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> See the story:
>
> http://www.nbc5i.com/travelgetaways/7996494/detail.html
>
I read the article, and it amazes me why we dont have more stations in this town that try to sell to the LGBT market. Its a virtually untapped goldmine and its odd we dont see radio/tv/print sales folks in this town going after the business.
>
> http://www.nbc5i.com/travelgetaways/7996494/detail.html
>
I read the article, and it amazes me why we dont have more stations in this town that try to sell to the LGBT market. Its a virtually untapped goldmine and its odd we dont see radio/tv/print sales folks in this town going after the business.
> I read the article, and it amazes me why we dont have more
> stations in this town that try to sell to the LGBT market.
> Its a virtually untapped goldmine and its odd we dont see
> radio/tv/print sales folks in this town going after the
> business.
>
You DO realize you're talking about a market in TEXAS don't you? The state where, on my way into work in the morning, I see at least a dozen vehicles with "W '04" stickers on their back windows. They don't believe in that lifestyle.
*puts on flame proof suit*<P ID="signature">______________
vide0 killed the radi0 star</P>
> stations in this town that try to sell to the LGBT market.
> Its a virtually untapped goldmine and its odd we dont see
> radio/tv/print sales folks in this town going after the
> business.
>
You DO realize you're talking about a market in TEXAS don't you? The state where, on my way into work in the morning, I see at least a dozen vehicles with "W '04" stickers on their back windows. They don't believe in that lifestyle.
*puts on flame proof suit*<P ID="signature">______________
vide0 killed the radi0 star</P>
> > I read the article, and it amazes me why we dont have more
>
> > stations in this town that try to sell to the LGBT market.
>
> > Its a virtually untapped goldmine and its odd we dont see
> > radio/tv/print sales folks in this town going after the
> > business.
> >
>
> You DO realize you're talking about a market in TEXAS don't
> you? The state where, on my way into work in the morning, I
> see at least a dozen vehicles with "W '04" stickers on their
> back windows. They don't believe in that lifestyle.
>
> *puts on flame proof suit*
>
Im aware of that, im just saying this area has one of the largest LGBT populations in the region and people in this business are too cowardice to go out after the money. Go down to oak lawn on any night of the week and you'll see it. Besides, the "dubya" crowd will soon be out on their ear,he's a lame duck who americans as a whole are growing tired of...
>
> > stations in this town that try to sell to the LGBT market.
>
> > Its a virtually untapped goldmine and its odd we dont see
> > radio/tv/print sales folks in this town going after the
> > business.
> >
>
> You DO realize you're talking about a market in TEXAS don't
> you? The state where, on my way into work in the morning, I
> see at least a dozen vehicles with "W '04" stickers on their
> back windows. They don't believe in that lifestyle.
>
> *puts on flame proof suit*
>
Im aware of that, im just saying this area has one of the largest LGBT populations in the region and people in this business are too cowardice to go out after the money. Go down to oak lawn on any night of the week and you'll see it. Besides, the "dubya" crowd will soon be out on their ear,he's a lame duck who americans as a whole are growing tired of...
K
KPLEXCOMPLEX
Guest
> > > I read the article, and it amazes me why we dont have
> more
> >
> > > stations in this town that try to sell to the LGBT
> market.
> >
> > > Its a virtually untapped goldmine and its odd we dont
> see
> > > radio/tv/print sales folks in this town going after the
> > > business.
> > >
> >
> > You DO realize you're talking about a market in TEXAS
> don't
> > you? The state where, on my way into work in the morning,
> I
> > see at least a dozen vehicles with "W '04" stickers on
> their
> > back windows. They don't believe in that lifestyle.
> >
> > *puts on flame proof suit*
> >
> Im aware of that, im just saying this area has one of the
> largest LGBT populations in the region and people in this
> business are too cowardice to go out after the money. Go
> down to oak lawn on any night of the week and you'll see it.
> Besides, the "dubya" crowd will soon be out on their
> ear,he's a lame duck who americans as a whole are growing
> tired of...
>
The Dallas Obsever has advertisements for this community and I believe KNON has some shows geared for them as well. BTW Republicans have quite a few gays in their ranks.Ever hear of the "Log Cabin Republicans"?The Late Terry Dolan (Reagan years) was Founder and President of the "National Conservative Political Action Committtee. He died of Aids related illnesses.Going further back,Roy Cohn
prominent NY attorney and Prinicpal aide to Sen Joseph MCCarthy in the 50's was gay.He too died in a similar way.
> more
> >
> > > stations in this town that try to sell to the LGBT
> market.
> >
> > > Its a virtually untapped goldmine and its odd we dont
> see
> > > radio/tv/print sales folks in this town going after the
> > > business.
> > >
> >
> > You DO realize you're talking about a market in TEXAS
> don't
> > you? The state where, on my way into work in the morning,
> I
> > see at least a dozen vehicles with "W '04" stickers on
> their
> > back windows. They don't believe in that lifestyle.
> >
> > *puts on flame proof suit*
> >
> Im aware of that, im just saying this area has one of the
> largest LGBT populations in the region and people in this
> business are too cowardice to go out after the money. Go
> down to oak lawn on any night of the week and you'll see it.
> Besides, the "dubya" crowd will soon be out on their
> ear,he's a lame duck who americans as a whole are growing
> tired of...
>
The Dallas Obsever has advertisements for this community and I believe KNON has some shows geared for them as well. BTW Republicans have quite a few gays in their ranks.Ever hear of the "Log Cabin Republicans"?The Late Terry Dolan (Reagan years) was Founder and President of the "National Conservative Political Action Committtee. He died of Aids related illnesses.Going further back,Roy Cohn
prominent NY attorney and Prinicpal aide to Sen Joseph MCCarthy in the 50's was gay.He too died in a similar way.
B
brotherjohn
Guest
> > > > I read the article, and it amazes me why we dont have
> > more
> > >
> > > > stations in this town that try to sell to the LGBT
> > market.
> > >
> > > > Its a virtually untapped goldmine and its odd we dont
> > see
> > > > radio/tv/print sales folks in this town going after
> the
> > > > business.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You DO realize you're talking about a market in TEXAS
> > don't
> > > you? The state where, on my way into work in the
> morning,
> > I
> > > see at least a dozen vehicles with "W '04" stickers on
> > their
> > > back windows. They don't believe in that lifestyle.
> > >
> > > *puts on flame proof suit*
> > >
> > Im aware of that, im just saying this area has one of the
> > largest LGBT populations in the region and people in this
> > business are too cowardice to go out after the money. Go
> > down to oak lawn on any night of the week and you'll see
> it.
> > Besides, the "dubya" crowd will soon be out on their
> > ear,he's a lame duck who americans as a whole are growing
> > tired of...
> >
> The Dallas Obsever has advertisements for this community and
> I believe KNON has some shows geared for them as well. BTW
> Republicans have quite a few gays in their ranks.Ever hear
> of the "Log Cabin Republicans"?The Late Terry Dolan (Reagan
> years) was Founder and President of the "National
> Conservative Political Action Committtee. He died of Aids
> related illnesses.Going further back,Roy Cohn
> prominent NY attorney and Prinicpal aide to Sen Joseph
> MCCarthy in the 50's was gay.He too died in a similar way.
>
So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed to die of the AID?<P ID="signature">______________
i'm on a mexican radio</P>
> > more
> > >
> > > > stations in this town that try to sell to the LGBT
> > market.
> > >
> > > > Its a virtually untapped goldmine and its odd we dont
> > see
> > > > radio/tv/print sales folks in this town going after
> the
> > > > business.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You DO realize you're talking about a market in TEXAS
> > don't
> > > you? The state where, on my way into work in the
> morning,
> > I
> > > see at least a dozen vehicles with "W '04" stickers on
> > their
> > > back windows. They don't believe in that lifestyle.
