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getting my collge to stream live

O

Ozman

Hey I was curious If you guys knew what the best way to go about doing this, Many radio Dj's at my college station want to stream our college radio station 91.5 the impuse up in vt (wwlr). I was curious on any suggestions you guys might have though whats holding us up, keeping in mind we only have less then a meg of bandwith to use and only a cost of less than 1000$ a year to spare.
thanks -OZ
 
> Hey I was curious If you guys knew what the best way to go
> about doing this, Many radio Dj's at my college station want
> to stream our college radio station 91.5 the impuse up in vt
> (wwlr). I was curious on any suggestions you guys might have
> though whats holding us up, keeping in mind we only have
> less then a meg of bandwith to use and only a cost of less
> than 1000$ a year to spare.
> thanks -OZ
>
Maybe try shoutcast.com? It's free.
 
cool do you guys have any other ideas where you might be able to use windows media player or real player
-OZ

> > Hey I was curious If you guys knew what the best way to go
>
> > about doing this, Many radio Dj's at my college station
> want
> > to stream our college radio station 91.5 the impuse up in
> vt
> > (wwlr). I was curious on any suggestions you guys might
> have
> > though whats holding us up, keeping in mind we only have
> > less then a meg of bandwith to use and only a cost of less
>
> > than 1000$ a year to spare.
> > thanks -OZ
> >
> Maybe try shoutcast.com? It's free.
>
 
It's entirely possible to use Shoutcast with both Windows Media Player and Real Player...I'd love to share the info with you, send me an e-mail: [email protected].

> cool do you guys have any other ideas where you might be
> able to use windows media player or real player
> -OZ
>
> > > Hey I was curious If you guys knew what the best way to
> go
> >
> > > about doing this, Many radio Dj's at my college station
> > want
> > > to stream our college radio station 91.5 the impuse up
> in
> > vt
> > > (wwlr). I was curious on any suggestions you guys might
> > have
> > > though whats holding us up, keeping in mind we only have
>
> > > less then a meg of bandwith to use and only a cost of
> less
> >
> > > than 1000$ a year to spare.
> > > thanks -OZ
> > >
> > Maybe try shoutcast.com? It's free.
> >
>
 
Live365.com is also a way to go. Shoutcast is great if your school has the bandwidth to support multiple connections to your shoutcast server. If not, we've had great success with Live365. College radio falls under the professional broadcasting agreement, however I believe with CBI, there is a discount to member stations. One other thing to keep in mind when researching an internet stream are licensing fees. Your stream must also be licensed which costs $$$ as well.

Here are some links to help you out:

http://www.live365.com - Live 365
<a target="_blank" href=http://www.collegebroadcasters.org>http://www.collegebroadcasters.org</a> - CBI

Any questions, drop me a line.

=======================================
Tim Staskiewicz ::: Program Director
90.7 WXIN-FM ::: Providence, R.I.
"Your Station... Your Music..."
http://www.ricradio.org
[email protected]
 
thanks for all the help. I'll tell my gm about all these links and hopefully we can stream live soon/someday
-DJ OZ wwlr 91.5 the impuse
> Live365.com is also a way to go. Shoutcast is great if your
> school has the bandwidth to support multiple connections to
> your shoutcast server. If not, we've had great success with
> Live365. College radio falls under the professional
> broadcasting agreement, however I believe with CBI, there is
> a discount to member stations. One other thing to keep in
> mind when researching an internet stream are licensing fees.
> Your stream must also be licensed which costs $$$ as well.
>
> Here are some links to help you out:
>
> http://www.shoutcast.com - ShoutCast
> http://www.live365.com - Live 365
> http://www.collegebroadcasters.org - CBI
>
> Any questions, drop me a line.
>
> =======================================
> Tim Staskiewicz ::: Program Director
> 90.7 WXIN-FM ::: Providence, R.I.
> "Your Station... Your Music..."
> http://www.ricradio.org
> [email protected]
>
 
> Hey I was curious If you guys knew what the best way to go
> about doing this, Many radio Dj's at my college station want
> to stream our college radio station 91.5 the impuse up in vt
> (wwlr). I was curious on any suggestions you guys might have
> though whats holding us up, keeping in mind we only have
> less then a meg of bandwith to use and only a cost of less
> than 1000$ a year to spare.
> thanks -OZ

You will be limited both by the your available bandwidth and by dollars.

