Glenn Beck Leaving Fox News In 2012?

[DToTheJ]

Hat tip to Tom Donahue via The Drudge Report on this one:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/business/media/07carr.html

Fox News officials are willing to say... that they are looking at the end of his contract in December and contemplating life without Mr. Beck. On the other side, people who work for Mr. Beck point out that he could live without Fox News... How could a breakup between Mr. Beck and Fox News — a bond that seemed made in pre-Apocalyptic heaven — come to pass?

 

[searadiofreak]

Hat tip to Tom Donahue via The Drudge Report on this one:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/business/media/07carr.html

Fox News officials are willing to say... that they are looking at the end of his contract in December and contemplating life without Mr. Beck. On the other side, people who work for Mr. Beck point out that he could live without Fox News... How could a breakup between Mr. Beck and Fox News — a bond that seemed made in pre-Apocalyptic heaven — come to pass?

Beck continues to dominate his timeslot. Not sure this isn't just a negotiating tool. I personally find Beck much more appealing on radio than tv.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

I don't know that most of us can ever comprehend the relationships between.... (I'm searching fr a word here... maybe this one will do) volatile performers and volatile media. I don't intend volatile to be a bad word.

If I have a volatile material or liquid in my shop, to some extent that means it is not fully predictable, or that it reacts more rapidly that other materials I have.

Whether one is a fan or a hater of Beck, he is far from being calm and predictable like a box of baking soda sitting on your workbench. (I use it to clean battery terminals.)

Fox may be predictable to the point we expect them to side with things conservative, I don't know any other attribute that is fixed.

Is this part of a negotiation dance? Do both sides strongly feel they would be better off without each other? There are somethings mankind cannot know in advance!

 

[azumanga]

On the other side, people who work for Mr. Beck point out that he could live without Fox News... How could a breakup between Mr. Beck and Fox News — a bond that seemed made in pre-Apocalyptic heaven — come to pass?

With ratings going down on his Fox News program and his radio show dropped in key markets, chances are that he'll become a has-been by next year.

 

[FightingIrish]

Hat tip to Tom Donahue via The Drudge Report on this one:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/07/business/media/07carr.html

Fox News officials are willing to say... that they are looking at the end of his contract in December and contemplating life without Mr. Beck. On the other side, people who work for Mr. Beck point out that he could live without Fox News... How could a breakup between Mr. Beck and Fox News — a bond that seemed made in pre-Apocalyptic heaven — come to pass?

Beck continues to dominate his timeslot. Not sure this isn't just a negotiating tool. I personally find Beck much more appealing on radio than tv.

They can plug anyone into this time slot and they'll probably get the same numbers. Plus, they'll probably attract more and better advertisers, who won't touch Beck with a ten-foot pole. Beck is probably more trouble than he's worth.

 

[del_griffith]

I don't know that most of us can ever comprehend the relationships between.... (I'm searching fr a word here... maybe this one will do) volatile performers and volatile media. I don't intend volatile to be a bad word.

If I have a volatile material or liquid in my shop, to some extent that means it is not fully predictable, or that it reacts more rapidly that other materials I have.

Whether one is a fan or a hater of Beck, he is far from being calm and predictable like a box of baking soda sitting on your workbench. (I use it to clean battery terminals.)

Fox may be predictable to the point we expect them to side with things conservative, I don't know any other attribute that is fixed.

Is this part of a negotiation dance? Do both sides strongly feel they would be better off without each other? There are somethings mankind cannot know in advance!

Serious question. Why is it if I don't prefer the work of Beck, or Olbermann, or Limbaugh, or Schultz, or Hannity or Maddow I somehow become a hater?

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Serious question. Why is it if I don't prefer the work of Beck, or Olbermann, or Limbaugh, or Schultz, or Hannity or Maddow I somehow become a hater?