> > >
> > > *puts on flame proof suit*
> > >
> > Im aware of that, im just saying this area has one of the
> > largest LGBT populations in the region and people in this
> > business are too cowardice to go out after the money. Go
> > down to oak lawn on any night of the week and you'll see
> it.
> > Besides, the "dubya" crowd will soon be out on their
> > ear,he's a lame duck who americans as a whole are growing
> > tired of...
> >
> The Dallas Obsever has advertisements for this community and
> I believe KNON has some shows geared for them as well. BTW
> Republicans have quite a few gays in their ranks.Ever hear
> of the "Log Cabin Republicans"?The Late Terry Dolan (Reagan
> years) was Founder and President of the "National
> Conservative Political Action Committtee. He died of Aids
> related illnesses.Going further back,Roy Cohn
> prominent NY attorney and Prinicpal aide to Sen Joseph
> MCCarthy in the 50's was gay.He too died in a similar way.
>
So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed to die of the AID?<P ID="signature">______________
i'm on a mexican radio</P>
R
rbrucecarter
Guest
> So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed to die of
> the AID?
I am proudly ****-agnostic.
Orlando tried a gay radio station one time. It didn't last very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do well either. The percentage of gays in the area is probably a couple of percent at best - not enough to support a station.
> the AID?
I am proudly ****-agnostic.
Orlando tried a gay radio station one time. It didn't last very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do well either. The percentage of gays in the area is probably a couple of percent at best - not enough to support a station.
K
KPLEXCOMPLEX
Guest
> > > > > I read the article, and it amazes me why we dont
> have
> > > more
> > > >
> > > > > stations in this town that try to sell to the LGBT
> > > market.
> > > >
> > > > > Its a virtually untapped goldmine and its odd we
> dont
> > > see
> > > > > radio/tv/print sales folks in this town going after
> > the
> > > > > business.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You DO realize you're talking about a market in TEXAS
> > > don't
> > > > you? The state where, on my way into work in the
> > morning,
> > > I
> > > > see at least a dozen vehicles with "W '04" stickers on
>
> > > their
> > > > back windows. They don't believe in that lifestyle.
> > > >
> > > > *puts on flame proof suit*
> > > >
> > > Im aware of that, im just saying this area has one of
> the
> > > largest LGBT populations in the region and people in
> this
> > > business are too cowardice to go out after the money. Go
>
> > > down to oak lawn on any night of the week and you'll see
>
> > it.
> > > Besides, the "dubya" crowd will soon be out on their
> > > ear,he's a lame duck who americans as a whole are
> growing
> > > tired of...
> > >
> > The Dallas Obsever has advertisements for this community
> and
> > I believe KNON has some shows geared for them as well. BTW
>
> > Republicans have quite a few gays in their ranks.Ever hear
>
> > of the "Log Cabin Republicans"?The Late Terry Dolan
> (Reagan
> > years) was Founder and President of the "National
> > Conservative Political Action Committtee. He died of Aids
> > related illnesses.Going further back,Roy Cohn
> > prominent NY attorney and Prinicpal aide to Sen Joseph
> > MCCarthy in the 50's was gay.He too died in a similar way.
>
> >
>
> So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed to die of
> the AID?
>
Good God. Don't read something that is not there NOR implied. It's biographical information pertaining to well known gays who were staunch Republicans. Thats it! PERIOD.You have the makings of a talkshow host.
> have
> > > more
> > > >
> > > > > stations in this town that try to sell to the LGBT
> > > market.
> > > >
> > > > > Its a virtually untapped goldmine and its odd we
> dont
> > > see
> > > > > radio/tv/print sales folks in this town going after
> > the
> > > > > business.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You DO realize you're talking about a market in TEXAS
> > > don't
> > > > you? The state where, on my way into work in the
> > morning,
> > > I
> > > > see at least a dozen vehicles with "W '04" stickers on
>
> > > their
> > > > back windows. They don't believe in that lifestyle.
> > > >
> > > > *puts on flame proof suit*
> > > >
> > > Im aware of that, im just saying this area has one of
> the
> > > largest LGBT populations in the region and people in
> this
> > > business are too cowardice to go out after the money. Go
>
> > > down to oak lawn on any night of the week and you'll see
>
> > it.
> > > Besides, the "dubya" crowd will soon be out on their
> > > ear,he's a lame duck who americans as a whole are
> growing
> > > tired of...
> > >
> > The Dallas Obsever has advertisements for this community
> and
> > I believe KNON has some shows geared for them as well. BTW
>
> > Republicans have quite a few gays in their ranks.Ever hear
>
> > of the "Log Cabin Republicans"?The Late Terry Dolan
> (Reagan
> > years) was Founder and President of the "National
> > Conservative Political Action Committtee. He died of Aids
> > related illnesses.Going further back,Roy Cohn
> > prominent NY attorney and Prinicpal aide to Sen Joseph
> > MCCarthy in the 50's was gay.He too died in a similar way.
>
> >
>
> So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed to die of
> the AID?
>
Good God. Don't read something that is not there NOR implied. It's biographical information pertaining to well known gays who were staunch Republicans. Thats it! PERIOD.You have the makings of a talkshow host.
M
Mediafrog
Guest
> The Dallas Obsever has advertisements for this community and
> I believe KNON has some shows geared for them as well.
The first Gay oriented show I recall on the air in DFW was "Before The Dawn" on the old KCHU 90.9 in the mid-70's.
> I believe KNON has some shows geared for them as well.
The first Gay oriented show I recall on the air in DFW was "Before The Dawn" on the old KCHU 90.9 in the mid-70's.
T
Thinker
Guest
> > So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed to die
> of
> > the AID?
>
> I am proudly ****-agnostic.
>
> Orlando tried a gay radio station one time. It didn't last
> very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do well
> either. The percentage of gays in the area is probably a
> couple of percent at best - not enough to support a station.
>
Where's Jagger when we need him?
> of
> > the AID?
>
> I am proudly ****-agnostic.
>
> Orlando tried a gay radio station one time. It didn't last
> very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do well
> either. The percentage of gays in the area is probably a
> couple of percent at best - not enough to support a station.
>
Where's Jagger when we need him?
D
dean1
Guest
I'm one of those "theys" I suppose, and some of us defy the previous overgeneralization. How a person lives their life matters less to me than whether they're my neighbor. As such, they get every consideration I do.
Sadly, that often includes commercial abuse.
If I have to listen to some of this junk, so do "they"
Jody
> > > So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed to
> die
> > of
> > > the AID?
> >
> > I am proudly ****-agnostic.
> >
> > Orlando tried a gay radio station one time. It didn't
> last
> > very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do well
> > either. The percentage of gays in the area is probably a
> > couple of percent at best - not enough to support a
> station.
> >
>
>
> Where's Jagger when we need him?
>
Sadly, that often includes commercial abuse.
If I have to listen to some of this junk, so do "they"
Jody
> > > So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed to
> die
> > of
> > > the AID?
> >
> > I am proudly ****-agnostic.
> >
> > Orlando tried a gay radio station one time. It didn't
> last
> > very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do well
> > either. The percentage of gays in the area is probably a
> > couple of percent at best - not enough to support a
> station.
> >
>
>
> Where's Jagger when we need him?
>
Why does there need to be a seperate ad?
Ford Motor Company is under scrutiny from the fundamentalist's cause they're advertising in gay lifestyle mags. Why does there need to be any separate ad campaigns for certain groups? Black, Hispanic, Gay, Lesbian, Trans gender, White, Asian, and so on. You need a car? buy a car! Gays and everyone else drive cars too! why make it special? Is there a new "Ford Philadelphia Model" that came out that's not being advertised on Mainstream media? Is it fully loaded with features that only someone living an "alternative" lifestyle would enjoy?
