G Rock Radio just played AFI's "Miss Murder"...

[SoulCrusher]

... and took out the part with the screaming - the best part of that song, IMO.

It irks me when stations cut out parts of a song like this (probably because they're afraid of "scaring the little girls and the soccer moms"), and G Rock Radio is a frequent offender.

I don't mean to be too critical of the station, which does have many positive attributes and has been improving lately, but this is pretty lame.

I haven't heard any station do this to the AFI song, and I haven't heard a station take out screaming and other parts of songs with this level of frequency. I don't know why they do it, but it's disappointing and it leaves a black mark on an otherwise solid Modern Rock station. Since when should an Alternative station be worried about "scaring" people? Leave that to the "soft rock" stations of the world.

 

[tom]

I don't know the song ... but a quick bit of google research shows that it's an official release, and many stations are playing it, and people are liking that version.

Personally - I like the longest "album version" of any song - and hate playing the short versions.

In this case, if the band released it - they probably like getting airplay from stations that may not have touched it otherwise, so it's really not a bad thing. I'm sure G-Rock isn't editing these things themselves.

 

[buzzrockradio]

The edited version is an edited verson of the or the single which was edited to leave ou the 1st minute. You can hear the whole song by typing it in on Youtube.com

 

[tom]

The edited version is an edited verson of the or the single which was edited to leave ou the 1st minute. You can hear the whole song by typing it in on Youtube.com

I guess they use the same editor you do ... there are words and letters missing from your post ????

 

[SoulCrusher]

G Rock Radio has done several types of edits before, ranging from removing the screaming from Story Of The Year's "Anthem Of Our Dying Day" to cutting off the ending of the Chili Peppers's "Higher Ground", to cutting off the first couple of minutes of Tool's "Vicarious" (this must have angered the Tool fans that listen - this is only the second time I've ever heard an edit of a Tool song; the first was when NYC's K-Rock took off the first couple of minutes from "Eulogy"). No doubt about it - they love their edits. Gives them more time to play Coldplay, Linkin Park and Green Day, I suppose .

 

[Starscream]

Gives them more time to play Coldplay, Linkin Park and Green Day, I suppose .

...or spots.

 

[buzzrockradio]

wow i should read before I post.

 

[JeremyAndrews]

G Rock Radio has done several types of edits before, ranging from removing the screaming from Story Of The Year's "Anthem Of Our Dying Day" to cutting off the ending of the Chili Peppers's "Higher Ground", to cutting off the first couple of minutes of Tool's "Vicarious" (this must have angered the Tool fans that listen - this is only the second time I've ever heard an edit of a Tool song; the first was when NYC's K-Rock took off the first couple of minutes from "Eulogy"). No doubt about it - they love their edits. Gives them more time to play Coldplay, Linkin Park and Green Day, I suppose .

G Rock cut out the screaming in Anthem Of Our Dying Day? Man B98-5 didn't even cut that part. You'd think it would be the other way around.

Another song that I've heard a lot of stations cutting out the screaming is Papa Roach - Scars where they scream "go fix yourself"

 

[fwdmo]

For the record, Interscope Records has released the edit for less agressive stations...as a matter of fact, a lot of the songs mentioned here are edits provided by the record labels...go bitch at them

 

[SoulCrusher]

I'm bumping this one because I heard WMMR play this song as I was changing stations last night, and surprisingly they actually played the real version of this song (with the slow part and the screaming), and not the CHR/Hot AC version with the really cheesy part replacing it that G Rock Radio plays. I was surprised because of MMR's reputation as a Heritage Rocker that they played this version.

It just goes to show you that this is the version that you should play if you call yourself a Rock station. Quit being wusses and just play the screaming part - we're not a bunch of blue-haired ladies or children that will get frightened.

 

[buzzrockradio]

But a few nights ago MMR played the edited version.

 

[SoulCrusher]

But a few nights ago MMR played the edited version.

For them, it's acceptable. For an Alternative Rocker, it's not. The Alternative stations need to realize that the blue hairs aren't the ones that are tuning in, and that the listeners won't get offended by a little screaming (and if they are, maybe they should go listen to Delilah or something). I can't stand this tame, nervous approach to radio.

This is why people started tuning out in the first place - case in point: K-Rock in NYC. In their case, maybe they weren't totally timid about screaming (they did cut out the screaming when they played "Bodies" by Drowning Pool, and they also did it for "Wait And Bleed" by Slipknot), but they were incredibly safe musically. Hey, let's be real timid about our music selections and play nothing but hits until our audience erodes to nothing, and then let's play the same old hits some more! Yes, you have to play a solid base of hits to capture the listener's attention, but you don't have to play ONLY hits and the same ones all the time, like some stations do. It's presented in a way that it sounds like "Baby's First Alternative Station", a basic, simple approach to what should be an eclectic, diverse format. How many times can someone hear Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit", Radiohead's "Creep", 311's "Down", Pearl Jam's "Daughter", etc. without wanting to scream? If you continue to pound these songs like some stations do, you take the listener for a fool that has never listened to an Alternative station in their life. Be aggressive with the new songs, play a diverse array of new songs, expand the library to "Jack"-like proportions (within format parameters, of course), play just enough familiar songs to hook the casual listeners - THAT is what all Alternative stations should be doing, instead of following the bland CBS / Clear Channer business model like so many have.

 

[buzzrockradio]

But a few nights ago MMR played the edited version.

For them, it's acceptable. For an Alternative Rocker, it's not. The Alternative stations need to realize that the blue hairs aren't the ones that are tuning in, and that the listeners won't get offended by a little screaming (and if they are, maybe they should go listen to Delilah or something). I can't stand this tame, nervous approach to radio.