I'm not sure why you use MY post as a reflector and then, by inference, ask ME why something would make you a hater. I try to keep my posts somehwere in the midrange, and make my statement objective, but sometimes I get careless and write something a bit too raw, but I don't recall calling anyone a hater, or suggesting that someone is a hater.

That said, when you read my posts you will find that I have an affection for the philosophy of one side and not the other and that comes out, but I try to speak from a neutral position when possible.

All of the people you listed are indeed partisan, some on one side, some on the other. I would like to live in a world where we don't need any of the people you listed to be so "one-sided". I wish all of the people you listed could sit around a table once a week and do a civil conversation that we could all listen to and come out of the room smarter than when we went in. But that apparently isn't practical. Some would say it is not desirable... that tough decisions cannot be made and then implemented by people who are too nicey-nicey. Maybe we can reflect on that question when all the pieces finally hit the floor in Wisconsin and we can go back like historians and pick apart all the issues and all the flaws in the current atmosphere/system.

 

[vchimpanzee]

Cal Thomas wrote a column saying he and Frank Rich are friends. They have a lot in common, even though their political views are very different. Yes, you can be friends with those who hold the opposite view.

 

[DToTheJ]

Great. Give Cal and Frankie the 8 PM timeslot on CNN.

 

[del_griffith]

Serious question. Why is it if I don't prefer the work of Beck, or Olbermann, or Limbaugh, or Schultz, or Hannity or Maddow I somehow become a hater?

I'm not sure why you use MY post as a reflector and then, by inference, ask ME why something would make you a hater. I try to keep my posts somehwere in the midrange, and make my statement objective, but sometimes I get careless and write something a bit too raw, but I don't recall calling anyone a hater, or suggesting that someone is a hater.

That said, when you read my posts you will find that I have an affection for the philosophy of one side and not the other and that comes out, but I try to speak from a neutral position when possible.

All of the people you listed are indeed partisan, some on one side, some on the other. I would like to live in a world where we don't need any of the people you listed to be so "one-sided". I wish all of the people you listed could sit around a table once a week and do a civil conversation that we could all listen to and come out of the room smarter than when we went in. But that apparently isn't practical. Some would say it is not desirable... that tough decisions cannot be made and then implemented by people who are too nicey-nicey. Maybe we can reflect on that question when all the pieces finally hit the floor in Wisconsin and we can go back like historians and pick apart all the issues and all the flaws in the current atmosphere/system.

Typically, even though you're partisan, I often see you as one of the better self moderated people who exchange ideas on this forum. Often trying to find a rational middle ground.

And I totally agree with your once a week around the table concept. Although it probably would degrade into a shout fest instead of a revealing and informative meeting.

Your reply just triggered the question why use the word hate as the antonym of fan. And the trigger was I see that line and rationale used so often to marginalize those who simply may not be a fan or be in agreement with someone.

Why do I have to hate someone if I'm not a fan or are accepting of their position? I don't hate Beck. I'm just not a fan of what Beck does on his show. It doesn't mean I wouldn't sit down and chat with the man or have a cup of coffee with him. I wouldn't try to destroy him or avoid ever coming in contact with him. I might even personally like him but not his positions or his approach.

I see him like Burger King Whoppers. I'm not a fan that Burger King Whoppers are sloppy when you eat them, but it doesn't mean I hate them. Actually, I like the taste.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Your reply just triggered the question why use the word hate as the antonym of fan. And the trigger was I see that line and rationale used so often to marginalize those who simply may not be a fan or be in agreement with someone.

Excellent point! We assume everyone HAS TO BE either a liberal or a conservative, and if you criticize one, you MUST be the other. And that is NOT true.

Is there a reasonable and dependable antonym for "fan"? So if I deeply dislike and have no "fan-ship" of say Glenn Beck, does that make me a critic of Beck? a "luke-cool" listener? Am I then an un-fan?

