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Gainesville - Ocala Format Voids

Over the past months there has been casual discussion regarding format voids in the Ocala / Gainesville radio market. I believe now is a good time to expound upon the past suggestions giving everyone who would like to participate an opportunity to go into greater detail regarding any additional existing Gainesville / Ocala format voids.

Previously we have heard from a few participants suggesting that the market is void of a full market CHR, Alternative Rock and Triple A, to name a few.

Today's question is what other format voids exist in market 89?

Be detailed in support of your format choice such as providing what demographic(s) your format will target and how your particular format will attract advertiser support rather than randomly suggest a format that is a personal choice but does not necessarily have a basis for success in attracting listener and advertising support.

I will wait until everyone has had an opportunity to comment before I return with any comments of my own.
 
(1) Adult Standards. WVLG does not fit this anymore.

(2) Sports (local if possible) featuring play-by-play. Hearing coast-to-coast talk about the Jets or USC just doesn't cut it.

cd
 
armandoiazz said:
A station similar to Seaview 104.9 Port Charlotte's Nostalgia Station would be a great fit particularly for Ocala.

Seaview is a good station IMO as far as the music goes....and, owned by Clear Channel, yet!

cd
 
Mark, this is a nearly impossible question to answer because of the geographic oddities of the Gainesville-Ocala market. There are only about six commercial FM stations with signals competitive enough in both Alachua and Marion counties to play on the Upper Level. Then there are another half-dozen-or-so Second Tier stations with signals good enough to impact one of the two counties... then another handful of Third Tier stations (including the bigger AMs) that could play a small-but-legitimate role in either G-ville or Ocala... and finally the little ones that serve more alligators than humans.

The point is, without taking a particular station's capability into consideration, format choices really don't make much sense.

Voids? Whew! Well, if you don't care what kind of stick it's on now--that is, if all stations are created equal--there's really not much on the programming spectrum that isn't already covered. Sometimes 3 or 4 deep.

Korean? Polka?
 
Following up on amfmxm, I don't know why anyone would buy anything in G-O except the major FMs. Pamal and now MARC have done various things with those stations and still the only successful one is Magic and their format predated either of the owners.

I'm assuming WXJZ is making money but if not a simulcast of 92Q in Ocala would give Asterisk a full-market Hot AC.

(101.7 and 106.9 are still one)
 
Dr. Tillery,

When you wrote that the market lacks a "full market CHR," were you referring to Kiss' signal weakness in Ocala? During my time in Gainesville, I remember a Kiss billboard in downtown Ocala (along US-441). During my last drive through Gainesville, about five years ago, I remember hearing liners on Kiss referring to themselves as "Gainesville and Ocala's Hit Music Station." Has Kiss completely stopped targeting Ocala? I know that the signal faded, but I did not think it was all that bad in Ocala.

Thanks!

jmtillery said:
Over the past months there has been casual discussion regarding format voids in the Ocala / Gainesville radio market. I believe now is a good time to expound upon the past suggestions giving everyone who would like to participate an opportunity to go into greater detail regarding any additional existing Gainesville / Ocala format voids.

Previously we have heard from a few participants suggesting that the market is void of a full market CHR, Alternative Rock and Triple A, to name a few.

Today's question is what other format voids exist in market 89?

Be detailed in support of your format choice such as providing what demographic(s) your format will target and how your particular format will attract advertiser support rather than randomly suggest a format that is a personal choice but does not necessarily have a basis for success in attracting listener and advertising support.

I will wait until everyone has had an opportunity to comment before I return with any comments of my own.
 
I LIVED IN OCALA FOR 8 YEARS. KISS CAME IN PERFECTLY IN THE CAR-WHICH IS WHERE MOST PEOPLE LISTEN TO THE RADIO, IN CASE YOU FORGOT !

quote author=ScottBurns link=topic=222327.msg2007038#msg2007038 date=1352938828]
Dr. Tillery,

When you wrote that the market lacks a "full market CHR," were you referring to Kiss' signal weakness in Ocala? During my time in Gainesville, I remember a Kiss billboard in downtown Ocala (along US-441). During my last drive through Gainesville, about five years ago, I remember hearing liners on Kiss referring to themselves as "Gainesville and Ocala's Hit Music Station." Has Kiss completely stopped targeting Ocala? I know that the signal faded, but I did not think it was all that bad in Ocala.

