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answer to Bill
> Carl:
> What if I don't have copper water pipes in our flat? We're
> forced air, not hydronic... but water pipes that go to the
> sink, dishwasher, washer & Dryer are all copper. Would that
> do the trick?
> what kind of coverage / range could one expect to get with a
> ground screen setup if I did just drag some insulated wires
> around the apartment? aren't we talking a whole lot of
> wires to make up a decent ground screen? Would there be so
> many wires that my wife would consider divorcing me because
> our kids hair won't quit standing up?
> -bs
>
> > I'm not Carl (nor do I play him on TV) , but a ground
> screen
> > for a Part 15 AM transmitter isn't hard to arrange. You
> > could run insulated wires around the baseboards (and under
>
> > carpets, if desired) and connect them to the transmitter's
>
> > ground terminal. If you have copper water pipes in your
> > flat, connect them as well. -- JasonW
> >
> > > > The EDM 100 is a pretty powerful unit and it is easy
> to
> > > have
> > > > it become illegal even more (that is, get noticed) by
> > > > operating with a dipole. Now, I do know a guy doing
> > this
> > > > and at a very high position in the sky.......that is
> his
> >
> > > biz
> > > > and I applaud him for having the b##ls to do
> > > > it................For me (because my opinion above
> > > reflects
> > > > my tests), the EDM didn't require processing, but it
> > could
> > >
> > > > be my studio makes up for it; I'm not sure on
> > > that......EDM
> > > > sounds like your favorite FM station, like the sstran
> > > sounds
> > > > for me.............
> > > > Basically, the coverage for the sstran with my
> antenna,
> > > and
> > > > the EDM with the wire is pretty damn close; the
> > > difference
> > > > is you will get the FM drift with EDM if you don't
> have
> > a
> > > > clear frequency, and most places don't have
> one.....the
> > AM
> > >
> > > > is kind of better in this case because the likelyhood
> of
> >
> > > > finding a clear frequency is better, so at the end of
> > your
> > >
> > > > contour, you will most likely get AM static, but you
> may
> >
> > > get
> > > > a much better pattern with AM over FM at these
> > > powers......I
> > > > WILL say that customers using my antenna at a high
> > height
> > > do
> > > > report large contours, all of which are very legal,
> and
> > > > again, unless you interfere with a commercial station,
>
> > you
> > >
> > > > will never hear about how strong your signal is...with
>
> > FM
> > > it
> > > > is different; everyone tends to look at this. If you
>
> > > have
> > > > 5 miles of signal on FM, you will definately be picked
>
> > off
> > >
> > > > at being a pirate, even though you are only using
> > > > 100mW......so the basic thinking here is use AM for a
> > > > longer, far reaching signal, and FM for something very
>
> > > local
> > > > for your neighbors......just my penny of thought for
> > > > today!!.....Carl
> > > >
> > >
> > > Carl:
> > > We are moving into an upper flat, and I don't think I'd
> > have
> > > a way to put in a ground screen on the landlords
> property
> > to
> > > do AM, otherwise I would. Do you think even a mile of
> > > coverage with the EDM could potentially get me in
> trouble?
> >
> > > Couldn't I just use a super crappy transmit antenna? I
> > > still do not believe you can get more than 1/2 mile with
> a
> >
> > > 100MW transmitter... but the only reason I say that is
> > > because I barely got 1/4 mi with the old RAMSEY
> > Transmitter
> > > I had 2 years ago.
> > > BILL
> > >
> >
>
Like Jason said, ground radials can be placed under a deck, (and I do build an antenna for decks which is 6.5 feet tall!), or on a deck, and is easily covered with an indoor/outdoor grass or rug easily and cheaply purchased at your local home center......If you run wires inside the house, YOU WILL GET YELLED AT; TRUST ME, BEEN THERE DONE THAT!!!...and that doesn't work well anyway, so don't attempt it or we may have to call you BILL BOBBIT (joke).
......................................
In answer to your EDM 100 question; yes it is a pretty powerful unit even with a very very poor antenna. It does a good job of achieving as long a range as the sstran with my antenna does~PROVIDED YOU HAVE A CLEAR FREQUENCY. And you don't want to step on a commercial broadcaster. That is why I advocate the AM so much over FM; especially in cities, the dial is so crowded that it is hard to find a clear frequency on FM to use, let alone not interfere...................
It is much easier to find a clear or nearly clear AM frequency than a FM, and the signal most likely will be better for nearly all people.............Here is what I think the advantages are of the two:
1. With the FM, literally, if you live in an apartment building with many residents to reach, you may be able to get by without an external antenna at all with the EDM 100. If you wish to reach those outside your flat, and extend the antenna outside, it will, for the most part be illegal, and in a city, that is risky.
2. With the AM, your building will hear it, and those surrounding you will hear it without being illegal at all. ..............................
That is the major differences as I see them between the two........my 4 cents; and I need change for my nickle!