This is why people started tuning out in the first place - case in point: K-Rock in NYC. In their case, maybe they weren't totally timid about screaming (they did cut out the screaming when they played "Bodies" by Drowning Pool, and they also did it for "Wait And Bleed" by Slipknot), but they were incredibly safe musically. Hey, let's be real timid about our music selections and play nothing but hits until our audience erodes to nothing, and then let's play the same old hits some more! Yes, you have to play a solid base of hits to capture the listener's attention, but you don't have to play ONLY hits and the same ones all the time, like some stations do. It's presented in a way that it sounds like "Baby's First Alternative Station", a basic, simple approach to what should be an eclectic, diverse format. How many times can someone hear Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit", Radiohead's "Creep", 311's "Down", Pearl Jam's "Daughter", etc. without wanting to scream? If you continue to pound these songs like some stations do, you take the listener for a fool that has never listened to an Alternative station in their life. Be aggressive with the new songs, play a diverse array of new songs, expand the library to "Jack"-like proportions (within format parameters, of course), play just enough familiar songs to hook the casual listeners - THAT is what all Alternative stations should be doing, instead of following the bland CBS / Clear Channer business model like so many have.

You are right alternative stations should mix it up.

 

[SoulCrusher]

A bump for this thread, because once again G Rock Radio edited screaming in a song. I'm glad that they added "Tears Don't Fall" by Bullet For My Valentine, but what they added was a version that takes the screaming out and replaces it with real whiny singing during the pre-chorus part. I've never heard this version played anywhere else, but again it goes to show you how timidly programmed this station is. Other stations like WJSE play songs the way they were meant to be heard, and they don't use excessive dayparting. That right there is a station that's in touch with their listeners. G Rock Radio is just trying way too hard for doctor's office and bank rotation.

 

[buzzrockradio]

Tears Don't Fall I thought I missed that part of the song when i heard it last week.

 

[Beejus]

A bump for this thread, because once again G Rock Radio edited screaming in a song.

Again... GRock didn't maliciously go in with Adobe or ProTools and surgically remove the screaming part of these songs. The record labels make these versions and GRock decided to play them.

Again... if you don't like them, then don't listen.


And mods... can we lock this thread... it was dead for a month and a half before SoulCrusher decided to whine again.

 

[SoulCrusher]

I think it should be public knowledge that G Rock Radio plays edits of the songs that remove screaming. That's the only reason why I make these posts. If it reaches the right amount of people, maybe we can contact G Rock Radio collectively and put an end to this practice. That is understandable for a Hot AC or even a CHR, but not for an Alternative station.

And how do you know that G Rock Radio doesn't make some of these edits? I've never heard any other station play the edited version of the AFI or the BFMV song.

 

[Beejus]

I think it should be public knowledge that G Rock Radio plays edits of the songs that remove screaming. That's the only reason why I make these posts. If it reaches the right amount of people, maybe we can contact G Rock Radio collectively and put an end to this practice. That is understandable for a Hot AC or even a CHR, but not for an Alternative station.

And how do you know that G Rock Radio doesn't make some of these edits? I've never heard any other station play the edited version of the AFI or the BFMV song.

1.)As pretty much proven by the lack of response on this board... no one cares that they play the edit except for you. YOU can e-mail GRock and complain if you'd like... being the rock version of Julius May won't get you anywhere.

2.)The record label sent out the radio edit of the AFI song. I recieved a copy of it here at my station. I don't know about the BFMV song, but I highly doubt GRock would take a knife to a song themselves.

Again... stop beating a dead horse.

 

[hubcity]

Beejus,

It also appears nobody cares as much about complaining about SoulCrusher as you. I know I don't generally don't read threads that feature one person repying to themselves, so why not let this become one of those?

As for SoulCrusher, he may come to realize (as I have) that commercial radio is not about artistic propriety and satisfying listeners, it's about maximizing listeners and satisfying advertisers. The sooner one realizes that, the sooner one stops complaining about it and abandons it entirely.

-Sean
Altrok Radio at http://www.altrokradio.com

 

[SoulCrusher]

Sean: I'm well aware that FM radio stations shoot for across the board appeal and playing what will draw advertisers. However, there are a few commercial stations out there that seem like something more. Indie 103.1 over in CA is a good example. Heck, WJSE in AC with its wildly diverse selection of currents and better than average library is a far more interesting listen than most so-called Alternative stations out there. I just wish that the stations in this market would strive for some unique identity instead of playing it as safely as they do.. I wish I had a nickel for every time G Rock Radio plays Green Day or Ten-era Pearl Jam, or that damn teenybopper pop/punk drivel - I would have enough money to buy the stations!

My point is that some stations are more advertiser-friendly than others. WRAT and G Rock Radio play a mix of tried-and-true songs that have far more appeal to the advertisers than the listeners who have to be sick of most of these songs by now - I am, and I don't listen as much as you would think. If they would take some hints from good Alternative stations and listenable Active Rockers (WZBH - 93.5 The Beach in Delaware is a great example), the ratings would improve and the advertisers would stay on as well. WZBH combines familiar tracks with a deep selection of currents - they manage to work in lots of edgier rock and some semi-obscure tracks to keep from sounding stale, unlike the stations out here. This station is much more listener-friendly than WRAT and G Rock Radio.

Yes, radio is a business, and for the most part many stations out there operate with a very bland take on their format of choice. But you can't say that all commercial radio is boring - there are some exceptions out there.