When it comes to generic items like things we use everyday: Personal hygiene, hair care products, house hold items, groceries, cleaning supplies, and so on. How do they differ between everyone else using them?
Here's a difference. The Black community listens to and watches particular programs. I can see getting everyday items in a spot load that's customized to appeal to them. Something they can relate to. Their Demo. Same goes for White and Spanish and other ethnics. I'm not interested in Life Insurance being sold by Tom Bosley, but I might reconsider if someone closer to my age was selling it. I get that! Sell to your Demo. Age, that's a real Demo. Race, that's a real Demo. Religion, that's a real Demo! Male/Female, that's a real demo! That's very specific. Gay? Other than the normal verbiage to sell a product, what the hell can you say to make it gay oriented? New Gay Mac & Cheese! Check out the new festive colors and the noodles are shaped like penises.... That's a hell of a reach!
Gays, they're everywhere. They can be any walk of life, they can be watching any TV, listening to any radio. If a gay man is watching a spot for Charmin toilet paper, how would you "spice" that up to appeal more to a gay man? (Refer back to the Gay Mac & Cheese.) We all use some of the same products and all have to drive a vehicle to get around. We all like to travel. Why do you need to make a spot for Disney Land with a lisp versus the one you see everyday? It's a damn amusement park with rides and attractions, either you want to go or you don't.
The only exception I can see to the custom making of advertising is when there is a language barrier. You want to get you message out.
Gays are smart, they get your message on all the big named radio stations. If they can find a use for that product, they'll go to the store and purchase it. Next thing you know they'll be pushing "Gay" superstores or mega marts.
"They" want us to be multicultural and diverse, but they sure do make it hard when they divide us up in to groups for specific agendas.
Gays like to travel too, either they'll go, or they won't just like straight people and everyone else that walks the face of this earth.
I can't understand why there has to be a specific type radio station / marketing agenda for gays. Any radio station in town can pass along a commercial about the Gay Festival coming up this weekend and where to get tickets or a PSA for gay community outreach.
As for Ford advertising in Gay Mags, I can see that. That has a purpose. TV? I can see a gay channel that appeals to the life style on cable or satellite, but "Just For Gay Men" to make your hair more like it's natural color? So, what.... you're willing to pay an extra $1.50 cause it has Gay in the title even though it does the same thing as the original?
Sorry, I'm tired of everyone being divided up in to groups because how we decide to live our lives Vs. our common interest.
-Doc
> I'm one of those "theys" I suppose, and some of us defy the
> previous overgeneralization. How a person lives their life
> matters less to me than whether they're my neighbor. As
> such, they get every consideration I do.
>
> Sadly, that often includes commercial abuse.
>
> If I have to listen to some of this junk, so do "they"
>
> Jody
>
> > > > So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed to
> > die
> > > of
> > > > the AID?
> > >
> > > I am proudly ****-agnostic.
> > >
> > > Orlando tried a gay radio station one time. It didn't
> > last
> > > very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do well
>
> > > either. The percentage of gays in the area is probably
> a
> > > couple of percent at best - not enough to support a
> > station.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Where's Jagger when we need him?
> >
> <P ID="signature">______________
Doc Bryce Everybody!</P>
Ford Motor Company is under scrutiny from the fundamentalist's cause they're advertising in gay lifestyle mags. Why does there need to be any separate ad campaigns for certain groups? Black, Hispanic, Gay, Lesbian, Trans gender, White, Asian, and so on. You need a car? buy a car! Gays and everyone else drive cars too! why make it special? Is there a new "Ford Philadelphia Model" that came out that's not being advertised on Mainstream media? Is it fully loaded with features that only someone living an "alternative" lifestyle would enjoy?
When it comes to generic items like things we use everyday: Personal hygiene, hair care products, house hold items, groceries, cleaning supplies, and so on. How do they differ between everyone else using them?
Here's a difference. The Black community listens to and watches particular programs. I can see getting everyday items in a spot load that's customized to appeal to them. Something they can relate to. Their Demo. Same goes for White and Spanish and other ethnics. I'm not interested in Life Insurance being sold by Tom Bosley, but I might reconsider if someone closer to my age was selling it. I get that! Sell to your Demo. Age, that's a real Demo. Race, that's a real Demo. Religion, that's a real Demo! Male/Female, that's a real demo! That's very specific. Gay? Other than the normal verbiage to sell a product, what the hell can you say to make it gay oriented? New Gay Mac & Cheese! Check out the new festive colors and the noodles are shaped like penises.... That's a hell of a reach!
Gays, they're everywhere. They can be any walk of life, they can be watching any TV, listening to any radio. If a gay man is watching a spot for Charmin toilet paper, how would you "spice" that up to appeal more to a gay man? (Refer back to the Gay Mac & Cheese.) We all use some of the same products and all have to drive a vehicle to get around. We all like to travel. Why do you need to make a spot for Disney Land with a lisp versus the one you see everyday? It's a damn amusement park with rides and attractions, either you want to go or you don't.
The only exception I can see to the custom making of advertising is when there is a language barrier. You want to get you message out.
Gays are smart, they get your message on all the big named radio stations. If they can find a use for that product, they'll go to the store and purchase it. Next thing you know they'll be pushing "Gay" superstores or mega marts.
"They" want us to be multicultural and diverse, but they sure do make it hard when they divide us up in to groups for specific agendas.
Gays like to travel too, either they'll go, or they won't just like straight people and everyone else that walks the face of this earth.
I can't understand why there has to be a specific type radio station / marketing agenda for gays. Any radio station in town can pass along a commercial about the Gay Festival coming up this weekend and where to get tickets or a PSA for gay community outreach.
As for Ford advertising in Gay Mags, I can see that. That has a purpose. TV? I can see a gay channel that appeals to the life style on cable or satellite, but "Just For Gay Men" to make your hair more like it's natural color? So, what.... you're willing to pay an extra $1.50 cause it has Gay in the title even though it does the same thing as the original?
Sorry, I'm tired of everyone being divided up in to groups because how we decide to live our lives Vs. our common interest.
-Doc
> I'm one of those "theys" I suppose, and some of us defy the
> previous overgeneralization. How a person lives their life
> matters less to me than whether they're my neighbor. As
> such, they get every consideration I do.
>
> Sadly, that often includes commercial abuse.
>
> If I have to listen to some of this junk, so do "they"
>
> Jody
>
> > > > So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed to
> > die
> > > of
> > > > the AID?
> > >
> > > I am proudly ****-agnostic.
> > >
> > > Orlando tried a gay radio station one time. It didn't
> > last
> > > very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do well
>
> > > either. The percentage of gays in the area is probably
> a
> > > couple of percent at best - not enough to support a
> > station.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Where's Jagger when we need him?
> >
> <P ID="signature">______________
Doc Bryce Everybody!</P>
K
KPLEXCOMPLEX
Guest
Re: Why does there need to be a seperate ad?
> Ford Motor Company is under scrutiny from the
> fundamentalist's cause they're advertising in gay lifestyle
> mags. Why does there need to be any separate ad campaigns
> for certain groups? Black, Hispanic, Gay, Lesbian, Trans
> gender, White, Asian, and so on. You need a car? buy a
> car! Gays and everyone else drive cars too! why make it
> special? Is there a new "Ford Philadelphia Model" that came
> out that's not being advertised on Mainstream media? Is it
> fully loaded with features that only someone living an
> "alternative" lifestyle would enjoy?
>
> When it comes to generic items like things we use everyday:
> Personal hygiene, hair care products, house hold items,
> groceries, cleaning supplies, and so on. How do they differ
> between everyone else using them?
>
> Here's a difference. The Black community listens to and
> watches particular programs. I can see getting everyday
> items in a spot load that's customized to appeal to them.
> Something they can relate to. Their Demo. Same goes for
> White and Spanish and other ethnics. I'm not interested in
> Life Insurance being sold by Tom Bosley, but I might
> reconsider if someone closer to my age was selling it. I
> get that! Sell to your Demo. Age, that's a real Demo.