First, let's talk royalties. ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC royalties are not covered by the blanket licenses for your over-the-air signal; however, licenses with these PROs for your CAMPUS could cover your stream at no additional cost. You should check with whoever handles the licenses for your campus, usually someone in student life. A separate license is needed with a company called SoundExchange for your stream with, thanks to the DPRA and DMCA. If your campus enrollment is <10,000 this will run $275 per year. If your enrollment is 10,000 or more the SE fee will be $525 per year (as of 2005). Keep in mind that if you were to start today, you would owe the entire fee for the calendar year 2005. SE fees for 2006+ have yet to be determined. The official negotiating period has now passed without an agreement with SE, but discussions continue.

Your bandwidth will only allow you a couple of dozen simultaneous streams, depending on the individual stream bandwidth you select. Most people overestimate the number of simultaneous online listeners a typical college station will draw. The AVERAGE for most barely breaks into double digits, though peak demand might be slightly higher. Sports play-by-play broadcasts on many college stations create spikes in online listening.

You might test the concept by streaming yourself, then expand to a third-party service like Live365 if/when demand warrants. This would give you the chance to come up with additional dollars after you've proven the demand. Live365 offers a discount for members of Collegiate Broadcasters, Inc. (CBI).

Assuming you can get your hands on a couple of machines (it's best to use a separate machine for encoding the audio and another for the server -- the machines do not need to be terribly robust) you could do it for very little cost. SHOUTcast is probably the easiest to get going for no cost. RealNetworks' Helix has a freebie version with limited functionality. Windows Media requires the server version of the OS, and is therefore not as cheap as the others. Apple's Darwin server is available for most operating systems, including Windows, but less than 7% of client machines have QuickTime so it's not worth the bother. Long story short, I'd suggest starting with SHOUTcast.

There are also statutory limitations on what can be included in the Webcast, and a requirement to simultaneously display artist, song title, and album title information. I won't go into these in detail, but I'm sure these limitations will stir up some discussion.
 
Hey OZ,

As far as ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC are concerned. Have an exec board meeting with Mark H (advisor). He can easily help you take care of those money hungry royalty folks. All of the broadcasting methods the other folks mentioned are good as far as I know. Also have Mark take you guys throug the proper IT channels for the bandwidth issues. Mike D is the man to meet with. All administration is on your side, trust me. You guys are in good shape as far as I know and getting The Impulse finally on the web will be sweet. Let me know if I can help you in any way! (Also look into the IBS newsletters for more streaming info).

-PJ


> > Hey I was curious If you guys knew what the best way to go
>
> > about doing this, Many radio Dj's at my college station
> want
> > to stream our college radio station 91.5 the impuse up in
> vt
> > (wwlr). I was curious on any suggestions you guys might
> have
> > though whats holding us up, keeping in mind we only have
> > less then a meg of bandwith to use and only a cost of less
>
> > than 1000$ a year to spare.
> > thanks -OZ
>
> You will be limited both by the your available bandwidth and
> by dollars.
>
> First, let's talk royalties. ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC
> royalties are not covered by the blanket licenses for your
> over-the-air signal; however, licenses with these PROs for
> your CAMPUS could cover your stream at no additional cost.
> You should check with whoever handles the licenses for your
> campus, usually someone in student life. A separate license
> is needed with a company called SoundExchange for your
> stream with, thanks to the DPRA and DMCA. If your campus
> enrollment is
>
 
> As far as ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC are concerned. Have an exec
> board meeting with Mark H (advisor). He can easily help you
> take care of those money hungry royalty folks.

You should probably look at at least $300-$500 a year in addition to your over the air music licenses. This would cover RIAA and the other three.

>> Also have Mark take you guys throug the
> proper IT channels for the bandwidth issues. Mike D is the
> man to meet with. All administration is on your side, trust
> me.

