Glenn Beck in New York

[DiamondJoe]

I've noticed that Glenn Beck has done his show the past few days, as well as a few other occasions this year, from Radio City Music Hall in New York, saying he was in New York to "take care of some business". Now, I realize he works for a huge radio conglomerate, but what are the odds he's in talks about having his show syndicated in New York? WOR, maybe?<P ID="signature">______________


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[bierkenstock]

Long. From what I read, the show has peaked and he's losing - not gaining - affiliates. Granted, WOR needs help in the daypart. Joan Hamburg has to be pulling the Sun City demo. Who would be better in that time slot than Beck? Anybody but Gallagher.

WABC currently runs Laura Ingraham on delay in the evening. Smart move might be for WOR to take the show live. Tony Snow from Fox might not be bad either.

If Beck is selling anybody, I'd guess he might be talking to ABC and trying to bump Gambling. Late morning is also a weak link for them.

Beck is currently on a book tour and he's been doing remotes from various cities for the past few weeks as part of that.

And going a little out there: If Jerry Springer has a loophole in his syndication deal with AAR, he can upgrade by pulling the show from WLIB and moving to WOR. Might be good deal for both Springer and WOR. WLIB can take Stephanie Miller in the slot. Springer appears able to do well outside a strict progressive talk environment, but I don't think Stephanie has demonstrated that ability.


> I've noticed that Glenn Beck has done his show the past few
> days, as well as a few other occasions this year, from Radio
> City Music Hall in New York, saying he was in New York to
> "take care of some business". Now, I realize he works for a
> huge radio conglomerate, but what are the odds he's in talks
> about having his show syndicated in New York? WOR, maybe?
> <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bierkenstock on 08/12/05 06:10 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[ajhenderson]

> Long. From what I read, the show has peaked and he's losing
> - not gaining - affiliates. Granted, WOR needs help in the
> daypart. Joan Hamburg has to be pulling the Sun City demo.
> Who would be better in that time slot than Beck? Anybody
> but Gallagher.

I would agree that the odds are not good, because Beck has been in NYC on business before. Premiere certainly has offices there. Your "anybody but Beck" assertion is a bit misguided, though. Beck did get booted off WTAM/Cleveland for Jerry Springer, the only non-libtalker he is on, and the results are mediocre... Jerry drew all of about 50 people at a station event. Beck has lost WGST/Atlanta, a CC bottomfeeder, and WISN/Milwaukee. Outside of that, I hear good things, including rumblings from Salem in LA that they would put Beck on mornings or at least middays if their hands weren't tied to SRN crap.

Despite WOR carrying TRN via Savage, TRN would be crazy to upset WABC by taking Ingraham away. I suppose Beck does a different type of show that some people can not appreciate. It's unfortunate that talentless hacks like Tony Snow and the object of PD's self-gratification fantasies, Larua Ingraham, do well with little radio experience, little creativity, and little entertainment.

As to Gambling, I do think his name would prevent him from being bumped. As much as I like Beck, I do think a once-great station like 770 should have SOME local content. How long before Mark Levin is bumped for ABCRN syndication crapola Mark Davis?

 

[bierkenstock]

What I wrote was "anybody but Gallagher" as a preference but an assertion.

My assertion is Beck's show has peaked. I understand you like his program but I put him in the category of "talentless hacks" (personal opinion) in contrast to people like Rush (to a less extent, Hannity) who are talented, creative and radio. Beck's angry good ol' boy act may play in Tampa, but not in New York.

Since the delayed partial broadcast of Laura Ingraham is the only TRN show on WABC, I don't they need to worry too much about upsetting WABC. ABC and TRN are competitors in the syndication business and WABC has show a preference for shows from the company stable.

> I would agree that the odds are not good, because Beck has
> been in NYC on business before. Premiere certainly has
> offices there. Your "anybody but Beck" assertion is a bit
> misguided, though. Beck did get booted off WTAM/Cleveland
> for Jerry Springer, the only non-libtalker he is on, and the
> results are mediocre... Jerry drew all of about 50 people at
> a station event. Beck has lost WGST/Atlanta, a CC
> bottomfeeder, and WISN/Milwaukee. Outside of that, I hear
> good things, including rumblings from Salem in LA that they
> would put Beck on mornings or at least middays if their
> hands weren't tied to SRN crap.
>
> Despite WOR carrying TRN via Savage, TRN would be crazy to
> upset WABC by taking Ingraham away. I suppose Beck does a
> different type of show that some people can not appreciate.
> It's unfortunate that talentless hacks like Tony Snow and
> the object of PD's self-gratification fantasies, Larua
> Ingraham, do well with little radio experience, little
> creativity, and little entertainment.
>
> As to Gambling, I do think his name would prevent him from
> being bumped. As much as I like Beck, I do think a
> once-great station like 770 should have SOME local content.
> How long before Mark Levin is bumped for ABCRN syndication
> crapola Mark Davis?
>

 

[edbeckdotcom]

Glenn Beck is a great show, and I'll sometimes catch the show on XM. However,
are we skirting a bigger issue here, could New York support a 3rd talker? If so,
where might it be located, on the AM, FM or HD band?