> Race, that's a real Demo. Religion, that's a real Demo!
> Male/Female, that's a real demo! That's very specific.
> Gay? Other than the normal verbiage to sell a product, what
> the hell can you say to make it gay oriented? New Gay Mac &
> Cheese! Check out the new festive colors and the noodles
> are shaped like penises.... That's a hell of a reach!
>
> Gays, they're everywhere. They can be any walk of life,
> they can be watching any TV, listening to any radio. If a
> gay man is watching a spot for Charmin toilet paper, how
> would you "spice" that up to appeal more to a gay man?
> (Refer back to the Gay Mac & Cheese.) We all use some of
> the same products and all have to drive a vehicle to get
> around. We all like to travel. Why do you need to make a
> spot for Disney Land with a lisp versus the one you see
> everyday? It's a damn amusement park with rides and
> attractions, either you want to go or you don't.
>
> The only exception I can see to the custom making of
> advertising is when there is a language barrier. You want
> to get you message out.
>
> Gays are smart, they get your message on all the big named
> radio stations. If they can find a use for that product,
> they'll go to the store and purchase it. Next thing you
> know they'll be pushing "Gay" superstores or mega marts.
>
> "They" want us to be multicultural and diverse, but they
> sure do make it hard when they divide us up in to groups for
> specific agendas.
>
> Gays like to travel too, either they'll go, or they won't
> just like straight people and everyone else that walks the
> face of this earth.
>
> I can't understand why there has to be a specific type radio
> station / marketing agenda for gays. Any radio station in
> town can pass along a commercial about the Gay Festival
> coming up this weekend and where to get tickets or a PSA for
> gay community outreach.
>
> As for Ford advertising in Gay Mags, I can see that. That
> has a purpose. TV? I can see a gay channel that appeals to
> the life style on cable or satellite, but "Just For Gay Men"
> to make your hair more like it's natural color? So,
> what.... you're willing to pay an extra $1.50 cause it has
> Gay in the title even though it does the same thing as the
> original?
>
> Sorry, I'm tired of everyone being divided up in to groups
> because how we decide to live our lives Vs. our common
> interest.
>
> -Doc
>
>
>
>
> > I'm one of those "theys" I suppose, and some of us defy
> the
> > previous overgeneralization. How a person lives their life
>
> > matters less to me than whether they're my neighbor. As
> > such, they get every consideration I do.
> >
> > Sadly, that often includes commercial abuse.
> >
> > If I have to listen to some of this junk, so do "they"
>
> >
> > Jody
> >
> > > > > So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed
> to
> > > die
> > > > of
> > > > > the AID?
> > > >
> > > > I am proudly ****-agnostic.
> > > >
> > > > Orlando tried a gay radio station one time. It didn't
>
> > > last
> > > > very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do
> well
> >
> > > > either. The percentage of gays in the area is
> probably
> > a
> > > > couple of percent at best - not enough to support a
> > > station.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Where's Jagger when we need him?
> > >
> >
>
DOC you summed it up very well. We seem to go on promoting segration and discrimination whether we are cosncious of it or not. It's time to put an end to it and just accept each other and get along.
> Ford Motor Company is under scrutiny from the
> fundamentalist's cause they're advertising in gay lifestyle
> mags. Why does there need to be any separate ad campaigns
> for certain groups? Black, Hispanic, Gay, Lesbian, Trans
> gender, White, Asian, and so on. You need a car? buy a
> car! Gays and everyone else drive cars too! why make it
> special? Is there a new "Ford Philadelphia Model" that came
> out that's not being advertised on Mainstream media? Is it
> fully loaded with features that only someone living an
> "alternative" lifestyle would enjoy?
>
> When it comes to generic items like things we use everyday:
> Personal hygiene, hair care products, house hold items,
> groceries, cleaning supplies, and so on. How do they differ
> between everyone else using them?
>
> Here's a difference. The Black community listens to and
> watches particular programs. I can see getting everyday
> items in a spot load that's customized to appeal to them.
> Something they can relate to. Their Demo. Same goes for
> White and Spanish and other ethnics. I'm not interested in
> Life Insurance being sold by Tom Bosley, but I might
> reconsider if someone closer to my age was selling it. I
> get that! Sell to your Demo. Age, that's a real Demo.
> Race, that's a real Demo. Religion, that's a real Demo!
> Male/Female, that's a real demo! That's very specific.
> Gay? Other than the normal verbiage to sell a product, what
> the hell can you say to make it gay oriented? New Gay Mac &
> Cheese! Check out the new festive colors and the noodles
> are shaped like penises.... That's a hell of a reach!
>
> Gays, they're everywhere. They can be any walk of life,
> they can be watching any TV, listening to any radio. If a
> gay man is watching a spot for Charmin toilet paper, how
> would you "spice" that up to appeal more to a gay man?
> (Refer back to the Gay Mac & Cheese.) We all use some of
> the same products and all have to drive a vehicle to get
> around. We all like to travel. Why do you need to make a
> spot for Disney Land with a lisp versus the one you see
> everyday? It's a damn amusement park with rides and
> attractions, either you want to go or you don't.
>
> The only exception I can see to the custom making of
> advertising is when there is a language barrier. You want
> to get you message out.
>
> Gays are smart, they get your message on all the big named
> radio stations. If they can find a use for that product,
> they'll go to the store and purchase it. Next thing you
> know they'll be pushing "Gay" superstores or mega marts.
>
> "They" want us to be multicultural and diverse, but they
> sure do make it hard when they divide us up in to groups for
> specific agendas.
>
> Gays like to travel too, either they'll go, or they won't
> just like straight people and everyone else that walks the
> face of this earth.
>
> I can't understand why there has to be a specific type radio
> station / marketing agenda for gays. Any radio station in
> town can pass along a commercial about the Gay Festival
> coming up this weekend and where to get tickets or a PSA for
> gay community outreach.
>
> As for Ford advertising in Gay Mags, I can see that. That
> has a purpose. TV? I can see a gay channel that appeals to
> the life style on cable or satellite, but "Just For Gay Men"
> to make your hair more like it's natural color? So,
> what.... you're willing to pay an extra $1.50 cause it has
> Gay in the title even though it does the same thing as the
> original?
>
> Sorry, I'm tired of everyone being divided up in to groups
> because how we decide to live our lives Vs. our common
> interest.
>
> -Doc
>
>
>
>
> > I'm one of those "theys" I suppose, and some of us defy
> the
> > previous overgeneralization. How a person lives their life
>
> > matters less to me than whether they're my neighbor. As
> > such, they get every consideration I do.
> >
> > Sadly, that often includes commercial abuse.
> >
> > If I have to listen to some of this junk, so do "they"
>
> >
> > Jody
> >
> > > > > So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed
> to
> > > die
> > > > of
> > > > > the AID?
> > > >
> > > > I am proudly ****-agnostic.
> > > >
> > > > Orlando tried a gay radio station one time. It didn't
>
> > > last
> > > > very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do
> well
> >
> > > > either. The percentage of gays in the area is
> probably
> > a
> > > > couple of percent at best - not enough to support a
> > > station.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Where's Jagger when we need him?
> > >
> >
>
DOC you summed it up very well. We seem to go on promoting segration and discrimination whether we are cosncious of it or not. It's time to put an end to it and just accept each other and get along.
J
Jimprewitt1954
Guest
Re: Why does there need to be a seperate ad?
> Ford Motor Company is under scrutiny from the
> fundamentalist's cause they're advertising in gay lifestyle
> mags. Why does there need to be any separate ad campaigns
> for certain groups? Black, Hispanic, Gay, Lesbian, Trans
> gender, White, Asian, and so on. You need a car? buy a
> car! Gays and everyone else drive cars too! why make it
> special? Is there a new "Ford Philadelphia Model" that came
> out that's not being advertised on Mainstream media? Is it
> fully loaded with features that only someone living an
> "alternative" lifestyle would enjoy?