)......Carl ([email protected])<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected], [email protected],[email protected]</P>
> Carl:
> What if I don't have copper water pipes in our flat? We're
> forced air, not hydronic... but water pipes that go to the
> sink, dishwasher, washer & Dryer are all copper. Would that
> do the trick?
> what kind of coverage / range could one expect to get with a
> ground screen setup if I did just drag some insulated wires
> around the apartment? aren't we talking a whole lot of
> wires to make up a decent ground screen? Would there be so
> many wires that my wife would consider divorcing me because
> our kids hair won't quit standing up?
> -bs
>
> > I'm not Carl (nor do I play him on TV) , but a ground
> screen
> > for a Part 15 AM transmitter isn't hard to arrange. You
> > could run insulated wires around the baseboards (and under
>
> > carpets, if desired) and connect them to the transmitter's
>
> > ground terminal. If you have copper water pipes in your
> > flat, connect them as well. -- JasonW
> >
> > > > The EDM 100 is a pretty powerful unit and it is easy
> to
> > > have
> > > > it become illegal even more (that is, get noticed) by
> > > > operating with a dipole. Now, I do know a guy doing
> > this
> > > > and at a very high position in the sky.......that is
> his
> >
> > > biz
> > > > and I applaud him for having the b##ls to do
> > > > it................For me (because my opinion above
> > > reflects
> > > > my tests), the EDM didn't require processing, but it
> > could
> > >
> > > > be my studio makes up for it; I'm not sure on
> > > that......EDM
> > > > sounds like your favorite FM station, like the sstran
> > > sounds
> > > > for me.............
> > > > Basically, the coverage for the sstran with my
> antenna,
> > > and
> > > > the EDM with the wire is pretty damn close; the
> > > difference
> > > > is you will get the FM drift with EDM if you don't
> have
> > a
> > > > clear frequency, and most places don't have
> one.....the
> > AM
> > >
> > > > is kind of better in this case because the likelyhood
> of
> >
> > > > finding a clear frequency is better, so at the end of
> > your
> > >
> > > > contour, you will most likely get AM static, but you
> may
> >
> > > get
> > > > a much better pattern with AM over FM at these
> > > powers......I
> > > > WILL say that customers using my antenna at a high
> > height
> > > do
> > > > report large contours, all of which are very legal,
> and
> > > > again, unless you interfere with a commercial station,
>
> > you
> > >
> > > > will never hear about how strong your signal is...with
>
> > FM
> > > it
> > > > is different; everyone tends to look at this. If you
>
> > > have
> > > > 5 miles of signal on FM, you will definately be picked
>
> > off
> > >
> > > > at being a pirate, even though you are only using
> > > > 100mW......so the basic thinking here is use AM for a
> > > > longer, far reaching signal, and FM for something very
>
> > > local
> > > > for your neighbors......just my penny of thought for
> > > > today!!.....Carl
> > > >
> > >
> > > Carl:
> > > We are moving into an upper flat, and I don't think I'd
> > have
> > > a way to put in a ground screen on the landlords
> property
> > to
> > > do AM, otherwise I would. Do you think even a mile of
> > > coverage with the EDM could potentially get me in
> trouble?
> >
> > > Couldn't I just use a super crappy transmit antenna? I
> > > still do not believe you can get more than 1/2 mile with
> a
> >
> > > 100MW transmitter... but the only reason I say that is
> > > because I barely got 1/4 mi with the old RAMSEY
> > Transmitter
> > > I had 2 years ago.
> > > BILL
> > >
> >
>
Like Jason said, ground radials can be placed under a deck, (and I do build an antenna for decks which is 6.5 feet tall!), or on a deck, and is easily covered with an indoor/outdoor grass or rug easily and cheaply purchased at your local home center......If you run wires inside the house, YOU WILL GET YELLED AT; TRUST ME, BEEN THERE DONE THAT!!!...and that doesn't work well anyway, so don't attempt it or we may have to call you BILL BOBBIT (joke).
......................................
In answer to your EDM 100 question; yes it is a pretty powerful unit even with a very very poor antenna. It does a good job of achieving as long a range as the sstran with my antenna does~PROVIDED YOU HAVE A CLEAR FREQUENCY. And you don't want to step on a commercial broadcaster. That is why I advocate the AM so much over FM; especially in cities, the dial is so crowded that it is hard to find a clear frequency on FM to use, let alone not interfere...................
It is much easier to find a clear or nearly clear AM frequency than a FM, and the signal most likely will be better for nearly all people.............Here is what I think the advantages are of the two:
1. With the FM, literally, if you live in an apartment building with many residents to reach, you may be able to get by without an external antenna at all with the EDM 100. If you wish to reach those outside your flat, and extend the antenna outside, it will, for the most part be illegal, and in a city, that is risky.
2. With the AM, your building will hear it, and those surrounding you will hear it without being illegal at all. ..............................
That is the major differences as I see them between the two........my 4 cents; and I need change for my nickle!
)......Carl ([email protected])<P ID="signature">______________[email protected], [email protected],[email protected]</P>