrated those
> personalities to try to get my goat. But with 334 hours of
> programming in ten years that I own
> 100 %, I stand by the work and continue to get it out across
> the U.S.A.
>
>
> Truth is if these guests appeared on WBCN they would be a
> lot more compelling than David Lee Roth on ZLX - and that's
> not opinion - i've got the footage to prove it.
> Unfortunately the better interviews are on ZLX and not WBCN,
> unless it is Stern or Patriots Football.
>
> So the comments from the peanut gallery have to be taken
> with a grain of salt.
>
> FRISH WROTE:
>
>
> > There is room for all sorts of personalities on air not
> > just the ones that you think are legitimate. Dont you know
>
> > that?.
>
> Millennium Response: Blame my Congressman, Ed Markey, as
> Neggy so appropriately posted above. Great personalities do
> things other than radio today. The Deek/Melissa/Nik Carter
> syndrome reflects the Limp Bisquick Effect - the music being
> manufactured on high priced cds is not satisfying to the
> millions purchasing Sirius and XM - where personalities
> flourish. Where you don't have to put up with bad rock
> being passed off as "cool" music.
>
>
> FRISH WROTE:
>
> Mark Parnteau was a great personality in his day, Nik
> > Carter is a great personality, Deek is a great personality
>
> > and their departure is obviously being felt since we're
> > still talking about them.
>
> Frish - your enthusiasm gets the better of you. In his day
> Parenteau was a fantastic jock who kept landing on his feet.
> When BCN canned him he got two gigs - WRKO and a drive time
> New York gig. He then went to XM. Had he not
> let his poor judgment in his personal life get the better of
> him he would still be on the air at XM. Where is Nik
> Carter? This is just an objective observation - did Nik get
> hired at XM or Sirius? God knows he must be flooding
> stations with his air checks and resume. Nik was an
> adequate DJ. Able to be
> quick on his feet, but distinctly LACKING in personality.
> Adequate doesn't cut it in this cut-throat business. You
> certainly know that.
>
> I have wished Nik Carter well on this board. I still do. I
> feel badly for
> Parenteau. The only people formerly of BCN that I feel
> were totally shameful
> were Berardini and Hyson for the reasons stated before. The
> station had a very rich history. Any jock who has been able
> to put BCN on their resume should be proud, even with the
> dictatorship that was offensive to the staffers, the
> listeners, and the business people who had to put up with
> the unprofessional and highly suspicious activities of the
> GM and PD.
>
> When a Music Director has to put up with (allegedly)
> offensive behaviour from the higher ups or lose his job, it
> says something about the morals and integrity of the people
> at the station. Blame the messenger all you want, the facts
> still stand and hats off to Dave Wellington for even
> attempting to clean the mess up.


You have made may very serious accusations about previous management and unless you can offer actual proof (proof is not the word of disgruntled ex employees they're never hard to find in any company) then you have no cause to say many of the things that You constantly say. You have never spent a day in the station and do not know what really goes on there. Im not going to insult you but I will set you straight on your opinions that you're offering as facts again.

Mark Parenteau was one of the greatest twenty years plus ago but he could not offer anything as he got older, it had nothing to do with his chronological age but he never changed or updated his act. Part of it was his inability to do anything but wing it, a larger part was his arrogance because he always thought he was the biggest star. The same attitude that got him canned from wrko less than a year after he started that and he could not handle talk radio he had nothing to offer. Yes he was hired at Q104 in NYC but was fired hardly a year later because of his arrogance. You're right he did then go to XM where he did not even make it a year, fired because he was impossible to work with because of his arrogance not because of his legal troubles they didnt happen until a good while until he had been fired from there: FACT. Ken Shelton has been unable to find work for years because his reputation is well known that he is difficult but you are not suggesting that no one is interested in his services although they have not been for years now. Unlike yourself I talk to Nik Carter I dont know why you're trying to pour salt on his name here but I know that he has turneed down a few diffferent jobs he turned down Sirius while he was still working for wbcn. His voice is heard all over TV and radio because he's doing voice overs full time and the voice of a few radio stations in major markets and if you know anything about communications voice overs pay better than most radio jobs ever will. Because he's not scrambling to find something doesnt mean muchhe wanst what he wants and wont take something less as I bet Deek and Melissa both are doing.