>
> When it comes to generic items like things we use everyday:
> Personal hygiene, hair care products, house hold items,
> groceries, cleaning supplies, and so on. How do they differ
> between everyone else using them?
>
> Here's a difference. The Black community listens to and
> watches particular programs. I can see getting everyday
> items in a spot load that's customized to appeal to them.
> Something they can relate to. Their Demo. Same goes for
> White and Spanish and other ethnics. I'm not interested in
> Life Insurance being sold by Tom Bosley, but I might
> reconsider if someone closer to my age was selling it. I
> get that! Sell to your Demo. Age, that's a real Demo.
> Race, that's a real Demo. Religion, that's a real Demo!
> Male/Female, that's a real demo! That's very specific.
> Gay? Other than the normal verbiage to sell a product, what
> the hell can you say to make it gay oriented? New Gay Mac &
> Cheese! Check out the new festive colors and the noodles
> are shaped like penises.... That's a hell of a reach!
>
> Gays, they're everywhere. They can be any walk of life,
> they can be watching any TV, listening to any radio. If a
> gay man is watching a spot for Charmin toilet paper, how
> would you "spice" that up to appeal more to a gay man?
> (Refer back to the Gay Mac & Cheese.) We all use some of
> the same products and all have to drive a vehicle to get
> around. We all like to travel. Why do you need to make a
> spot for Disney Land with a lisp versus the one you see
> everyday? It's a damn amusement park with rides and
> attractions, either you want to go or you don't.
>
> The only exception I can see to the custom making of
> advertising is when there is a language barrier. You want
> to get you message out.
>
> Gays are smart, they get your message on all the big named
> radio stations. If they can find a use for that product,
> they'll go to the store and purchase it. Next thing you
> know they'll be pushing "Gay" superstores or mega marts.
>
> "They" want us to be multicultural and diverse, but they
> sure do make it hard when they divide us up in to groups for
> specific agendas.
>
> Gays like to travel too, either they'll go, or they won't
> just like straight people and everyone else that walks the
> face of this earth.
>
> I can't understand why there has to be a specific type radio
> station / marketing agenda for gays. Any radio station in
> town can pass along a commercial about the Gay Festival
> coming up this weekend and where to get tickets or a PSA for
> gay community outreach.
>
> As for Ford advertising in Gay Mags, I can see that. That
> has a purpose. TV? I can see a gay channel that appeals to
> the life style on cable or satellite, but "Just For Gay Men"
> to make your hair more like it's natural color? So,
> what.... you're willing to pay an extra $1.50 cause it has
> Gay in the title even though it does the same thing as the
> original?
>
> Sorry, I'm tired of everyone being divided up in to groups
> because how we decide to live our lives Vs. our common
> interest.
>
> -Doc
>
>
>
>
> > I'm one of those "theys" I suppose, and some of us defy
> the
> > previous overgeneralization. How a person lives their life
>
> > matters less to me than whether they're my neighbor. As
> > such, they get every consideration I do.
> >
> > Sadly, that often includes commercial abuse.
> >
> > If I have to listen to some of this junk, so do "they"
>
> >
> > Jody
> >
> > > > > So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed
> to
> > > die
> > > > of
> > > > > the AID?
> > > >
> > > > I am proudly ****-agnostic.
> > > >
> > > > Orlando tried a gay radio station one time. It didn't
>
> > > last
> > > > very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do
> well
> >
> > > > either. The percentage of gays in the area is
> probably
> > a
> > > > couple of percent at best - not enough to support a
> > > station.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Where's Jagger when we need him?
If one disagrees withe the gay lifestyle, why is he labeled homophobic, hater, right wing, religious fanatic, fundamentelists? Come on people!
> > >
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Lead, follow or get out of the way...
And remember, the early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
</P>
> Ford Motor Company is under scrutiny from the
> fundamentalist's cause they're advertising in gay lifestyle
> mags. Why does there need to be any separate ad campaigns
> for certain groups? Black, Hispanic, Gay, Lesbian, Trans
> gender, White, Asian, and so on. You need a car? buy a
> car! Gays and everyone else drive cars too! why make it
> special? Is there a new "Ford Philadelphia Model" that came
> out that's not being advertised on Mainstream media? Is it
> fully loaded with features that only someone living an
> "alternative" lifestyle would enjoy?
>
> When it comes to generic items like things we use everyday:
> Personal hygiene, hair care products, house hold items,
> groceries, cleaning supplies, and so on. How do they differ
> between everyone else using them?
>
> Here's a difference. The Black community listens to and
> watches particular programs. I can see getting everyday
> items in a spot load that's customized to appeal to them.
> Something they can relate to. Their Demo. Same goes for
> White and Spanish and other ethnics. I'm not interested in
> Life Insurance being sold by Tom Bosley, but I might
> reconsider if someone closer to my age was selling it. I
> get that! Sell to your Demo. Age, that's a real Demo.
> Race, that's a real Demo. Religion, that's a real Demo!
> Male/Female, that's a real demo! That's very specific.
> Gay? Other than the normal verbiage to sell a product, what
> the hell can you say to make it gay oriented? New Gay Mac &
> Cheese! Check out the new festive colors and the noodles
> are shaped like penises.... That's a hell of a reach!
>
> Gays, they're everywhere. They can be any walk of life,
> they can be watching any TV, listening to any radio. If a
> gay man is watching a spot for Charmin toilet paper, how
> would you "spice" that up to appeal more to a gay man?
> (Refer back to the Gay Mac & Cheese.) We all use some of
> the same products and all have to drive a vehicle to get
> around. We all like to travel. Why do you need to make a
> spot for Disney Land with a lisp versus the one you see
> everyday? It's a damn amusement park with rides and
> attractions, either you want to go or you don't.
>
> The only exception I can see to the custom making of
> advertising is when there is a language barrier. You want
> to get you message out.
>
> Gays are smart, they get your message on all the big named
> radio stations. If they can find a use for that product,
> they'll go to the store and purchase it. Next thing you
> know they'll be pushing "Gay" superstores or mega marts.
>
> "They" want us to be multicultural and diverse, but they
> sure do make it hard when they divide us up in to groups for
> specific agendas.
>
> Gays like to travel too, either they'll go, or they won't
> just like straight people and everyone else that walks the
> face of this earth.
>
> I can't understand why there has to be a specific type radio
> station / marketing agenda for gays. Any radio station in
> town can pass along a commercial about the Gay Festival
> coming up this weekend and where to get tickets or a PSA for
> gay community outreach.
>
> As for Ford advertising in Gay Mags, I can see that. That
> has a purpose. TV? I can see a gay channel that appeals to
> the life style on cable or satellite, but "Just For Gay Men"
> to make your hair more like it's natural color? So,
> what.... you're willing to pay an extra $1.50 cause it has
> Gay in the title even though it does the same thing as the
> original?
>
> Sorry, I'm tired of everyone being divided up in to groups
> because how we decide to live our lives Vs. our common
> interest.
>
> -Doc
>
>
>
>
> > I'm one of those "theys" I suppose, and some of us defy
> the
> > previous overgeneralization. How a person lives their life
>
> > matters less to me than whether they're my neighbor. As
> > such, they get every consideration I do.
> >
> > Sadly, that often includes commercial abuse.
> >
> > If I have to listen to some of this junk, so do "they"
>
> >
> > Jody
> >
> > > > > So you're saying politcally active gays are doomed
> to
> > > die
> > > > of
> > > > > the AID?
> > > >
> > > > I am proudly ****-agnostic.
