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Vinny!
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Curious minds want to know why Gene and Julie and Ron Chapman were having lunch?
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If I had to guess, I would say they wisely sought out his opinions.
He wrote the book on how to do a successful morning show in Dallas.
If you're going to attempt a morning show in Dallas, who better to consult.
He wrote the book on how to do a successful morning show in Dallas.
If you're going to attempt a morning show in Dallas, who better to consult.
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charles123
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What's the point to all of this? Who cares what they do on their own time, it's none of our business.
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PigLatin
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CBS Radio still picks Ron's brain when he's in town. But Ron's schtick usually only works for Ron. Younger listeners aren't drawn to that style. So when you go to Ron, you have to know how to sift his feedback through a modern strainer.
And if I were CBS, I wouldn't assume Ron's advice to them is meant to help them succeed.
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KPLEXCOMPLEX
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That's silly. When you have a person of Ron's calibre who had a number one show for many years,then his advice is invaluable. It doesn't matter if it was the 70's ,the 80's ,or 90's when it happened,the basics of being successful are still there. He adapted to the changing landscape of the metroplex and still managed to pull it off. If you started in radio 1987+ then you don't understand the tremendous vault of information that can lead to success on the air coming from Ron Chapman .If you ddin't like the music he played,so what?If you didn't like his personality on the air,so what? He was and remains the undisputed number 1 radio personality DFW radio has ever had. Ron was"radio"..period! He was not the liner reading,logo similarity,assembly line, safe but dull radio programming of today. He got out because he saw the dilution of radio and even he couldn't stop it. Gene and Julie were wise to seek him out for advice.Their show is just "wallpaper",nothing stands out like Ron's show. They realize it and went to "the Master". So before you criticize Ron or anyone else in the same company as he,study up on your radio history first,and know the basics for success,not what some "suit" tells you what it is.
Ron truly is the best that there has ever been in the DFW market, although I couldn't stand listening to him. To me, his target audience was the divorced, working, soccer mom who drives a mini-van. Just my personal opinion.
Gene and Julie are horrible !! But what else are you going to listen to in the morning? Tony and CRAPPY ???? If you like pop music, rock and roll music, whatever you want to call it, DFW radio mornings totally suck...............
I love Bo and Jim, but I can't handle "Classic Rock" in the morning while I am trying to wake up. I listen to them in the car as I'm driving to work, but can't handle them in the house.
I know, that is weird, but so am I.
Gene and Julie are horrible !! But what else are you going to listen to in the morning? Tony and CRAPPY ???? If you like pop music, rock and roll music, whatever you want to call it, DFW radio mornings totally suck...............
I love Bo and Jim, but I can't handle "Classic Rock" in the morning while I am trying to wake up. I listen to them in the car as I'm driving to work, but can't handle them in the house.
I know, that is weird, but so am I.
If you ever listen to the ReelRadio clips of Ron on KVIL and/or his old Charlie and Harrigan stuff, there was a great formula working. Interaction with lots of different people, the games (when they were for the DFW market, and not nationwide like now), and music choices. He could play just about anything, and it was OK, 'cause Ron did it. It would make you feel like you'd miss something, when the radio was turned off before the show ended. Like him or not, Ron knew (and I'm sure, still knows) how to make a show, a show. He also had the freedom to do what worked, which I'm sure just doesn't much happen anymore.
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TheLaffer
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Chapman sure didn't have his way at KVIL when Bill Curtis was there. Bill sealed his own fate when he ran off Ron.
You can take Ron's **** out of your mouth now...KPLEXCOMPLEX said:
I'm not arguing with ya, BTW, but geez dude have some self respect. Is there really a need to kiss his butt at high noon like that?
And even if he was 'radio', the question becomes 'is he still'? Because Ron can talk all he wants, and G&J can listen for hours, but will the suits at EKVIL let themdo what Ron suggests?
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KPLEXCOMPLEX
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Little one (ap pro po name) I don't care for Ron personally, but I will respect his ideas,and his enthusiasm and his drive to succeed. For all we know KVIL may be listening to him in some way,but you don't know that and neither do I. You have summed up the attitude of radio today very well with your first line. No wonder its bland. You don't get it.
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VERITAS DE VOCE
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Little, I'm afraid KPLX has you on this one. Although this is a lovely open forum to vex your grievances over this nasty vocational world most of us have chosen, you must give honor to whom it is due. Chapman? Take him or leave him... but you have to respect him if you call yourself "in the biz". And seeing that it is past high noon, I'll leave my lipstick in the car and let his resume speak for itself.
I get that Ron was massively successful in the 70's and 80's. And slightly less so in the 90's. In a day and age where the markets weren't nearly as niched and formatted, where the stations weren't run by corporations, where the music was much more homogenized, etc etc etc...
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Ron...but you guys are missing MY point. Ron may have been the end-all and be-all 20 years ago. But it's a different ball game now. Kinda like the cowboys were the shiznit 10-12 years ago. But now they're a .500 team that can't win a playoff game. You yourself said it..ron WAS radio. He's not anymore. And they can send Katie Couric to talk to Walter Cronkite, but it's not necessarily going to improve the CBS news...
Same with Gene and Julie. They can talk to Chapman..Doesn't mean KVIL will let them actually do anything diffent
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Ron...but you guys are missing MY point. Ron may have been the end-all and be-all 20 years ago. But it's a different ball game now. Kinda like the cowboys were the shiznit 10-12 years ago. But now they're a .500 team that can't win a playoff game. You yourself said it..ron WAS radio. He's not anymore. And they can send Katie Couric to talk to Walter Cronkite, but it's not necessarily going to improve the CBS news...