The station will go on with or without Howard Stern it wont just fold because he is gone. They will definately have new challanges ebfore them without the built in audience that Howard Stern provides but they were never ab le to recycle his audience into the rest of the day. Its a problem that most stations with Stern including Krock in NYC have. Two very different audiences and mosts tations do not share Howard's audience past noon. We will all have to wait until January to see what becomes of the station.
 
Re: Reply to Frish

> Frish,
>
> I'm a big Ken Shelton fan. No one wanted to see him succeed
> at WROR as much as me (well, maybe HE and management wanted
> it more than me). It was tragic to see that he lost the
> spark. It happens. My quote from a newspaperman was to put
> the facts out there, not a disguised slap at Captain Ken.
> You are so wrong.
>
> So quoting someone who was inside, the late G.S. (the
> newspaperman) who had a great reputation for facts and facts
> only you try to twist as a slap at Ken.
> Nope.

Wha Wha WHAT?

You are confused I did not mention Ken Shelton at all I dont know what you're talking about. Anyone who reads your posts sees that you have an axe to grind and since I cannot reason with someone like you we must agree to disagree sir. Notice though that no one has agreed with anything you have posted in this thread.
 
Re: Reply to Frish/Let's talk about the station

>
> You have made may very serious accusations about previous
> management and unless you can offer actual proof (proof is
> not the word of disgruntled ex employees they're never hard
> to find in any company) then you have no cause to say many
> of the things that You constantly say.

I have the proof; it is well documented.


You have never spent
> a day in the station and do not know what really goes on
> there.

Really? I've never spent a day in the station? Shows how much you know.



Im not going to insult you but I will set you
> straight on your opinions that you're offering as facts
> again.

YOUR FACTS ARE FANTASY. Mark Parenteau was INDEED EMPLOYED BY XM.
In fact, the website read "Hey Moms & Dads & Kids, it's ME, Mark Parenteau",
the minute he ran into legal troubles the website came down; about a week
later his employment was terminated. That's reality.

>
> Mark Parenteau was one of the greatest twenty years plus
> ago but he could not offer anything as he got older,
ce.
> You're right he did then go to XM where he did not even make
> it a year, fired because he was impossible to work with
> because of his arrogance not because of his legal troubles
> they didnt happen until a good while until he had been fired
> from there:

SEE ABOVE.


FACT. Ken Shelton has been unable to find work
> for years because his reputation is well known that he is
> difficult but you are not suggesting that no one is
> interested in his services although they have not been for
> years now.

MILLENIUM RESPONDS:
Ken Shelton is VERY EASY to get along with. He just didn't have it on ROR.
It was quite sad.


Wizardo:
Unlike yourself I talk to Nik Carter I dont know why you're trying to pour salt on his name here but I know> that he has turneed down a few diffferent jobs he turned > down Sirius while he was still working for wbcn. His voice
>
I STAND BY THE FACTS, NIK was adequate, nothing special, I wish him well.
He didn't land on his feet like Parenteau did. Had Mark not gotten arrested he would still be at XM. He was well liked there.


is heard all over TV and radio because he's doing voice
> overs full time and the voice of a few radio stations in
> major markets and if you know anything about communications
> voice overs pay better than most radio jobs ever will.

OH PLEASE - Nik Himself was saying he would be back - and where is he?
Voice overs?

It is a very sad story - the station was a magnificent part of Boston history,
a magnificent Boston attraction. It's about as viable as the old Madison Hotel
now - imploded and stuck in the past.

Good-bye WBCN. There were some great broadcasts in a galaxy far away, long ago...
 
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