Thanks!

jmtillery said:
Over the past months there has been casual discussion regarding format voids in the Ocala / Gainesville radio market. I believe now is a good time to expound upon the past suggestions giving everyone who would like to participate an opportunity to go into greater detail regarding any additional existing Gainesville / Ocala format voids.

Previously we have heard from a few participants suggesting that the market is void of a full market CHR, Alternative Rock and Triple A, to name a few.

Today's question is what other format voids exist in market 89?

Be detailed in support of your format choice such as providing what demographic(s) your format will target and how your particular format will attract advertiser support rather than randomly suggest a format that is a personal choice but does not necessarily have a basis for success in attracting listener and advertising support.

I will wait until everyone has had an opportunity to comment before I return with any comments of my own.
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I remembering hearing Kiss nicely in the car while driving in Ocala. There are some powerhouse signals in the Gainesville-Ocala market. It is too bad that Kiss is not one of them. It is a great CHR - and still very local. One of the most impressive signals has to be WOGK/K-Country 93.7. I have picked it up in Tampa and even Daytona. There are parts of Orlando in which the signal is crystal clear.
 
I had planned to comment sooner; however, as with most things, I’ve been busy lately with business, so that comes first.

In my original comments, I had asked about any market format voids that currently exist that may be implemented on a full market signal.

I’ve read all the comments and I’d like to thank everyone for their input. As promised, here are my comments relating to the Gainesville / Ocala radio market;

First I’ll address the comment relating to WYKS:

At best WYKS provides a limited rim-shot signal over Ocala since the 70 and 60 dBu service contour falls short of Ocala by about 20 +/- miles. While this does very little, if anything, for Ocala, the 105.3 signal covers Gainesville almost perfectly and has a large following, filling the Gainesville CHR void for over 30 years, having become hit radio in late 1981. In summary, WYKS is not and never will, under current FCC rules, provide full market coverage.

Regarding the current market format voids, there are several as follows:

CHR: While WYKS is an excellent Gainesville hit radio station, for reasons mentioned above, it is not a full market station. WMFQ Ocala is attempting to fill the CHR void in Marion County with hot adult contemporary or faux CHR. However neither station covers the complete full market while both stations do have its own respective advantage by having the ability and opportunity to super-serve Gainesville and Ocala respectively. If CHR were to be placed on a full market stick, we will see tremendous ratings gains in the format accompanied with impressive billing in less than one year.

News-Talk: it can be argued that WSKY is filling this void by providing news-talk on FM covering the entire market. While this is partially true, WSKY is the default number one news-talk on FM outlet due to the fact it is the only news-talk station that comes close to serving the entire market. Another advantage WSKY has is the fact its programming consist of first tier syndication interspersed with impressive local programming. It has the right mix of syndicated and local talk along with national and local news content. WSKY has many excellent qualities; however, the truth is, while 97.3 covers Gainesville virtually flawlessly, same as with WYKS, WSKY is another rim-shot station as it relates to Ocala. Same as with CHR, if this format were to be placed on a full-market signal, it would not take long before the ratings will surpass that of WSKY.

All News: This one is a no brainer considering news is number one across the nation and no one is providing full-time news in the market. And while it is expensive to produce and program all news the same way as WCBS, WINS, WBBM and KNX, a balanced mix of syndicated national news interspersed with local content can provide the same imaging as a big time major market all-news radio outlet. All news on either a full market FM or AM has WINNER written all over it.

Adult Standards / MOR / Easy Listening: These are actually two different formats comprising of Adult Standards / MOR and Easy Listening / Soft Adult Contemporary. While adult standards / MOR is best suited for a local Ocala area AM station, a full market Easy Listening format on FM will produce impressive ratings and billing, especially in the Ocala / Marion County area although there is a market for the format in Gainesville and Alachua County as well. Easy Listening is making a comeback as we have seen with WDUV Tampa Bay and WFEZ Miami. And with the baby boomers aging and many retiring to Florida, and the Gainesville / Ocala area, this format is perfect for attracting this desirable demographic.

Block Programming / Time Brokered: Most everyone seems to argue this as a wasted format that does not belong on the radio. Before anyone criticizes “Pay-For-Play” consider the fact there are many AM stations across the state and across the country that will never gain any meaningful ratings nor produce any meaningful billing considering the number of much stronger signals in any given radio market. For these signals, time brokered radio or what is more commonly referred to as “Pay-For-Play”, is the best, and in many cases, only format choice available. While time brokered radio is not a ratings gainer, nor is it designed to be, it does provide a service to advertisers who desire more than the typical 30 or 60 second commercial announcement to tell a story and sell products and services. This type programming does work and does produce sales for the advertisers and also produces revenue for stations that otherwise would have no choice but to go off the air. And, it is never in the public interest or station owner’s interest to permanently sign a station off the air.