> > > >
> > > > Orlando tried a gay radio station one time. It didn't
>
> > > last
> > > > very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do
> well
> >
> > > > either. The percentage of gays in the area is
> probably
> > a
> > > > couple of percent at best - not enough to support a
> > > station.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Where's Jagger when we need him?
If one disagrees withe the gay lifestyle, why is he labeled homophobic, hater, right wing, religious fanatic, fundamentelists? Come on people!
> > >
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Lead, follow or get out of the way...
And remember, the early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
</P>
Re: Why does there need to be a separate ad?
>
>
> If one disagrees withe the gay lifestyle, why is he labeled
> homophobic, hater, right wing, religious fanatic,
> fundamentelists? Come on people!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Well, I think CJP just answered the question. Because gay people want to make sure they are not buying products from people who hold views like his. He is free to hold that view of course, but by airing gay friendly (or just general inclusive ads that include gays) ads, a business signals that it welcomes such customers. If one wants to be bigoted (and you are, CJP, at least in your phraseology, whether you see it or not -- being gay is not a 'lifestyle' anymore than being straight is) one certainly can. And if that bigot owns a business, people who disagree should avoid it if there is an alternative. It isn't going to harm the business owner much, of course -- especially in Texas. It is more about supporting what you believe in. Is every religious person a bigot? Of course not! But some are. As are some non-religious people.
It would be great to have no lines drawn and for us all to live together happily ever after. In this country, at this time, though, that ain't happenin'.
>
>
> If one disagrees withe the gay lifestyle, why is he labeled
> homophobic, hater, right wing, religious fanatic,
> fundamentelists? Come on people!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Well, I think CJP just answered the question. Because gay people want to make sure they are not buying products from people who hold views like his. He is free to hold that view of course, but by airing gay friendly (or just general inclusive ads that include gays) ads, a business signals that it welcomes such customers. If one wants to be bigoted (and you are, CJP, at least in your phraseology, whether you see it or not -- being gay is not a 'lifestyle' anymore than being straight is) one certainly can. And if that bigot owns a business, people who disagree should avoid it if there is an alternative. It isn't going to harm the business owner much, of course -- especially in Texas. It is more about supporting what you believe in. Is every religious person a bigot? Of course not! But some are. As are some non-religious people.
It would be great to have no lines drawn and for us all to live together happily ever after. In this country, at this time, though, that ain't happenin'.
J
Jimprewitt1954
Guest
Re: Why does there need to be a separate ad?
> >
> >
> > If one disagrees withe the gay lifestyle, why is he
> labeled
> > homophobic, hater, right wing, religious fanatic,
> > fundamentelists? Come on people!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> Well, I think CJP just answered the question. Because gay
> people want to make sure they are not buying products from
> people who hold views like his. He is free to hold that
> view of course, but by airing gay friendly (or just general
> inclusive ads that include gays) ads, a business signals
> that it welcomes such customers. If one wants to be bigoted
> (and you are, CJP, at least in your phraseology, whether you
> see it or not -- being gay is not a 'lifestyle' anymore than
> being straight is) one certainly can. And if that bigot
> owns a business, people who disagree should avoid it if
> there is an alternative. It isn't going to harm the
> business owner much, of course -- especially in Texas. It
> is more about supporting what you believe in. Is every
> religious person a bigot? Of course not! But some are. As
> are some non-religious people.
>
> It would be great to have no lines drawn and for us all to
> live together happily ever after. In this country, at this
> time, though, that ain't happenin'.
I have nothing against gay PEOPLE. I just don't like the way many Gays FLAUNT there sexuality nor do i care for hetrosexuals to display there aggressive sexuality in front of others.IE: Girls gone wild.
To me (and you are), don't seem to be very TOLERANT yourself of other peoples viewpoints. Your reply just proved that. Please don't put me in one of your Homophobic haters category.
Many times i hear gays compare themselves to Black people in civil rights. That's absurd! Black people were discriminated against simply because of there race and color of there skin. That is wrong.
Nobody is saying gay people should be discrimanted against. Not me anyway, so again don't put words in my mouth.
Also, just because i disagree with some of the gay "agendas" doesn't make me a bigot.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Lead, follow or get out of the way...
And remember, the early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
</P>
> >
> >
> > If one disagrees withe the gay lifestyle, why is he
> labeled
> > homophobic, hater, right wing, religious fanatic,
> > fundamentelists? Come on people!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> Well, I think CJP just answered the question. Because gay
> people want to make sure they are not buying products from
> people who hold views like his. He is free to hold that
> view of course, but by airing gay friendly (or just general
> inclusive ads that include gays) ads, a business signals
> that it welcomes such customers. If one wants to be bigoted
> (and you are, CJP, at least in your phraseology, whether you
> see it or not -- being gay is not a 'lifestyle' anymore than
> being straight is) one certainly can. And if that bigot
> owns a business, people who disagree should avoid it if
> there is an alternative. It isn't going to harm the
> business owner much, of course -- especially in Texas. It
> is more about supporting what you believe in. Is every
> religious person a bigot? Of course not! But some are. As
> are some non-religious people.
>
> It would be great to have no lines drawn and for us all to
> live together happily ever after. In this country, at this
> time, though, that ain't happenin'.
I have nothing against gay PEOPLE. I just don't like the way many Gays FLAUNT there sexuality nor do i care for hetrosexuals to display there aggressive sexuality in front of others.IE: Girls gone wild.
To me (and you are), don't seem to be very TOLERANT yourself of other peoples viewpoints. Your reply just proved that. Please don't put me in one of your Homophobic haters category.
Many times i hear gays compare themselves to Black people in civil rights. That's absurd! Black people were discriminated against simply because of there race and color of there skin. That is wrong.
Nobody is saying gay people should be discrimanted against. Not me anyway, so again don't put words in my mouth.
Also, just because i disagree with some of the gay "agendas" doesn't make me a bigot.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Lead, follow or get out of the way...
And remember, the early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
</P>
Re: Why does there need to be a separate ad?
Listen, we can argue this back and forth if you want, and trust me I understand there are levels of intolerance. However, I find it saddening when people think it is "absurd" to call the struggle for civil rights for gays the same as that for African Americans or other minorities. While in some ways it is of course not the same, by finding it "absurd" it seems you believe that gay people are not subject to abuse due simply to the fact they are gay.
I could go on about your comment about gay people "flaunting" their sexuality. Do you mean simply holding hands? Because that is enough to get the s**t beaten out of you in many (most?) areas of Texas and other places. Or do you find holding hands in public unacceptable for straight people as well?
But this is very off topic for a radio board so we should end it here. Maybe bigot is a strong word, possibly ill-applied to you and your beliefs. However, for me personally anyone who uses the phrase "gay agenda" likely harbors some level of ill feeling toward gay people. Wanting equal rights and the ability to live life free from discrimination and with some of the same benefits given other members of society is some crazy agenda. But hey, you live in Texas, and I don't anymore. So we both solved the problem for ourselves, right?
> > >
> > >
> > > If one disagrees withe the gay lifestyle, why is he
> > labeled
> > > homophobic, hater, right wing, religious fanatic,
> > > fundamentelists? Come on people!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Well, I think CJP just answered the question. Because gay
>
> > people want to make sure they are not buying products from
>
> > people who hold views like his. He is free to hold that
> > view of course, but by airing gay friendly (or just
> general
> > inclusive ads that include gays) ads, a business signals
> > that it welcomes such customers. If one wants to be
> bigoted
> > (and you are, CJP, at least in your phraseology, whether
> you
> > see it or not -- being gay is not a 'lifestyle' anymore
> than
> > being straight is) one certainly can. And if that bigot
> > owns a business, people who disagree should avoid it if
> > there is an alternative. It isn't going to harm the
> > business owner much, of course -- especially in Texas. It
>
> > is more about supporting what you believe in. Is every
> > religious person a bigot? Of course not! But some are.
> As
> > are some non-religious people.
