G101 and B94.5 - how about a serious comparison

[Spackler1]

Let's see if we can get a fact-based, non-biased compare/contrast discussion on B94.5 and G101. Leave the personal jabs, irrelevant information, and sarcastic comments out.

With those rules, I can't comment, but how about a real meat-and-potatos thread on this topic. Like, how do they compare with regard to music, rotations, jocks, and general execution of the format?
Really, I don't listen to either enough to have a really informed opinion, but I'm sure some people here do, or at least will for a day or two for the purpose of this discussion.

 

[shilton]

Let's see if we can get a fact-based, non-biased compare/contrast discussion on B94.5 and G101. Leave the personal jabs, irrelevant information, and sarcastic comments out.

With those rules, I can't comment, but how about a real meat-and-potatos thread on this topic. Like, how do they compare with regard to music, rotations, jocks, and general execution of the format?
Really, I don't listen to either enough to have a really informed opinion, but I'm sure some people here do, or at least will for a day or two for the purpose of this discussion.

I won't comment on music rotations, as everyone will just say I am biased anyway, but I think G101 has a serious edge as far as specialty programming goes. We have Open House Party, Hollywood Hamilton as well as offerings from MTV & Fox all in our corner plus a live broadcast from LuLu's on Friday Nights. Does not leave much as far as "weekend progrmming" goes for a direct competitor to pick up. Unless they want to run Rick Dees or Ryan Seacrest, not much else that I am aware of worth carrying.

As for jocks, the two they have sound a bit "wet behind the ears" if you ask me. Amy was fine as a side-kick on Hot, but does not sound like she is really prepared at this juncture to be the host of her own show. The afternoon guy just sounds like its his first day in front of a mic. Maybe in time the two of them will "firm up", but so far I feel more like I am listening to college radio dj's than real pros. And the "no talk workday" doesn't send me into orbit either. Even XM and Siruis have jocks because they do add to the mix. I think they may want to spend a little time airchecking the staff the've got and get a few more voicetrackers in their corner as well.

I remember growing up listening to Pittsburgh's B-94. The jocks and the programming on that station helped inspire me to get into this business in the first place. When I think of that B-94 and this one and I realize that the guy at the helm at B94.5 is the very same man who led the reigns at B94, I guess I expected more excitement but that's hard to recreate with virtually no air-staff at all.

The station is still very new, so I am reserving final jugement...but Hot 103 was a very well programmed station (musically, formatically and talent-wise as well). I am not sure that the "B" is as well put together, at least not yet. But I love the fact that they resurrected the WBHV calls and the "B" name, as I think those were the days when 103.1 was in its hey-day. That was also "Galli's Baby" so I am sure for him, its a bit of a homecoming.

Competition always breeds fun and creativity in this business. I welcome them to the dial.

 

[Spackler1]

Based on this thread and the response or lack thereof, I have developed a theory. The theory is this: people bash G101 or B94.5, G101 especially, based on nothing. No constructive criticizm on this thread, because nobody really has an informed opinion.

 

[revbabe]

Hey Spack....


Also its interesting how the posts are from a DJ that was fired/resigned/left and is in another state and a newspaper reporter.

Your posts are refreshing thanks! You are the Yoda of the board......

 

[pilot]

Hey Spack....


Also its interesting how the posts are from a DJ that was fired/resigned/left and is in another state and a newspaper reporter.

Your posts are refreshing thanks! You are the Yoda of the board......

I'm batman

 

[Spackler1]

Hey Spack....


Also its interesting how the posts are from a DJ that was fired/resigned/left and is in another state and a newspaper reporter.

Your posts are refreshing thanks! You are the Yoda of the board......

I'm batman

Hold on a minute here. You get to be Batman and I'm freakin' Yoda?

How is that fair?

I have Jedi skills. I take some comfort in that.

 

[pilot]

Your posts are refreshing thanks! You are the Yoda of the board......
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I'm batman
[/quote]

Hold on a minute here. You get to be Batman and I'm freakin' Yoda?

How is that fair?

I have Jedi skills. I take some comfort in that.
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Think of it as being like Robin only not gay.

 

[revbabe]

I meant wise and a mentor...

 

[Becker]

Your posts are refreshing thanks! You are the Yoda of the board......

