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Gimme Gimme Gimme

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Saving Big Bird my foot. More like saving Silverstein's $400k yearly salary + benefits.
 
If his primary concern was his personal salary, he wouldn't run kids programming all day. And if gov't funding goes away, you can bet public TV will become a lot more like commercial TV. Which means lowest common denominator programming that will attract funding.
 
Public broadcasting has been receiving federal funding since 1965. The original concept was to provide public broadcasting with 'seed money' until that organization could fiscally stand on its own feet. It is not only mine but others who believe that if some public stations can afford to pay management six figure salaries, then it is time for the feds to pull funding.

What I find amusing is how these so-called intellectuals at CPB never bothered to make a deal with the Children's Television Workshop that in order to run Sesame Street, CPB would get a percentage of any revenue generated from the sale of toys and other items created by the CTW. Instead Sesame Street has made millions of dollars; some of that money would could have gone into the coffers to fund public broadcasting instead of relying on taxpayer dollars for the past 47 years.

The people who defend government funding for public broadcasting are the same ones who have no problem with supporting welfare; which is another Great Society idea that was never designed to be a generational program but just to provide temporary assistance to people in need.
 
TheBigA said:
If his primary concern was his personal salary, he wouldn't run kids programming all day. And if gov't funding goes away, you can bet public TV will become a lot more like commercial TV. Which means lowest common denominator programming that will attract funding.

And airing Rolling Stones concerts during TV fundraising drives brings PubTV to its highest common denominator?
 
The Voice of Reason said:
And airing Rolling Stones concerts during TV fundraising drives brings PubTV to its highest common denominator?

They air the Stones concerts because it attracts money. But 48 weeks a year, they run Nova and Masterpiece Theater. Even though they pre-empt the normal schedule at night, they still run the kid's programming during the day. If the concern was to drive up the CEO's salary, they would also pre-empt the kid's shows, because those shows don't attract member dollars.
 
TheBigA said:
Even though they pre-empt the normal schedule at night, they still run the kid's programming during the day. If the concern was to drive up the CEO's salary, they would also pre-empt the kid's shows, because those shows don't attract member dollars.

Well then, maybe they need to call Soupy. He knows how to get money from kids. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-OGy3Kh7yM
 
VOR needs to chill out on this obsession with one man, once and for all.
 
Bob1370 said:
VOR needs to chill out on this obsession with one man, once and for all.

No Doctor Bob what this community needs to know is why the head of a non-profit organization (your employer) is making more money than the governor of New York and the president of the United States especially in an economy where millions of people are unemployed and that tax dollars goes towards funding public broadcasting when in many cases that entity can afford to pay executives six figure salaries.

I can understand why you are upset that I pose such questions, but they need to be answered. And in this case I was responding to your boss' yearly newspaper article supporting government funding for public broadcasting while he makes close to $400,000 a year, plus benefits.

If your station was funded solely by its viewers and listeners, then I wouldn't care what your boss makes each year. But after 47 years of federal taxpayer bailouts under a Great Society program initiated by Lyndon Johnson back in 1965, it is about time that public broadcasting stands on its own two feet and stops taking taxpayer dollars.
 
The Voice of Reason said:
No Doctor Bob what this community needs to know is why the head of a non-profit organization (your employer) is making more money than the governor of New York and the president of the United States especially in an economy where millions of people are unemployed and that tax dollars goes towards funding public broadcasting when in many cases that entity can afford to pay executives six figure salaries.

There's a difference between working for the government and receiving government funding. You don't seem upset that the oil company CEO's are paid millions while their companies also receive government funding. You don't seem upset that dictators of foreign governments live in splendor while they also receive billions in US taxpayer money. You don't seem upset that the CEO of the Red Cross makes $500,000 a year.

You assume if the money didn't go to public broadcasting that it would be given to the unemployed or other needy cases. The stated purpose for the money cut from public broadcasting is to give tax breaks to people making over $1 million a year and increase spending on defense. How does that help the unemployed?
 
It's a sure sign you're losing the argument, BigA, when you change the subject. The CEO salaries of oil companies have nothing to do with pubcaster executive salaries. The resplendent lifestyles of third-world dictators have even less to do with WXXI management compensation.

When I was a kid, a Coke from a vending machine was a dime or a quarter. Now it's a buck or two. What's next, a favorable comparison with the rate of increase of soft drink prices with the salary increase curve for Norm Silverstein??
 
Savage said:
It's a sure sign you're losing the argument, BigA, when you change the subject. The CEO salaries of oil companies have nothing to do with pubcaster executive salaries. The resplendent lifestyles of third-world dictators have even less to do with WXXI management compensation.

Read the quote I was responding to. VOR was complaining that the WXXI CEO makes more than the governor or president. His salary has nothing to do with that of a government official. The subject is private companies that receive government funding. I'm very much on subject.
 