> >
> > It would be great to have no lines drawn and for us all to
>
> > live together happily ever after. In this country, at
> this
> > time, though, that ain't happenin'.
>
>
> I have nothing against gay PEOPLE. I just don't like the way
> many Gays FLAUNT there sexuality nor do i care for
> hetrosexuals to display there aggressive sexuality in front
> of others.IE: Girls gone wild.
>
> To me (and you are), don't seem to be very TOLERANT yourself
> of other peoples viewpoints. Your reply just proved that.
> Please don't put me in one of your Homophobic haters
> category.
>
> Many times i hear gays compare themselves to Black people in
> civil rights. That's absurd! Black people were discriminated
> against simply because of there race and color of there
> skin. That is wrong.
>
> Nobody is saying gay people should be discrimanted against.
> Not me anyway, so again don't put words in my mouth.
>
> Also, just because i disagree with some of the gay "agendas"
> doesn't make me a bigot.
>
> >
>
Listen, we can argue this back and forth if you want, and trust me I understand there are levels of intolerance. However, I find it saddening when people think it is "absurd" to call the struggle for civil rights for gays the same as that for African Americans or other minorities. While in some ways it is of course not the same, by finding it "absurd" it seems you believe that gay people are not subject to abuse due simply to the fact they are gay.
I could go on about your comment about gay people "flaunting" their sexuality. Do you mean simply holding hands? Because that is enough to get the s**t beaten out of you in many (most?) areas of Texas and other places. Or do you find holding hands in public unacceptable for straight people as well?
But this is very off topic for a radio board so we should end it here. Maybe bigot is a strong word, possibly ill-applied to you and your beliefs. However, for me personally anyone who uses the phrase "gay agenda" likely harbors some level of ill feeling toward gay people. Wanting equal rights and the ability to live life free from discrimination and with some of the same benefits given other members of society is some crazy agenda. But hey, you live in Texas, and I don't anymore. So we both solved the problem for ourselves, right?
> > >
> > >
> > > If one disagrees withe the gay lifestyle, why is he
> > labeled
> > > homophobic, hater, right wing, religious fanatic,
> > > fundamentelists? Come on people!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Well, I think CJP just answered the question. Because gay
>
> > people want to make sure they are not buying products from
>
> > people who hold views like his. He is free to hold that
> > view of course, but by airing gay friendly (or just
> general
> > inclusive ads that include gays) ads, a business signals
> > that it welcomes such customers. If one wants to be
> bigoted
> > (and you are, CJP, at least in your phraseology, whether
> you
> > see it or not -- being gay is not a 'lifestyle' anymore
> than
> > being straight is) one certainly can. And if that bigot
> > owns a business, people who disagree should avoid it if
> > there is an alternative. It isn't going to harm the
> > business owner much, of course -- especially in Texas. It
>
> > is more about supporting what you believe in. Is every
> > religious person a bigot? Of course not! But some are.
> As
> > are some non-religious people.
> >
> > It would be great to have no lines drawn and for us all to
>
> > live together happily ever after. In this country, at
> this
> > time, though, that ain't happenin'.
>
>
> I have nothing against gay PEOPLE. I just don't like the way
> many Gays FLAUNT there sexuality nor do i care for
> hetrosexuals to display there aggressive sexuality in front
> of others.IE: Girls gone wild.
>
> To me (and you are), don't seem to be very TOLERANT yourself
> of other peoples viewpoints. Your reply just proved that.
> Please don't put me in one of your Homophobic haters
> category.
>
> Many times i hear gays compare themselves to Black people in
> civil rights. That's absurd! Black people were discriminated
> against simply because of there race and color of there
> skin. That is wrong.
>
> Nobody is saying gay people should be discrimanted against.
> Not me anyway, so again don't put words in my mouth.
>
> Also, just because i disagree with some of the gay "agendas"
> doesn't make me a bigot.
>
> >
>
J
Jimprewitt1954
Guest
Re: Why does there need to be a separate ad?
> Listen, we can argue this back and forth if you want, and
> trust me I understand there are levels of intolerance.
> However, I find it saddening when people think it is
> "absurd" to call the struggle for civil rights for gays the
> same as that for African Americans or other minorities.
> While in some ways it is of course not the same, by finding
> it "absurd" it seems you believe that gay people are not
> subject to abuse due simply to the fact they are gay.
>
> I could go on about your comment about gay people
> "flaunting" their sexuality. Do you mean simply holding
> hands? Because that is enough to get the s**t beaten out of
> you in many (most?) areas of Texas and other places. Or do
> you find holding hands in public unacceptable for straight
> people as well?
>
> But this is very off topic for a radio board so we should
> end it here. Maybe bigot is a strong word, possibly
> ill-applied to you and your beliefs. However, for me
> personally anyone who uses the phrase "gay agenda" likely
> harbors some level of ill feeling toward gay people.
> Wanting equal rights and the ability to live life free from
> discrimination and with some of the same benefits given
> other members of society is some crazy agenda. But hey,
> you live in Texas, and I don't anymore. So we both solved
> the problem for ourselves, right?
>
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If one disagrees withe the gay lifestyle, why is he
> > > labeled
> > > > homophobic, hater, right wing, religious fanatic,
> > > > fundamentelists? Come on people!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, I think CJP just answered the question. Because
> gay
> >
> > > people want to make sure they are not buying products
> from
> >
> > > people who hold views like his. He is free to hold that
>
> > > view of course, but by airing gay friendly (or just
> > general
> > > inclusive ads that include gays) ads, a business signals
>
> > > that it welcomes such customers. If one wants to be
> > bigoted
> > > (and you are, CJP, at least in your phraseology, whether
>
> > you
> > > see it or not -- being gay is not a 'lifestyle' anymore
> > than
> > > being straight is) one certainly can. And if that bigot
>
> > > owns a business, people who disagree should avoid it if
> > > there is an alternative. It isn't going to harm the
> > > business owner much, of course -- especially in Texas.
> It
> >
> > > is more about supporting what you believe in. Is every
> > > religious person a bigot? Of course not! But some are.
>
> > As
> > > are some non-religious people.
> > >
> > > It would be great to have no lines drawn and for us all
> to
> >
> > > live together happily ever after. In this country, at
> > this
> > > time, though, that ain't happenin'.
> >
> >
> > I have nothing against gay PEOPLE. I just don't like the
> way
> > many Gays FLAUNT there sexuality nor do i care for
> > hetrosexuals to display there aggressive sexuality in
> front
> > of others.IE: Girls gone wild.
> >
> > To me (and you are), don't seem to be very TOLERANT
> yourself
> > of other peoples viewpoints. Your reply just proved that.
> > Please don't put me in one of your Homophobic haters
> > category.
> >
> > Many times i hear gays compare themselves to Black people
> in
> > civil rights. That's absurd! Black people were
> discriminated
> > against simply because of there race and color of there
> > skin. That is wrong.
> >
> > Nobody is saying gay people should be discrimanted
> against.
> > Not me anyway, so again don't put words in my mouth.
> >
> > Also, just because i disagree with some of the gay
> "agendas"
> > doesn't make me a bigot.
> >
> > >
> >
>
Well as far as "gay agendas" how about for starters the Gay Groups who tried to shutdown many a talk show host or religious leader just because they disagtreed with their lifestyle. Not very tolerant i would say.
Don't be absurd. I have no problem with gays holding hands but i do have a problem with teachers teaching 5 year olds about alternative lifestyles. Does this make me a bigot?
Lifestyle can also include bestiality, group sex, paligomy, etc. Should we ACCEPT that and give them protection?
Hell fat people, retarted people, midgets, etc are proably more abused and made fun of than gays. Sure you can find instances where gays get beat up and even killed and thats wrong but so do alot of other people for whatecer stupid reasons.
<P ID="signature">______________
Lead, follow or get out of the way...
