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Giants-Jets game not on in Hartford

MarcB

MarcB

Since the Giants-Jets game will at 1PM on Sunday (the same time as the Patriots Game), The Giants-Jets game will not be seen in Hartford. WFSB is showing The Patriots game. Joe Zone sports director of WFSB claims there is more interest in the Patriots and the station will always carry The Patriots.



If I wasn't working this Sunday I would be demanding that COX Cable temporarily pick up WCBS/2 so the Giants-Jets game would be seen.
 
Joe Zone can shove it. We're not even a Patriots secondary market (Providence is and that must-carry rule is for road games anyways). I do believe that we are a secondary Giants market, but since they're home in this case, that won't matter. What should have been done is for WFSB-DT to carry The Jets vs Giants on analog channel 3 (channel "3-1") and the Patriots game being carried on their "CBS 3" service for Springfield, MA (channel "3-2").

By the way, I thought COX of Meriden/Southington already carried WCBS-TV?
 
WSHM-LP (a.k.a. "CBS 3") has shown a different game from analog channel 3 before, although I don't think the Patriots were involved in either game.
 
I am a Pats fan, but that doesn't seem right. Connecticut has historically been Giants' country. The Pats are secondary and their main fan base within the state is in eastern CT - where Providence channels are received.

Clearly, this was a decision made by people who don't know anything about the CT audience. Giants versus Patriots isn't even close in Connecticut - the Giants have been THE team shown there for 50 years or so.

By the way, the sports director's name is......Joe Zone? I suppose his dad is named Twilight and mom is End. :D
 
BRNout said:
Connecticut has historically been Giants' country. The Pats are secondary and their main fan base within the state is in eastern CT - where Providence channels are received. Clearly, this was a decision made by people who don't know anything about the CT audience. Giants versus Patriots isn't even close in Connecticut - the Giants have been THE team shown there for 50 years or so.
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I believe FOX 61 has done the same thing. On the rare occasion FOX has a Patriots game at the same time as a Giants game they'll carry the Patriots on FOX 61. They claim the NFL will not allow them to broadcast the other game on CW-20. That shows how different the NFL is from the MLB. In the past a few times both the Yankees and Redsox had Saturday afternoon games and they got permission from the MLB to show the other game on CW-20.
 
But what's the deal? Who are the suits in New York who figure that, because Connecticut is in New England, you MUST root for the Pats? Is it the famous Manhattan myopia?

Ironically, there is a thread in the Northern NE board where one of our colleagues opined that the Red Sox should be heard on the radio throughout New England: "From Poultney to Presque Isle, from Providence to Pittsburg (NH)..." I commented that it should be Greenwich instead of Providence and various replies indicated that I was dipping into Yankee territory there.

No offense was intended, I am sure. It's just that many in New England tend to think of CT as New York territory!

The truth is that it's 50-50 for baseball and 70-30 (Giants) for football. Too bad that the powers that be cannot figure it out. I know from being a UConn alum.....
 
Why is it such a big deal. Its only the Giants who started the season off 0-2. The Patroits are 4-0 going into week 5 of the 2007 NFL Season. The better game is the Patroits game to see if they are going to go 5-0. And for Channel 3 showing the Patriots they are in the AFC and CBS shows the AFC. As for FOX 61 they show the Giants who are in the NFC which FOX shows. Most weeks you can see the Patroits on Channel 3 and Giants on FOX 61 in Connecticut. How come no one complaines why WFSB doesn't show the NY Jets instead of the Pats?

Lets talk baseball now. I rememeber when the Yankees and Red Sox were both on FOX Saturday Baseball playing different teams and FOX 61 used to pick the Yankees which pissed me off but now they pick the Red Sox. And just this year they had both games which was a great idea one on FOX 61 and the other on WTXX CW 20. As for the Mets you can't see much of their games as many people don't get SNY so only games you can see in CT are on WTXX.
 
The point being that the Giants are our default local NFC club and, if I'm not mistaken, a secondary market for the Giants...for road games only (they were the home team today). This wasn't a deal at all for the rest of New England. It most definitely was for Hartford/New Haven. Besides, look how the second half turned out! :)

P.S. 5-0 record or not, NOT everybody in New England is a Patriots fan (I most definitely am NOT and never will be).
 
The Giants are NFC, Patriots are AFC. AFC has precedence on WFSB as they are the CBS station, not that hard to figure out.
 
dustintv said:
The Giants are NFC, Patriots are AFC. AFC has precedence on WFSB as they are the CBS station, not that hard to figure out.
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That's not exactly how it goes. It is by team and geographical location. CBS was carrying the Giants (and Jets) yesterday, as well as the Patriots - the Pats weren't chosen because they are an AFC team and the Giants are NFC. It just does not work that way. They were chosen because of a perception of interest. A perception that was not correct, IMO.

