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G4000A question

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I am thinking about buying one and wanted to hear any feedback about the Grundig G4000A, its performance, flaws and user satisfaction. I have been using a Mini 300 for portable DXing for the last year, but I don't really care for the frequency drift. Any comments?
 
Not to make your decision more complicated, but there are a number of other excellent receivers in the G4000A price range bearing the Tecsun, Kaito & Eton nameplates.

Sorry, but I have no personal experience with the G4000A.
 
1st of 5 said:
I am thinking about buying one and wanted to hear any feedback about the Grundig G4000A, its performance, flaws and user satisfaction. I have been using a Mini 300 for portable DXing for the last year, but I don't really care for the frequency drift. Any comments?
The Mini 300 is a good radio but I would prefer the G6 model. That's the only one I have experience with.
 
I have read some rather disappointing reviews, submitted by various users, of the Eton (a substandard Chicom copy of a Grundig), Tecsun and Kaito brand SW receivers in G Hauser's DXLD website. I would rather stick with a brand that has or had a good reputation for quality, like Sangean, Sony and Grundig. There's a pretty good offer for the G4000A going on now at Universal Radio. I like my Grundig Mini300, but it has no SSB, limited band coverage and frequency drift. I was just wondering if the G4000A suffers from the same freq drift, since they are all made in China now.
 
1st of 5 said:
I have read some rather disappointing reviews, submitted by various users, of the Eton (a substandard Chicom copy of a Grundig), Tecsun and Kaito brand SW receivers in G Hauser's DXLD website. I would rather stick with a brand that has or had a good reputation for quality, like Sangean, Sony and Grundig. There's a pretty good offer for the G4000A going on now at Universal Radio. I like my Grundig Mini300, but it has no SSB, limited band coverage and frequency drift. I was just wondering if the G4000A suffers from the same freq drift, since they are all made in China now.

Your comment broadbrushes the Tecsun and Kaito brands and you are wrong about the Eton/Grundig relationship. Let me enlighten you a bit:

1) It depends on which Tecsun radio you buy and what you use it for. The new PL-310 and PL-380 (and Grundig G8 - made by Tecsun) models are unbeatable when it comes to FM reception. Seriously head and shoulders above the G4000A (I know because I have the PL-310 and I have a G4000A). As far as AM reception goes, some complain about the soft mute function of the PL-310 - but I find the AM and SW reception to be fine. tecsun just came out with a PL-390, which I am dying to find out more about.

2) Kaito doesn't make any radios - most are rebranded Chinese Degen radios. And some of the Kaito/Degen radios have pretty good performance. The KA1103/DE1103 has a funky layout but performs very well. The KA1101/DE1101 is okay; the KA1102/DE1102 is one of the least expensive radios to offer SSB and it performs very well on AM and SW - ok on FM.

3) The Eton corporation bought the naming rights to Grundig. They rebranded former Eton radios as Grundig in the USA; but they are still sold as Eton in Europe (where they don't own the Grundig trademark). Furthermore, the Grundigs are all made in China, including your G4000A. And, there's nothing wrong with that because the Chinese are coming out with some of the best and most innovative radios right now. The Grundig G3 and G5 are made by Degen, the G8 is a rebranded Tecsun and I am not sure who makes the G6. But Degen, Tecsun and Redsun are often made side by side in the PRC.

4) Many of those reviews are full of crap - if I may be so blunt. In other words, some are written by people who have little context as to what's good and what's not or, on the other hand, who have unrealistic expectations. Do a little more research and check out eham.net's review section. It seems to be more accurate than the website that you cited - perhaps because of the number of reviews listed there. Check out dxer.ca too.

Opinions are what they are. And, whether a given radio is "good" or not depends on what sort of dxing you want to do and even where you live. Remember, some radios shine when you're far away from strong transmitters because they are very sensitive, but not selective; others are great even in an area crowded with strong signals. It is in this latter environment that the most recent Tecsun models seem to be head and shoulders of the rest.