-ed

 

[ajhenderson]

> Glenn Beck is a great show, and I'll sometimes catch the
> show on XM. However,
> are we skirting a bigger issue here, could New York support
> a 3rd talker? If so,
> where might it be located, on the AM, FM or HD band?

Yes; WOR should be summarily blown up and turned into a more hip station a la WTKK/Boston, which has blown past quasi-heritage WRKO with its boring lineup.

5-9 Local
9-12 Glenn Beck
12-7 Local
7-10 Michael Savage
10-1 ??
1-5 Local

If Buckley wants to keep the 85+ demo, they can LMA 1480 and move their yawnfest over there.

 

[ajhenderson]

> What I wrote was "anybody but Gallagher" as a preference but
> an assertion.
>
> My assertion is Beck's show has peaked. I understand you
> like his program but I put him in the category of
> "talentless hacks" (personal opinion) in contrast to people
> like Rush (to a less extent, Hannity) who are talented,
> creative and radio. Beck's angry good ol' boy act may play
> in Tampa, but not in New York.

I understand your assessment of my assertion, but I disagree thoroughly that Sean Hannity is at all talented. I've yet to meet, face-to-face, a radio guy who thinks Hannity is worth a bag of donuts. Same old guests, boring monologues, pimping the RNC, carrying water to get top guests, too many "how are yous" and "you're a great American" with callers, mediocre voice, no originality, Rush rip-off, went bigtime by copying Rush's schtick in the daypart right after Rush... not hard to get listeners.

Likewise, I can understand why you do not like Glenn Beck, and my comments are opinion only. However, I do think that, on paper, Glenn uses unique tactics to express an idea, utilizes humor (which is usually funny), has no guests and fewer callers (both of which are crutches except for a few good hosts like Dr. Laura or Leykis). Perhaps Beck would not work in NY - although I would assert that entertainment is always in demand, and compared to Rambling and Joan, Beck would work well. Sure, he might drive off the geriatrics, but when a heritage station is as bad as 710, I advocate a serious facelift. And while you're at it, how about some KFI-style imaging (which bierkenstock knows is another favorite of mine) and positioners like "Where local news comes first".

> Since the delayed partial broadcast of Laura Ingraham is the
> only TRN show on WABC, I don't they need to worry too much
> about upsetting WABC. ABC and TRN are competitors in the
> syndication business and WABC has show a preference for
> shows from the company stable.
>
> > I would agree that the odds are not good, because Beck has
>
> > been in NYC on business before. Premiere certainly has
> > offices there. Your "anybody but Beck" assertion is a bit
> > misguided, though. Beck did get booted off WTAM/Cleveland
> > for Jerry Springer, the only non-libtalker he is on, and
> the
> > results are mediocre... Jerry drew all of about 50 people
> at
> > a station event. Beck has lost WGST/Atlanta, a CC
> > bottomfeeder, and WISN/Milwaukee. Outside of that, I hear
> > good things, including rumblings from Salem in LA that
> they
> > would put Beck on mornings or at least middays if their
> > hands weren't tied to SRN crap.
> >
> > Despite WOR carrying TRN via Savage, TRN would be crazy to
>
> > upset WABC by taking Ingraham away. I suppose Beck does a
> > different type of show that some people can not
> appreciate.
> > It's unfortunate that talentless hacks like Tony Snow and
> > the object of PD's self-gratification fantasies, Larua
> > Ingraham, do well with little radio experience, little
> > creativity, and little entertainment.
> >
> > As to Gambling, I do think his name would prevent him from
>
> > being bumped. As much as I like Beck, I do think a
> > once-great station like 770 should have SOME local
> content.
> > How long before Mark Levin is bumped for ABCRN syndication
>
> > crapola Mark Davis?
> >
>

 

[SPRINGFIELDRAD]

> I've noticed that Glenn Beck has done his show the past few
> days, as well as a few other occasions this year, from Radio
> City Music Hall in New York, saying he was in New York to
> "take care of some business". Now, I realize he works for a
> huge radio conglomerate, but what are the odds he's in talks
> about having his show syndicated in New York? WOR, maybe?

Glenn Beck on WOR? Little chance. Didn't WABC air Beck on the weekends a few years ago?