Same with Gene and Julie. They can talk to Chapman..Doesn't mean KVIL will let them actually do anything diffent
Today as I was driving to work, channel surfing as usual, Gene and Julie, in my opinion, stooped to another low. They have a "listener's voice" similar to Fox 4 DFW's Viewer's Voice.
How pathetic............
This one lady calls in and says, "I just love you and I love your show and I call you each and every day just to tell you I love you and how great ya'll are, etc." MADE ME WANT TO THROW UP !!
Do these people that call in not have a life ??
Then another called who was handicapped said something like this, "Gee, I really like your show and I know ya'll can help me tell Dart that they shouldn't raise their handicapped fares from $1 to $2.50 because we can't afford it and ya'll are really nice people so ya'll will tell Dart not to do that"...............
What an IDIOTIC part of radio. If Chapman was dead, he would ALREADY be turning over in his grave if he had to listen to this [EDIT]!!
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How pathetic............
This one lady calls in and says, "I just love you and I love your show and I call you each and every day just to tell you I love you and how great ya'll are, etc." MADE ME WANT TO THROW UP !!
Do these people that call in not have a life ??
Then another called who was handicapped said something like this, "Gee, I really like your show and I know ya'll can help me tell Dart that they shouldn't raise their handicapped fares from $1 to $2.50 because we can't afford it and ya'll are really nice people so ya'll will tell Dart not to do that"...............
What an IDIOTIC part of radio. If Chapman was dead, he would ALREADY be turning over in his grave if he had to listen to this [EDIT]!!
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VERITAS DE VOCE
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You know, guys.. after that latest submission of shrill, I think it is safe to hearken back to the words of Billy Joel:
"Say goodbye to the oldies, but goodies, because the good old days weren't always good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems."
Too bad that dude was too busy making records and not actually listening to the radio. He may have changed that lovely verse.
"Say goodbye to the oldies, but goodies, because the good old days weren't always good and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems."
Too bad that dude was too busy making records and not actually listening to the radio. He may have changed that lovely verse.
VERITAS DE VOCE said:
You have taken the song out of context, because you forgot to include a key portion of the verse.
"In your dreams
Say goodbye to the
Oldies but goodies
'Cause the good ole days weren't
Always good
And tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems"
In other words, "in your dreams, this is the case"
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PigLatin
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I don't think I criticized Ron. Go back and re-read my post.
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KPLEXCOMPLEX
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Let me clarify. Gene and Julie talking to Ron was a good thing. Could they do what Ron Did? Hell no. Its like some cartoon voice artist trying to be Mel Blanc on the classic Warner Bros.-Hanna-Barbara Cartoons. It can't be done. They went to him for advice as many ,many other broadcasters have done ,"turn to the VET". Now days thats rare,since VETS are the first eliminated on the payroll. The sought advice,not permission to copy his bits. "BITS"are only as good as the original artist who created them. Ron left radio,because frankly
it wasn't fun anymore. The key ingredient to a morning show ,taken over by promotional cuts, staff cuts, more and more spots, cutting bits, a shorten playlist, a shorten period to open the mike.The "basics" of McLendon,were gone. The energy level has been reduced to a passenger on an elevator,all because company execs feel that the best way to show a profit is to "cut" and sell more ads. Listeners are collaterial damage. The recent gene and Julie phone calls?How much do want to bet, they were banked from days, weeks ,months ago? Editing them to fit what they need now. A common practice ever since 360's and vox-pros were introduced. One former announcer in DFW did that a lot and used callers from other announcer's shows. Spontaneity is virtually non-existent.
it wasn't fun anymore. The key ingredient to a morning show ,taken over by promotional cuts, staff cuts, more and more spots, cutting bits, a shorten playlist, a shorten period to open the mike.The "basics" of McLendon,were gone. The energy level has been reduced to a passenger on an elevator,all because company execs feel that the best way to show a profit is to "cut" and sell more ads. Listeners are collaterial damage. The recent gene and Julie phone calls?How much do want to bet, they were banked from days, weeks ,months ago? Editing them to fit what they need now. A common practice ever since 360's and vox-pros were introduced. One former announcer in DFW did that a lot and used callers from other announcer's shows. Spontaneity is virtually non-existent.
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TheLaffer
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Its like some cartoon voice artist trying to be Mel Blanc on the classic Warner Bros.-Hanna-Barbara Cartoons. It can't be done.KPLEXCOMPLEX said:
Wrong. Google Search: Daws Butler. Was considered much more talented than Mel Blanc. Mell was good at PROMOTING MEL. Many times producers got Daws Butler to do many of Mel's characters. Many times Mel ripped off Daws voices.
Apparently Kplex, you're not in the big l;eagues or were you ever? Most jocks use Banked Calls as you refer to them when phones are slow or to save them and rework them into other bits. On the Vox Pro the ideas are endless. In many cases SPONTANEITY is usully a jock rambling on about nothing and isn't self editing. I learned from Lisa Thomas the importance of Banked calls and keeping them edited. While at Mix all the jocks shared with each other. I know of other jocks in town and they share each others calls. Maybe there is a generic phrase that could be used, then of course there are SOME jocks who have little talent and BIG egos that squeal like PIGS in heat when another jock uses a portion of there call. Such pettiness.
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