To summarize, there are multiple formats, even ones that I have not specifically pointed out, that are available and will fill an existing market void. Select formats have more growth potential than others; however, all have the potential to meet and exceed market expectations, which include radio listener choice and advertiser select demographic targeting.
 
At best WYKS provides a limited rim-shot signal over Ocala since the 70 and 60 dBu service contour falls short of Ocala by about 20 +/- miles.

20 miles is impressive. No co-channel issues?
 
jmtillery said:
Regarding the current market format voids, there are several as follows:

CHR: While WYKS is an excellent Gainesville hit radio station, for reasons mentioned above, it is not a full market station. WMFQ Ocala is attempting to fill the CHR void in Marion County with hot adult contemporary or faux CHR. However neither station covers the complete full market while both stations do have its own respective advantage by having the ability and opportunity to super-serve Gainesville and Ocala respectively. If CHR were to be placed on a full market stick, we will see tremendous ratings gains in the format accompanied with impressive billing in less than one year.

News-Talk: it can be argued that WSKY is filling this void by providing news-talk on FM covering the entire market. While this is partially true, WSKY is the default number one news-talk on FM outlet due to the fact it is the only news-talk station that comes close to serving the entire market. Another advantage WSKY has is the fact its programming consist of first tier syndication interspersed with impressive local programming. It has the right mix of syndicated and local talk along with national and local news content. WSKY has many excellent qualities; however, the truth is, while 97.3 covers Gainesville virtually flawlessly, same as with WYKS, WSKY is another rim-shot station as it relates to Ocala. Same as with CHR, if this format were to be placed on a full-market signal, it would not take long before the ratings will surpass that of WSKY.

All News: This one is a no brainer considering news is number one across the nation and no one is providing full-time news in the market. And while it is expensive to produce and program all news the same way as WCBS, WINS, WBBM and KNX, a balanced mix of syndicated national news interspersed with local content can provide the same imaging as a big time major market all-news radio outlet. All news on either a full market FM or AM has WINNER written all over it.

Adult Standards / MOR / Easy Listening: These are actually two different formats comprising of Adult Standards / MOR and Easy Listening / Soft Adult Contemporary. While adult standards / MOR is best suited for a local Ocala area AM station, a full market Easy Listening format on FM will produce impressive ratings and billing, especially in the Ocala / Marion County area although there is a market for the format in Gainesville and Alachua County as well. Easy Listening is making a comeback as we have seen with WDUV Tampa Bay and WFEZ Miami. And with the baby boomers aging and many retiring to Florida, and the Gainesville / Ocala area, this format is perfect for attracting this desirable demographic.

Block Programming / Time Brokered: Most everyone seems to argue this as a wasted format that does not belong on the radio. Before anyone criticizes “Pay-For-Play” consider the fact there are many AM stations across the state and across the country that will never gain any meaningful ratings nor produce any meaningful billing considering the number of much stronger signals in any given radio market. For these signals, time brokered radio or what is more commonly referred to as “Pay-For-Play”, is the best, and in many cases, only format choice available. While time brokered radio is not a ratings gainer, nor is it designed to be, it does provide a service to advertisers who desire more than the typical 30 or 60 second commercial announcement to tell a story and sell products and services. This type programming does work and does produce sales for the advertisers and also produces revenue for stations that otherwise would have no choice but to go off the air. And, it is never in the public interest or station owner’s interest to permanently sign a station off the air.

Urban/Chrban. Magic 101.3 does very well despite being a rimshot into both Gainesville and Ocala. They do so well that I never would have believed it possible had I not seen it for myself over many ratings books. Any full market station with a reasonable Urban or CHR/Urban hybrid format should be able to take 90% of Magic's audience, plus derive a lot of new listeners that won't even try to listen to Magic's weak signal presently.
 
ok walters said:
You got too much time on your hands, Mark. ;D ;D

Thank you. As a consultant and media broker, it's my job to have "too much time on my hands". I'll let you figure out why.
 