This is good for your station. Bandwidth will be an issue, depending on the campus connection, your method of streaming, and the number of users. Does your station broadcast sporting events? If so, you will usually have more listeners for these games on the web then you think. Make sure you discuss this aspect with your IT department. WM, MP3, or QT are teh ways to go. Real is very expensive and limited in its allowable connections, unless you want to fork over big bucks. If bandwidth is an issue, look to going outside, such as live 365 or Streamguys. Public Interactive is another method. In these cases, you send them one stream, and they give you the bandwidth.

More help is available at <a href=http://www.collegebroadcasters.org>CBI.</a> They have been at the forefront of preserving streaming for college stations and have been also have some of the best people in the country on board to advise you.
 
thanks
I really hope I can get our college to stream
> > As far as ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC are concerned.
Have an
> exec
> > board meeting with Mark H (advisor). He can easily help
> you
> > take care of those money hungry royalty folks.
>
> You should probably look at at least $300-$500 a year in
> addition to your over the air music licenses. This would
> cover RIAA and the other three.
>
> >> Also have Mark take you guys throug the
> > proper IT channels for the bandwidth issues. Mike D is the
>
> > man to meet with. All administration is on your side,
> trust
> > me.
>
> This is good for your station. Bandwidth will be an issue,
> depending on the campus connection, your method of
> streaming, and the number of users. Does your station
> broadcast sporting events? If so, you will usually have more
> listeners for these games on the web then you think. Make
> sure you discuss this aspect with your IT department. WM,
> MP3, or QT are teh ways to go. Real is very expensive and
> limited in its allowable connections, unless you want to
> fork over big bucks. If bandwidth is an issue, look to going
> outside, such as live 365 or Streamguys. Public Interactive
> is another method. In these cases, you send them one stream,
> and they give you the bandwidth.
>
> More help is available at CBI. They have been at the
> forefront of preserving streaming for college stations and
> have been also have some of the best people in the country
> on board to advise you.
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Ozman on 08/15/05 04:09 AM.</FONT></P>
 
No prob, I am sure you will not have any trouble as long as you are patient and take the proper steps via the proper channels....doing things that way will almost always yield what you want.

> thanks
> I really hope I can get our college to stream
> > > As far as ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC are concerned.
> Have an
> > exec
> > > board meeting with Mark H (advisor). He can easily help
> > you
> > > take care of those money hungry royalty folks.
> >
> > You should probably look at at least $300-$500 a year in
> > addition to your over the air music licenses. This would
> > cover RIAA and the other three.
> >
> > >> Also have Mark take you guys throug the
> > > proper IT channels for the bandwidth issues. Mike D is
> the
> >
> > > man to meet with. All administration is on your side,
> > trust
> > > me.
> >
> > This is good for your station. Bandwidth will be an issue,
>
> > depending on the campus connection, your method of
> > streaming, and the number of users. Does your station
> > broadcast sporting events? If so, you will usually have
> more
> > listeners for these games on the web then you think. Make
> > sure you discuss this aspect with your IT department. WM,
> > MP3, or QT are teh ways to go. Real is very expensive and
> > limited in its allowable connections, unless you want to
> > fork over big bucks. If bandwidth is an issue, look to
> going
> > outside, such as live 365 or Streamguys. Public
> Interactive
> > is another method. In these cases, you send them one
> stream,
> > and they give you the bandwidth.
> >
> > More help is available at CBI. They have been at the
> > forefront of preserving streaming for college stations and
>
> > have been also have some of the best people in the country
>
> > on board to advise you.
> >
>
 
The technical stuff is easy compared to what the rules say about reporting the playlist to Sound Exchange. Every song is supposed to be logged with 6 to 8 pieces of information about it - like song title, album name, etc. If you are lucky, your advisor will believe the "experts" who tell you to ignore the rules and not bother with tracking the data. Some major college stations are not streaming because they don't want to be the test case for those not reporting songs.
 
>Windows Media requires the server version of the OS, and is therefore not as cheap as the others.

I've used Windows Media Encoder on XP machines. It's free and perfectly capable of broadcasting.

>There are also statutory limitations on what can be included in the Webcast, and a requirement to simultaneously display artist, song title, and album title information.

I'd be interested in this, my college station doesn't do this for our real stream
 
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