Don't forget, Norm has to pay for his own security details and housing. Norm gets the swanky car, but not the driver.
I'm pretty sure that both the Governor & the President come out ahead in the long run.
 
SirRoxalot said:
Don't forget, Norm has to pay for his own security details and housing.

Security detail? Granted that a majority of employees would like to see him depart but I highly doubt they would stoop to anything violent as a means of getting rid of him.
 
For some time now, I've observed tye debates and discussions on this board regarding public broadcasting, but hardly ever participated in them. Now, I'd like to add my voice to this topic. I know some of what I am about to say might offend or outrage certain posters on this board. I apologize in advance.

It is my opinion that eliminating government funding for public television and radio would negatively impact both mediums. This concern is a legitimate one.

If and when government funding is eliminated, stations will be forced to either come up with new funding sources, or find ways to do without. Either way, I think it's obvious that the areas that will be impacted the most are radio and television programming.

For many, the obvious solution would be to simply allow non-commercial broadcasters to start running conventional ads, and make them fight for the same dollars the commercial broadcasting companies in the market have been fighting over for decades. If indeed "public" broadcasters are forced to turn to commercialism to stay afloat, they will certainly need to ensure that their programming will attract a mass audience. As a result, I fear the superior news and talk programming that we've all come to expect from these stations would need to be toned down so as to be able to compete with their commercial rivals. Further, you can forget about arts and cultural programming in most cases. Commercial radio has more or less given up on such formats as Classical and Jazz. Public radio has proven to be the last oasis for these formats in most markets. (Granted, public stations, too, are seemingly giving up on these formats. Could it be that station managers are seeing the writing on the wall and preparing for this kind of scenario?) If these formats cannot be "sold" commercially, surely they'll have to go. Where then are we to turn if we want to hear alternative viewpoints, or to broaden our horizons with music that commercial radio could care less about? Just because it cannot be "sold", does not mean it doesn't have the right to be seen or heard on the public airwaves. Public broadcasting, the world over, has ensured that said programming has a place that is free from corporate influence.

I have no problem whatsoever with tax dollars going toward the preservation of such a valuable institution as public broadcasting. In fact, I look at the state-owned public broadcasters abroad, many of which have programming that is far superior to much of what is available on public radio and television stateside, and I often wonder if the quality of OUR programming could be improved by increasing, or, at the very least, maintaining the current level of funding. After all, if our government can afford to fund propaganda machines like VOA, Radio Marti, and Radio Free Asia, there is no reason they cannot help to ensure that there will always be a place on the domestic radio and TV dial for cultural, educational, and informative programming that won't necessarily be cancelled due to lack of ad revenue or poor ratings.

America's model for public broadcasting is by no means perfect. But forcing public broadcasters in a more commercial direction is not the solution.
 
First of all, thank goodness for NPR.

Second, the VOA is just about gone, not much left. The same for Radio Canada and the Shortwave service of the BBC.
 
JakeLongwell said:
If and when government funding is eliminated, stations will be forced to either come up with new funding sources, or find ways to do without. Either way, I think it's obvious that the areas that will be impacted the most are radio and television programming.

Public stations already air commercials. But instead of calling them commercials, they call it underwriting. Underwriting is a mini-me version of a commercial. So these stations in effect are selling advertising on top of receiving pledge donations and federal government funding.

In a capitalistic marketplace, some companies survive while others fail. It might seem harsh, but that is how our system works.
The question here is should the government come in and bail out every public broadcasting operation, even the ones that have the financial resources available to pay their executives six figure salaries?

Now before people start railing on me about bailouts let's put things in perspective. If the auto industry and banks went belly-up that would have had a devastating impact on our nation's economy. If a few radio or TV stations go dark because their viewers and listeners don't bother to donate during fundraising events, how many people would that affect?
 
The Voice of Reason said:
The question here is should the government come in and bail out every public broadcasting operation, even the ones that have the financial resources available to pay their executives six figure salaries?

It's not a bailout. It's a Congressionally approved appropriation, no different from any other similar appropriation that's outlined in federal law. The Public Broadcasting Act outlined how and why this appropriation would take place, and Congress votes on it every year. So it's not a bailout. There are clearly defined purposes for the federal appropriation, so if the money stopped, so would the services they provide.

The Voice of Reason said:
If a few radio or TV stations go dark because their viewers and listeners don't bother to donate during fundraising events, how many people would that affect?

About 236 million.

Here's the irony: The reason the tea party wants to cut funding to public broadcasting is so they can finance further tax cuts to people making more than $250,000 a year. That would include the CEO of WXXI. So by campaigning for continued funding for public broadcasting, the WXXI CEO is actually against his own personal tax cut.
 
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