Kmagrill said:
jmtillery said:
Regarding the current market format voids, there are several as follows:

CHR: While WYKS is an excellent Gainesville hit radio station, for reasons mentioned above, it is not a full market station. WMFQ Ocala is attempting to fill the CHR void in Marion County with hot adult contemporary or faux CHR. However neither station covers the complete full market while both stations do have its own respective advantage by having the ability and opportunity to super-serve Gainesville and Ocala respectively. If CHR were to be placed on a full market stick, we will see tremendous ratings gains in the format accompanied with impressive billing in less than one year.

News-Talk: it can be argued that WSKY is filling this void by providing news-talk on FM covering the entire market. While this is partially true, WSKY is the default number one news-talk on FM outlet due to the fact it is the only news-talk station that comes close to serving the entire market. Another advantage WSKY has is the fact its programming consist of first tier syndication interspersed with impressive local programming. It has the right mix of syndicated and local talk along with national and local news content. WSKY has many excellent qualities; however, the truth is, while 97.3 covers Gainesville virtually flawlessly, same as with WYKS, WSKY is another rim-shot station as it relates to Ocala. Same as with CHR, if this format were to be placed on a full-market signal, it would not take long before the ratings will surpass that of WSKY.

All News: This one is a no brainer considering news is number one across the nation and no one is providing full-time news in the market. And while it is expensive to produce and program all news the same way as WCBS, WINS, WBBM and KNX, a balanced mix of syndicated national news interspersed with local content can provide the same imaging as a big time major market all-news radio outlet. All news on either a full market FM or AM has WINNER written all over it.

Adult Standards / MOR / Easy Listening: These are actually two different formats comprising of Adult Standards / MOR and Easy Listening / Soft Adult Contemporary. While adult standards / MOR is best suited for a local Ocala area AM station, a full market Easy Listening format on FM will produce impressive ratings and billing, especially in the Ocala / Marion County area although there is a market for the format in Gainesville and Alachua County as well. Easy Listening is making a comeback as we have seen with WDUV Tampa Bay and WFEZ Miami. And with the baby boomers aging and many retiring to Florida, and the Gainesville / Ocala area, this format is perfect for attracting this desirable demographic.

Block Programming / Time Brokered: Most everyone seems to argue this as a wasted format that does not belong on the radio. Before anyone criticizes “Pay-For-Play” consider the fact there are many AM stations across the state and across the country that will never gain any meaningful ratings nor produce any meaningful billing considering the number of much stronger signals in any given radio market. For these signals, time brokered radio or what is more commonly referred to as “Pay-For-Play”, is the best, and in many cases, only format choice available. While time brokered radio is not a ratings gainer, nor is it designed to be, it does provide a service to advertisers who desire more than the typical 30 or 60 second commercial announcement to tell a story and sell products and services. This type programming does work and does produce sales for the advertisers and also produces revenue for stations that otherwise would have no choice but to go off the air. And, it is never in the public interest or station owner’s interest to permanently sign a station off the air.

Urban/Chrban. Magic 101.3 does very well despite being a rimshot into both Gainesville and Ocala. They do so well that I never would have believed it possible had I not seen it for myself over many ratings books. Any full market station with a reasonable Urban or CHR/Urban hybrid format should be able to take 90% of Magic's audience, plus derive a lot of new listeners that won't even try to listen to Magic's weak signal presently.

I'm glad you pointed that out. I was going to mention urban separately, but included as a form of CHR. Urban, Churban or even adult urban such as a Star 94.5 presentation should do just as well.
 
musiconradio.com said:
At best WYKS provides a limited rim-shot signal over Ocala since the 70 and 60 dBu service contour falls short of Ocala by about 20 +/- miles.

20 miles is impressive. No co-channel issues?

WYKS does have a pretty impressive signal considering its limitations unlike many other class A FMs.
 
A bit off topic, but looking at the maps, a class A located smack dab in the middle between the G and the O would produce 60dbu in both cities, not competative against a class C, but nice for a station with a unique format. That might be a good spot for some of the underpowered stations to be...if mileage spacings would allow it. Think, 99.1, the only station to cover both Baltimore and Washington, DC.
 
WITH LIMBAUGH AND LOCAL HOSTS WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE AIR FOR 10 YEARS. YOU THINK SOMEONE'S EASILY GOING TO BEAT WSKY ?! WITH WHO ?!?!?!?!?!
jmtillery said:
I had planned to comment sooner; however, as with most things, I’ve been busy lately with business, so that comes first.