Personally, I find the G4000A to be just okay. It's a competent radio which offers decent reception. It's not my best radio and it's far from my worst. It's somewhat selective and pretty sensitive, but not as good as a radio with a DSP chip. The speaker has a nice sound, which is good. But, it's not fun to use. The digital tuning and resultant chuffing while tuning are tiresome and have me reaching for my G5 or Tecsun PL-600, each of which have equally good reception (if not better) - yet with a tuning knob. That's just my opinion. The G4000A is nice, but there are other options out there. It all depends on what you want to do.

But your view of Eton/Grundig/Tecsun, etc is not correct. They are putting out some pretty decent radios.
 
If these SW radios are so great, then where does one purchase them from? I don't see Tecsun or Degen brand radios offered by Universal Radio or see any at Amazon.com.
 
1st of 5 said:
If these SW radios are so great, then where does one purchase them from? I don't see Tecsun or Degen brand radios offered by Universal Radio or see any at Amazon.com.

Degen radios are sold in the USA under the Kaito name. The Tecsun PL-300WT is sold here as the Grundig G8 and is easy to find for less than $50 (and well worth it - I did well and paid $39). The newer Tecsun PL-310, PL-380 and others are less than one year on the market in China and are (at the moment) only available from ebay sellers based in Hong Kong. As dodgy as that may sound, many sellers there (such as Anon co) are very reliable and I can personally vouch for them.

The Tecsun PL-600 is available on Amazon and I just bought one from them a couple of months ago. I really like it, though it doesn't have the DSP chip or selectivity of the amazing PL-310 and its stablemates. Realistically, the best new worldband radios are coming out of China now and manufactured by the likes of Tecsun, Degen, Redsun, and Kchibo. Sony, long revered in SW radio circles, has phased out most models and isn't doing much these days. As for Sangean, their SW radios get mixed reviews as far as sensitivity is concerned.

Remember, though the names may sound unfamiliar, those odd-sounding companies are actually the ones who make the radios that you know as 'Grundig', 'Kaito', 'Eton' and others. By the way, if the Mini 300 is your benchmark, then you will be pretty pleased with ANY of the radios discussed here.
 
I used to have a radio called the Grundig Yacht Boy 400 or something like that, looked like the G4000. I had good FM, OK AM and SW and the radio quit working a year after I bought it. In addition it had pretty high circuit noise and a lack of a tuning knob was kind of a let down.
 
ddsparxx said:
I used to have a radio called the Grundig Yacht Boy 400 or something like that, looked like the G4000. I had good FM, OK AM and SW and the radio quit working a year after I bought it. In addition it had pretty high circuit noise and a lack of a tuning knob was kind of a let down.

They're pretty much the same thing and you're right - the lack of a tuning knob is tough. Means you have to toggle up and down when surfing the band. Chuff, chuff, chuff. ::)

Frankly, that's one of two things that I also very much dislike about the (to me overrated) Sony ICF7600GR. The other is the lousy FM reception. Yes, it's good on AM and SW, but the G5 or PL-600 are just as good on those bands and much better with FM.
 
Try the Grundig G5. It's $150, but it has superior FM reception and great AM reception. SW is also good.

Unfortunaly I can't really spend the time to get a Sony XDR-F1HD and hook up the big TV antenna up on the roof :D :D

-crainbebo
 
Agreed! I like the G5 - it's a fun radio with good performance.

It seems to pull in just as many signals on AM and SW bands as the Sony and totally outclasses it as far as FM reception is concerned. Only on the LW band does the Sony come out on top, and that band is rarely used here in North America.

What a shame that Grundig/Eton has apparently discontinued the model! However, there are plenty still available via the usual retailers.
 
Thank you all for the informed response, but maybe I should have stated that I was considering the G4000A for SHORTWAVE listening. I don't care about FM, because that's what my home stereo and truck radio are for. As for AM, it really doesn't matter, because due to our proximity to the land of cheap labor, that mostly what I will hear at night, if I choose to scan the AM or MW band. The Mini300 is not my benchmark, its a convenient and sensitive little radio that can't stay on the frequency that its tune to and its a pain to continually retune the thing. I was concerned that if the Chicom, (everything is made there now), can produce such a lousy radio with a formerly famous name, what do they do to the others?
 
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