Stanislav said:
I wonder how long some of those "pirate" translators continued to operate, or if any of them eventually sought to "legitimize" their operations. I figure unlicensed translators continued to pop up here and there even after the FCC got involved. If they were in an obscure enough area in the middle of nowhere, who would be the wiser?
I strongly suspect most of them eventually legitimized themselves, at least after VHF translators were authorized if not by moving to UHF. I'm sure at least a handful are still operating today.
(I would not be surprised if somewhere out there, a translator is still operating above channel 70, without license and without the owner - or anyone else - knowing it's still on...)
oldschooler1 said:
Fascinating! Care to share the list, w9wi?
I'd love to but I don't have it in electronic form & don't know when I'd have time to type it up. It might happen someday.
I will tell you that three-network systems existed in:
Globe, Arizona 77-KOOL; 80-KTVK; 83-KVAR (KOOL is now KSAZ-10; KVAR is now KPNX-12)
Kingman, Arizona 70-KLRJ; 78-KTVK; 82-KOOL (KLRJ was on channel 2 in Henderson, Nev. - I believe it's the same station as today's KVBC-3, Las Vegas)
Blythe, California 71-KTVK; 75-KOOL; 79-KVAR
Redwood Falls, Minnesota 70-WCCO; 73-KTCA; 77-KSTP; 80-KMGM; 83-WTCN (KMGM is now KMSP-9; WTCN is now KARE-11)
Ely, Nevada 70-KSL; 75-KUTV; 80-KTVT (KTVT is now KTVX-4)
McGill, Nevada 73-KSL; 78-KUTV; 83-KTVT (all three via the Ely translators)
Cottage Grove, Oregon 71-KVAL; 74-KGW; 77-KOIN
La Grande, Oregon 70-KHQ; 76-KXLY; 80-KREM
Madras, Oregon 71-KGW; 74-KOIN; 77-KPTV
Evanston, Wyoming 71-KUTV; 75-KTVT; 79-KSL
Rock Springs, Wyoming 74-KTVT; 78-KSL; 82-KUTV
Ultimajock said:
...by any chance, do you have the listings and authorization dates for the translators that WISN-TV/12 Milwaukee and WBAY-TV/2 Green Bay were operating in Fond du Lac and Sheboygan Counties? In my teenage years I always thought it was odd that two CBS affiliates would both see the need to put translators in Fond du Lac, esecially when both stations' primary VHF signals were easily receivable using rabbit ears...
I'm afraid I don't.
They aren't on the 1958 list. (in fact, the 1958 list only has five translators east of the MIssissippi; three in New Hampshire and the other two in Pennsylvania)
They are listed as deleted stations in the CDBS database but the records only go back to 1980. (in which year both translators renewed their licenses)
I did see WISN's translator in Madison once. (besides three local translators seen during a visit to Ely, Nev. years ago, W70AO is the only station I've ever seen above channel 69) It would have been in the early 1980s. I'm sure it didn't last past the mid-80s. ISTR WBAY's ended up moving to channel 8 & then being sold into LPTV service?
I could only speculate as to why WISN and WBAY wanted translators in Fond du Lac. I might speculate that the viewership in these counties was almost perfectly split between Milwaukee and Green Bay stations, and thus that the counties' market assignments were "up for grabs". If more than 50% of the households in Sheboygan County watched channels 2/5/11 instead of channels 4/6/12, (and 10 and 18) then Sheboygan Co. got assigned to the Green Bay market and the market potentially jumped a few spots.
So if viewers could get a better CBS picture by watching WBAY over the translator, it might push the county over the top & increase the size of the Green Bay market.
Then, once WBAY did it, WISN had to follow suit to avoid losing the county to Green Bay.
But that's just speculation.
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K74AA seems to have already disappeared by 1958.