And remember, the early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
</P>
> Listen, we can argue this back and forth if you want, and
> trust me I understand there are levels of intolerance.
> However, I find it saddening when people think it is
> "absurd" to call the struggle for civil rights for gays the
> same as that for African Americans or other minorities.
> While in some ways it is of course not the same, by finding
> it "absurd" it seems you believe that gay people are not
> subject to abuse due simply to the fact they are gay.
>
> I could go on about your comment about gay people
> "flaunting" their sexuality. Do you mean simply holding
> hands? Because that is enough to get the s**t beaten out of
> you in many (most?) areas of Texas and other places. Or do
> you find holding hands in public unacceptable for straight
> people as well?
>
> But this is very off topic for a radio board so we should
> end it here. Maybe bigot is a strong word, possibly
> ill-applied to you and your beliefs. However, for me
> personally anyone who uses the phrase "gay agenda" likely
> harbors some level of ill feeling toward gay people.
> Wanting equal rights and the ability to live life free from
> discrimination and with some of the same benefits given
> other members of society is some crazy agenda. But hey,
> you live in Texas, and I don't anymore. So we both solved
> the problem for ourselves, right?
>
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If one disagrees withe the gay lifestyle, why is he
> > > labeled
> > > > homophobic, hater, right wing, religious fanatic,
> > > > fundamentelists? Come on people!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, I think CJP just answered the question. Because
> gay
> >
> > > people want to make sure they are not buying products
> from
> >
> > > people who hold views like his. He is free to hold that
>
> > > view of course, but by airing gay friendly (or just
> > general
> > > inclusive ads that include gays) ads, a business signals
>
> > > that it welcomes such customers. If one wants to be
> > bigoted
> > > (and you are, CJP, at least in your phraseology, whether
>
> > you
> > > see it or not -- being gay is not a 'lifestyle' anymore
> > than
> > > being straight is) one certainly can. And if that bigot
>
> > > owns a business, people who disagree should avoid it if
> > > there is an alternative. It isn't going to harm the
> > > business owner much, of course -- especially in Texas.
> It
> >
> > > is more about supporting what you believe in. Is every
> > > religious person a bigot? Of course not! But some are.
>
> > As
> > > are some non-religious people.
> > >
> > > It would be great to have no lines drawn and for us all
> to
> >
> > > live together happily ever after. In this country, at
> > this
> > > time, though, that ain't happenin'.
> >
> >
> > I have nothing against gay PEOPLE. I just don't like the
> way
> > many Gays FLAUNT there sexuality nor do i care for
> > hetrosexuals to display there aggressive sexuality in
> front
> > of others.IE: Girls gone wild.
> >
> > To me (and you are), don't seem to be very TOLERANT
> yourself
> > of other peoples viewpoints. Your reply just proved that.
> > Please don't put me in one of your Homophobic haters
> > category.
> >
> > Many times i hear gays compare themselves to Black people
> in
> > civil rights. That's absurd! Black people were
> discriminated
> > against simply because of there race and color of there
> > skin. That is wrong.
> >
> > Nobody is saying gay people should be discrimanted
> against.
> > Not me anyway, so again don't put words in my mouth.
> >
> > Also, just because i disagree with some of the gay
> "agendas"
> > doesn't make me a bigot.
> >
> > >
> >
>
Well as far as "gay agendas" how about for starters the Gay Groups who tried to shutdown many a talk show host or religious leader just because they disagtreed with their lifestyle. Not very tolerant i would say.
Don't be absurd. I have no problem with gays holding hands but i do have a problem with teachers teaching 5 year olds about alternative lifestyles. Does this make me a bigot?
Lifestyle can also include bestiality, group sex, paligomy, etc. Should we ACCEPT that and give them protection?
Hell fat people, retarted people, midgets, etc are proably more abused and made fun of than gays. Sure you can find instances where gays get beat up and even killed and thats wrong but so do alot of other people for whatecer stupid reasons.
<P ID="signature">______________
Lead, follow or get out of the way...
And remember, the early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
</P>
T
Tom_Desmond
Guest
> Orlando tried a gay radio station one time. It didn't last
> very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do well
> either. The percentage of gays in the area is probably a
> couple of percent at best - not enough to support a station.
The gay population is the Dallas area is almost certainly more than "a couple of [a] percent at best" -- but it's not the population size that is really the issue here. The real problem with programming a radio station for a gay market is that the it's just not a monolithic market. How do you program a station that will appeal to a 50 year old lesbian in a long term relationship who lives in Frisco *and* a 21 year old gay man who just came out and moved to Oak Lawn? They most likely have different taste in music and entertainment, as well as far different priorities in terms of news/public affairs content.
The result is that even if the gay population in the area was the once commonly claimed 10% (which I think is too high, just as I think that 2% is too low), no "gay radio station" would be able to tap into more than a small portion of the total gay population, which means that you're looking at a 1% audience share...and that assumes a good signal that covers the market.
> very long. One in Dallas, I dare say, would not do well
> either. The percentage of gays in the area is probably a
> couple of percent at best - not enough to support a station.
The gay population is the Dallas area is almost certainly more than "a couple of [a] percent at best" -- but it's not the population size that is really the issue here. The real problem with programming a radio station for a gay market is that the it's just not a monolithic market. How do you program a station that will appeal to a 50 year old lesbian in a long term relationship who lives in Frisco *and* a 21 year old gay man who just came out and moved to Oak Lawn? They most likely have different taste in music and entertainment, as well as far different priorities in terms of news/public affairs content.
The result is that even if the gay population in the area was the once commonly claimed 10% (which I think is too high, just as I think that 2% is too low), no "gay radio station" would be able to tap into more than a small portion of the total gay population, which means that you're looking at a 1% audience share...and that assumes a good signal that covers the market.
T
Tom_Desmond
Guest
Re: Why does there need to be a seperate ad?
> Ford Motor Company is under scrutiny from the
> fundamentalist's cause they're advertising in gay lifestyle
> mags. Why does there need to be any separate ad campaigns
> for certain groups? Black, Hispanic, Gay, Lesbian, Trans
> gender, White, Asian, and so on. You need a car? buy a
> car! Gays and everyone else drive cars too! why make it
> special? Is there a new "Ford Philadelphia Model" that came
> out that's not being advertised on Mainstream media? Is it
> fully loaded with features that only someone living an
> "alternative" lifestyle would enjoy?
The specialized ads exist because companies think that they can gain more sales and make more money by making the sales pitches as specific and targeted as possible.
Does it work? Personally, I have my doubt, although it is certainly the case that *everyone* likes to see "people like themselves" on TV -- whether that means a particular ethnic/racial group, sexual orientation, age group, or any other categorization you can come up with. Whether that translates into increased sales...I suspect that the jury is out.
In any event, I don't see any harm that is being caused by advertising that shows a more diverse population group than was once the case.
> Ford Motor Company is under scrutiny from the
> fundamentalist's cause they're advertising in gay lifestyle
> mags. Why does there need to be any separate ad campaigns
> for certain groups? Black, Hispanic, Gay, Lesbian, Trans
> gender, White, Asian, and so on. You need a car? buy a
> car! Gays and everyone else drive cars too! why make it
> special? Is there a new "Ford Philadelphia Model" that came
> out that's not being advertised on Mainstream media? Is it
> fully loaded with features that only someone living an
> "alternative" lifestyle would enjoy?
The specialized ads exist because companies think that they can gain more sales and make more money by making the sales pitches as specific and targeted as possible.
Does it work? Personally, I have my doubt, although it is certainly the case that *everyone* likes to see "people like themselves" on TV -- whether that means a particular ethnic/racial group, sexual orientation, age group, or any other categorization you can come up with. Whether that translates into increased sales...I suspect that the jury is out.
In any event, I don't see any harm that is being caused by advertising that shows a more diverse population group than was once the case.
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