So is that MUPPET Yoda from Episodes IV, V and VI or new and improved DIGITAL Yoda in Episodes I, II and III?

 

[pilot]

Your posts are refreshing thanks! You are the Yoda of the board......

So is that MUPPET Yoda from Episodes IV, V and VI or new and improved DIGITAL Yoda in Episodes I, II and III?

Yoda would make a great jock however. Have to be on the graveyard shift though when all the freaks come out.

 

[Spackler1]

How about the old guy from Kung Fu? You know, snatch the pebble from my hand? He was a wise mentor too. But blind.

 

[revbabe]

Well if I admit to knowing who David Carideen is then that dates me. Plus if you think about it and saw "Kill Bill" one, or two, that whole thing is shot to hell. So yes Spack you are indeed pre kill Bill wise whiteguy pretending to be an Asian kung fu expert with the wisdom and terpitude to bring this board to solice. So says an undated ex DJ, sales smuck, bean counter....

DISS-CLAIMER: No one intended a "diss" here or in any other posts made by revbabe.com (check out my site for really cool stuff revbabe.com, revbabe.com). It was a weak attempt at humor. The term DJ is loosely used here and means a person who is on the radio. If they need to have a title to make themselves feel a whole please insert one here __________ . Need more info? Please visit my website for EEO details and also to figure out which radio station to listen to today. ( I was driving into work and had to turn around the other day. You see, I forgot to surf the internet and plan my radio listening for the trip. I went straight home and within ten minutes found a real purty website. I again left the house now assured I could turn on that radio and find a radio station that appealed to me. After all it had a proper and well programed website........

 

[ameyer]

After listening to both stations here is what I think.

B94.5: Jocks are a little wet behind the ears, but with the right training could be fabulous.

Music Selection is good, maybe leaning a little heavy on some of the older stuff.

I do think the no talk workday is kinda stupid, and maybe the person who wrote the imaging script should be shot. Voiceguy, I know a 5 year old that sounds just as good if not better.

G101: All of the jocks are great, they need to do a little more promoting of the station on the air more.

Music selection is good, again maybe leaning a little too heavy on the oldies

Ace and TJ could be a dominating factor in the market.

Steve mentioned the canned shows, great and all but that is just one day a week so the rest of the week has to sound just as good, which I think is close but could still use a little work.

All and all I think both stations could share a healthy chunk of the shares in State College, they both need a little work, but it can be done.

Serious Question: Does anybody think that 3WZ's new approach is going to help them or did they kill a good thing?

 

[Hermes]

Ace and TJ could be a dominating factor in the market<----says it all

 

[Spackler1]

Ace and TJ could be a dominating factor in the market<----says it all

I'm interested to hear your opinion on the two stations.

 

[talkr]

Serious Question: Does anybody think that 3WZ's new approach is going to help them or did they kill a good thing?

What is 3WZ's new approach?

 

[shilton]

Serious Question: Does anybody think that 3WZ's new approach is going to help them or did they kill a good thing?

What is 3WZ's new approach?

How'z the slogan go...the best of the 90's 2K and today? Sounds a little "campy" to me. Whatever happened to "the Best Music Mix" or the best of the 90's and now or something along those lines. Also, seems to me that with 3-WZ sounding more CHR than Hot A/C These days, the jocks may sometimes be fish out of water. Granted, I am no spring chicken myself but Grant and Dave just do not have the CHR type delivery on-air to be able to properly pull off some of the songs that have snuck into the mix these days. Could be me...but seems kinda weird to hear those guys selling Panic as the Disco and stuff like that.

I think 3-WZ will do well because it always does...always has. They are marketed very well (Newschannel 4, nice frequent ads in the CDT, etc) But seems to me that they are slowly losing the roots that made them so successful in the first place all those years ago. Maybe that is why Lite 99 has done so well. They more or less filled the void that 3-WZ created when they started tinkering with the format a few years back?

 

[pilot]

Serious Question: Does anybody think that 3WZ's new approach is going to help them or did they kill a good thing?

What is 3WZ's new approach?