At best WYKS provides a limited rim-shot signal over Ocala since the 70 and 60 dBu service contour falls short of Ocala by about 20 +/- miles. While this does very little, if anything, for Ocala, the 105.3 signal covers Gainesville almost perfectly and has a large following, filling the Gainesville CHR void for over 30 years, having become hit radio in late 1981. In summary, WYKS is not and never will, under current FCC rules, provide full market coverage.

Regarding the current market format voids, there are several as follows:

CHR: While WYKS is an excellent Gainesville hit radio station, for reasons mentioned above, it is not a full market station. WMFQ Ocala is attempting to fill the CHR void in Marion County with hot adult contemporary or faux CHR. However neither station covers the complete full market while both stations do have its own respective advantage by having the ability and opportunity to super-serve Gainesville and Ocala respectively. If CHR were to be placed on a full market stick, we will see tremendous ratings gains in the format accompanied with impressive billing in less than one year.

News-Talk: it can be argued that WSKY is filling this void by providing news-talk on FM covering the entire market. While this is partially true, WSKY is the default number one news-talk on FM outlet due to the fact it is the only news-talk station that comes close to serving the entire market. Another advantage WSKY has is the fact its programming consist of first tier syndication interspersed with impressive local programming. It has the right mix of syndicated and local talk along with national and local news content. WSKY has many excellent qualities; however, the truth is, while 97.3 covers Gainesville virtually flawlessly, same as with WYKS, WSKY is another rim-shot station as it relates to Ocala. Same as with CHR, if this format were to be placed on a full-market signal, it would not take long before the ratings will surpass that of WSKY.

All News: This one is a no brainer considering news is number one across the nation and no one is providing full-time news in the market. And while it is expensive to produce and program all news the same way as WCBS, WINS, WBBM and KNX, a balanced mix of syndicated national news interspersed with local content can provide the same imaging as a big time major market all-news radio outlet. All news on either a full market FM or AM has WINNER written all over it.

Adult Standards / MOR / Easy Listening: These are actually two different formats comprising of Adult Standards / MOR and Easy Listening / Soft Adult Contemporary. While adult standards / MOR is best suited for a local Ocala area AM station, a full market Easy Listening format on FM will produce impressive ratings and billing, especially in the Ocala / Marion County area although there is a market for the format in Gainesville and Alachua County as well. Easy Listening is making a comeback as we have seen with WDUV Tampa Bay and WFEZ Miami. And with the baby boomers aging and many retiring to Florida, and the Gainesville / Ocala area, this format is perfect for attracting this desirable demographic.

Block Programming / Time Brokered: Most everyone seems to argue this as a wasted format that does not belong on the radio. Before anyone criticizes “Pay-For-Play” consider the fact there are many AM stations across the state and across the country that will never gain any meaningful ratings nor produce any meaningful billing considering the number of much stronger signals in any given radio market. For these signals, time brokered radio or what is more commonly referred to as “Pay-For-Play”, is the best, and in many cases, only format choice available. While time brokered radio is not a ratings gainer, nor is it designed to be, it does provide a service to advertisers who desire more than the typical 30 or 60 second commercial announcement to tell a story and sell products and services. This type programming does work and does produce sales for the advertisers and also produces revenue for stations that otherwise would have no choice but to go off the air. And, it is never in the public interest or station owner’s interest to permanently sign a station off the air.

To summarize, there are multiple formats, even ones that I have not specifically pointed out, that are available and will fill an existing market void. Select formats have more growth potential than others; however, all have the potential to meet and exceed market expectations, which include radio listener choice and advertiser select demographic targeting.
 
jmtillery said:
ok walters said:
You got too much time on your hands, Mark. ;D ;D

Thank you. As a consultant and media broker, it's my job to have "too much time on my hands". I'll let you figure out why.

No need to figure out why. You are a true radio expert no doubt, but with lots of time to pontificate about something no one asked about. Isn't that what consultants do? :D :D
 
ok walters said:
jmtillery said:
ok walters said:
You got too much time on your hands, Mark. ;D ;D

Thank you. As a consultant and media broker, it's my job to have "too much time on my hands". I'll let you figure out why.

No need to figure out why. You are a true radio expert no doubt, but with lots of time to pontificate about something no one asked about. Isn't that what consultants do? :D :D


By posing questions and studying the results, experts become better experts....
 
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