 

[Mike_Merr]

> > I've noticed that Glenn Beck has done his show the past
> few
> > days, as well as a few other occasions this year, from
> Radio
> > City Music Hall in New York, saying he was in New York to
> > "take care of some business". Now, I realize he works for
> a
> > huge radio conglomerate, but what are the odds he's in
> talks
> > about having his show syndicated in New York? WOR, maybe?
>
> Glenn Beck on WOR? Little chance. Didn't WABC air Beck on
> the weekends a few years ago?
>

Glenn Beck was on Sunday nights 7-9:30pm until Brian Whitman took over the slot.

 

[SPRINGFIELDRAD]

> > > I've noticed that Glenn Beck has done his show the past
> > few
> > > days, as well as a few other occasions this year, from
> > Radio
> > > City Music Hall in New York, saying he was in New York
> to
> > > "take care of some business". Now, I realize he works
> for
> > a
> > > huge radio conglomerate, but what are the odds he's in
> > talks
> > > about having his show syndicated in New York? WOR,
> maybe?
> >
> > Glenn Beck on WOR? Little chance. Didn't WABC air Beck
> on
> > the weekends a few years ago?
> >
>
> Glenn Beck was on Sunday nights 7-9:30pm until Brian Whitman
> took over the slot.

I remember hearing Beck on Sunday afternoons on WABC. I could be wrong.
>

 

[edbeckdotcom]

Intersting, I can't get past soem of those somewhat foul-ups in timing,
dead air, and that hourly beep that rides over promos to signify the real top-hour. My friend Mark used to slip out the phrase "WOR- We're 80 and so are YOU",
maybe its time for a real overhaul into hot talk with O'Reilly, , Beck, Savage leading the way The jingles are 15 years old already I'd guess. - Where would we put Joy? We can't not have her on.

-ee

 

[Bob1370]

> Long. From what I read, the show has peaked and he's losing
> - not gaining - affiliates. Granted, WOR needs help in the
> daypart. Joan Hamburg has to be pulling the Sun City demo.

WOR seems to be more interested in reliable billing than in ratings and future growth...a lousy strategy but it's unlikely that Buckley will change it any time soon.

> If Beck is selling anybody, I'd guess he might be talking to
> ABC and trying to bump Gambling. Late morning is also a
> weak link for them.

Actually Gambling's numbers, all told, are pretty good for his daypart. He's holding his own. The shrinkage in WABC's overall AQH and cume has been in other dayparts.

> And going a little out there: If Jerry Springer has a
> loophole in his syndication deal with AAR, he can upgrade by
> pulling the show from WLIB and moving to WOR. Might be good
> deal for both Springer and WOR. WLIB can take Stephanie
> Miller in the slot. Springer appears able to do well
> outside a strict progressive talk environment, but I don't
> think Stephanie has demonstrated that ability.

Can't tell what Springer would do on a stronger signal (whether 'OR's or anyone else's); his history in NYC and across the country is too short for a pattern to have emerged, although his TV show has certainly given him name recognition and probably generated some extra sampling.

One thing about Stephanie Miller...back a few years ago, she was by far the strongest act ABC had on its Los Angeles O&O, but a former PD dumped her so he could turn hard right across the lineup in hopes of hurting KFI, and failed miserably. Her track record in appealing to a broad audience is quite good, all the way back to her days as co-host of the top morning show with 25-54 listeners in Rochester in the late '80s. If 'OR or 'LIB are thinking at all about her, they might do best to think about her as co-host of a new local morning drive show.

 

[Bob1370]

> Yes; WOR should be summarily blown up and turned into a more
> hip station a la WTKK/Boston, which has blown past
> quasi-heritage WRKO with its boring lineup.

Haven't heard TKK so I can't comment on why it may be beating 'RKO in the money demos these days (although they all lose out to WBZ). But if I were remaking WOR I'd go local 24/7 and load up on opinionated and energetic boomers and gen-Xers in my host lineup, people who'd sound like the metro votes, and bring a light, friendly and humorous touch to the action. People who could do for radio what Jon Stewart does for TV would be the gold standard.

Reynolds would stay on the overnights pretty much as-is.

Forget Beck, he wouldn't fit in that format. And forget Savage, he's never really gotten the job done in NYC with money demos and probably never will, plus he's probably as hard a sell in NY as he is in most other markets.

JMO...but the obvious drift away from WABC from noon onward, plus the impending departure of Stern from broadcast, means a lot of people now listening to some form of talk are going to be out there in the coming months looking for a new station to call their listening home. WOR could be that home for a number of 25-54 listeners (probably without losing any of its existing core, which has nowhere else to go) IF it makes a serious run at them with a new lineup 6 AM-midnight. Tens of millions in billing could be at stake.