Ironically, here in the Philadelphia market, we were treated to Giants-Jets. Personally, I would have preferred to see the Pats-Browns, but that's just me. Giants-Jets made more sense in this market, because of NY interest across the river in NJ and because the Giants game has relevance to Eagles fans.
 
Thanks for explaining to me better then. I don't usually pay much attention to the Jets and Giants, as mein chancellor Mario Cuomo said the Bills were NY's only true football team because the other two teams play in New Jersey ;)

And I always support the AFC as I felt sorry for them back in the day when the Bills lost four consecutive superbowls and many AFC teams were the laughingstock of the NFL. Who's laughing now?
 
It has everything to do with CBS and the AFC, and nothing to with the Giants. CBS is AFC. It is a choice about whether WFSB should carry the Patriots or the Jets. Who the Jets are playing is irrelevant.

Also, WFSB does not have an obligation to viewers in the entire state, just Litchfield, Hartford, Middlesex, New Haven, Windham, Tolland and New London counties. Fairfield County is part of the NY television market, and WCBS has the rights to that area and can carry the Jets game.

I've also heard that in the Hartford/New Haven market a study shows that more people like the Patriots than the Jets. Might be a good time for Quinnipiac to do another study.
 
No, that is not correct. Those telecasts are the property of the NFL. CBS cannot summarily choose an AFC team over an NFC one - by contract they are bound to carry the games in each team's primary and secondary markets. That means serving Giants fans as well as Jets fans. If the Giants are hosting the Broncos, guess what? CBS is bound by contract to show the game in the same parts of Giants' territory as Fox would - as well as in the usual markets where the Broncos are shown. Their contract is with the NFL and not with the AFC. Yes, they cover AFC games, but they must not play favorites in the case of an interconference game.

However, yesterday was a special case where one network (CBS) was faced with having to choose between two teams for which H/NH is a secondary market. A judgment call. A pick 'em. My contention is that they chose incorrectly.

On a different note, I'm going to call you out on this "poll" that shows more Patriots fans in the market than Giants fans. Sorry, but I do not and will not believe it until I see some backup for this statement. Personally, I do not think that this was ever true and, after the Pats jilted Hartford over the stadium deal (causing bad feelings), it certainly is not true.

Without a doubt, there are many more Giants fans than Pats fans in Litchfield and New Haven Counties. My guess is that the Giants fans outnumber Pats fans in Hartford and Middlesex Counties too, though it's more even. Only Tolland, Windham and New London Counties would be Pats territory. The Jets are a non-starter, it is the Giants that are at issue here.

And, of all people, channel 3's management should know better after being the home of the Giants for some 40+ years.
 
There's a good reason why

Look at the records going into Week 5:

Cleveland (2-2) at New England (4-0)
NY Jets (1-3) at NY Giants (2-2)

WFSB-3 did the proper thing and aired the Browns-Patriots game.

MarcB said:
If I wasn't working this Sunday I would be demanding that COX Cable temporarily pick up WCBS/2 so the Giants-Jets game would be seen.
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Cox Cable could have run afoul of the NFL in doing so.

For the record Hartford/New Haven is not a secondary market for the Giants. Last year in Week 12, Fox had Bears-Patriots and Giants-Titans at 4:15 ET; Fox 61 aired Bears-Patriots.
 
To be fair, it makes a lot of sense when Fox 61 chooses the Patriots over the Giants (when both are on Fox). Why? Because, toss in Western MA (part of Fox 61's primary service area) and the majority of the viewership does want to see the Pats. But, in the case of WFSB, its not so. Let WSHM carry the Pats for Springfield/Holyoke/Northampton and WFSB should carry the Giants for Hartford/New Haven/Waterbury.

And, I am not sure what part of CT you guys are from, but there are very few Patriots fans in places like Waterbury or New Haven. Yet the Giants have good support in Hartford. Do the math.
 
Why all the sticking up for the Giants. Now what about the people that want to see the Patroits game they couldn't cause the Giants game would of been on Channel 3 instead. Im not a fan of either team but I'd rather watch the Pats then Giants. Anyways most of the coast of Connecticut people can get CBS 2 WCBS-TV from New York City such as New Haven and Waterbury. So they can see both games. Best of both worlds they get two games instead of Giants on both CBS stations. I say Connecticut being part of New England along with Maine, MA, VT, NH, and RI Channel 3 did the smart thing by showing the Patroits. Only part of CT that counts as NY is Fairfield.
 
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