How'z the slogan go...the best of the 90's 2K and today? Sounds a little "campy" to me. Whatever happened to "the Best Music Mix" or the best of the 90's and now or something along those lines. Also, seems to me that with 3-WZ sounding more CHR than Hot A/C These days, the jocks may sometimes be fish out of water. Granted, I am no spring chicken myself but Grant and Dave just do not have the CHR type delivery on-air to be able to properly pull off some of the songs that have snuck into the mix these days. Could be me...but seems kinda weird to hear those guys selling Panic as the Disco and stuff like that.

I think 3-WZ will do well because it always does...always has. They are marketed very well (Newschannel 4, nice frequent ads in the CDT, etc) But seems to me that they are slowly losing the roots that made them so successful in the first place all those years ago. Maybe that is why Lite 99 has done so well. They more or less filled the void that 3-WZ created when they started tinkering with the format a few years back?

Campy? Sounds pretty hip to me. Jocks sound great, as always. You should let their jocks critique you! Maybe you'd learn something.

 

[ameyer]

I think Steve has a few good points:

1. Why fix something that ain't broken? 3WZ was the powerhouse in this market top 3 everytime behind Froggy and The Bus. Why tinker? Sure when Forever launched Beaver 103 they may have adjusted a little but they still beat the snot out of them.

2. I think that they should have dropped a lot of the 80's hits, a lot of oldies station (what's left of them) are starting to play 80's stuff. Def Leppard is considered Classic Rock now. Though I really don't think that dumping the format all together was a smart idea.

3. Even though 3WZ has a very strong sounding air staff, some of them just don't fit the format, Needless to say Jason Jackson never sounded good on a Hot A/C it just wasn't his game. He did ok on 103 while he was there, I think 3WZ did a great job on grooming him and he is a strong sounding CHR night jock right now, and with a little tinkering with all the airstaff they all could sound CHR in a month or so, but some of the jokes are LAME!!!!!

My big question would be this, do we really need 3 CHR's?

Did 3WZ go CHR to compete with GMR after JHT was gotten rid of?

Does anybody notice that 94.5 seems to be a throwaway advertising wise?

The real answer is none of us really know what is going on from station to station and we will not know until the book comes out.

Ace and TJ could be a dominating factor in the market<----says it all

and I agree with Spack on this, lets hear what you have to say, you know do a little comparing, don't be a smartass and don't be bias. If you can walk the walk I would love to hear what you have to say. If you can't then keep your mouth shut and your fingers off the keyboard.

 

[revbabe]

I remember a few years ago the guys from another station were in a parade that we were in. We were revolution at the time. We had the hummer full of fun outgoing people throwing candy and shirts out. The other stations people were two middle aged plump men with too tight radio guy shirts. They both wore caps pulled down and were hiding behind facial har and sunglasses. (I think one even had a pleather Members only jacket on) They drove the traded mercedes and looked straight ahead never moving at all. The driver even wore driving gloves like it was part of his image. I remember that that year was a good year for us, and not so much for them as they claimed.

My point here is that that day I looked at the two pudgy uncomfortable little guys and understood that they were casting off the whole "I dont care to be here " and "I am a radio -insert angels singing here- personlality"

To this day it stuck with me that they failed that day. They could of taken off the dark shades and mixed with people.

I was in a bargain store the other day and heard 3WZ for about 20 minutes. It is now a CHR. Thats stupid. And the stupidity continues in the above posts. The jocks are Ok, but not in any way deserve status as mentors to the rest of the region, no way.

They are scripted and stale in my opinion. They have been scripted for so long that when they attempt to go outside the safe zone of the read they fail. Will Lite pick up all the listeners that 3WZ has run from? Absolutley. Is it hard to be a voice tracked AC jock? No. How about a CHR jock? Yes.

Pilot, your plane has crashed. You make a sweeping call here that will not hold water. 94.5 sounds OK but can Don sell it, so far no. 3WZ sounds like a AC trying to be the hip new kid. I enjoy the G101 jocks, but Steve gets slammed on this board when he has any opinion. Nobody busted on him when he was PD of 103 and had much higher numbers then PDs that had the same gig but shall remain nameless for fragile ego reasons here. Dave McCall on G101 carrys 20 plus years also in radio, alot of them programming top rated CHRs right here. AJ is solid. His time at Clear Channel in the big cities have honed him. So it looks like a combined 50 years or so of CHR experience right there... the majority of that time local.