Your observation comes at a very "sensitized" time in my life. Like he and I could do anything about it if we agreed we wanted to, yesterday I "reached across-the-aisle to a friend to see if together we might try to reach some people who could do something about de-fusing what is happening is Madison, WI. Well, that's over our reach. Could we do something about defusing the reaction at our local level 900 miles away? My inquiry, my offer was rebuffed. As I replayed the short conversation in my head all night long, I confess I used a terminology in my opening remarks that probably doomed the who conversation. "Do you think there are some Republicans who could bring some adult supervision to the mess in Wisconsin?" That was not smart on my part.

And to say the people who are NOT fans of any personality or Ideology are by definition "haters" would be even more abrupt and off-putting than my question about "adult supervision".

And somewhere in the middle of the morning hours I got some sleep when I finally realized that here or in a talk show setting I would have to say: "As nice as it would be to be able to solve almost all our policy struggles with compromise by reasonable opponents, there are some issues that can maybe ONLY be solved by an ideology that takes-no-prisoners, two competing factions who go head-to-head yelling: One of us is going to win, and one of us is going home at the end of the battle with bandages and limping."

So much for all my Kumbyah chit chat: If one somebody has to go home carrying their head in a basket, I would be hard pressed to decide if I would prefer it be Beck or Limbaugh. They are both very deserving candidates.

 

[recto101]

Look at Glenn Beck he looks more unstable than Charlie Sheen, Britney Spears, Howard Stern, Rush combined. Probably we might see Beck act even worse than Sheen at some point. Look at Media critics and Jon Stewart how come Beck was exposed for looking unstable. Even Stewart did the restoring Sanity show had higher attendance than the Beck rally.

 

[UpstateNYBill]

The Hemmoroid with Ears is the Charlie Sheen of Fox News and the conservative moment. He is highly erratic, an embarrassment, has a history of substance abuse, has spewed anti sematicism. The only thing the HWE hasn't had is porn stars flocking by his side, but then even porn stars have standards.

Other conservatives have called him out and repudiated him. His ratings are in decline. If CBS can cut ties with Charlie Sheen, Fox can severe ties with Glenn Beck.

 

[azumanga]

While Fox News has been known to embellish some stories in their own favor (such as using old protest brawl footage from Sacramento for a report from Madison), Glenn Beck's method to the madness has been much more based on his opinions and "prophecies", and hardly anything at all on "news" -- practically, at this point, even "Coast to Coast AM" with Bell and Noury has much more credibility than Glenn Beck.

"Caliphate"? Give me a flippin' break.

 

[del_griffith]

Goat Rodeo:

I don't often listen to Christian radio, but this morning I was scanning the dial and heard James McDonald. He was talking about a pastoral summit that will be happening at the end of the month. 7 pastors who take entirely different approaches and who often have different interpretations of scripture will be having for lack of a better term summit on their similarities and their differences. http://www.theelephantroom.com/

Now these guys are closer in theology than say Pentecostals and Methodists, but there are some serious chasms.

It's too bad we can't get the same out of the Limbaugh, Maddow, Olbermann, Schultz, Beck and Hannity et al crew too.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Thank you for the Heads-Up on James McDonald and "Elephant Room". I have some research to do! None of these guys were on my radar screen.

I just read the bios and background on McDonald and Driscoll. I will go through the rest of the list later today.

 

[recto101]

Look at Glenn Beck he looks more unstable than Charlie Sheen, Britney Spears, Howard Stern, Rush combined. Probably we might see Beck act even worse than Sheen at some point. Look at Media critics and Jon Stewart how come Beck was exposed for looking unstable. Even Stewart did the restoring Sanity show had higher attendance than the Beck rally.

Look at John Stossel He was shocked when Beck came on the Stossel show and Suggested that we need to privatize the army. Stossel disclosed to his audience that he disagreed with some on Becks ideas.

 

[KERCAlum]

Here's the thing about all these guys - and not just on Fox, but CNN and MSNBC as well.

It's all opinions.

Someone else's regurgitated beliefs (which may or may not be based in reality) that the programming and marketing gurus at these networks try to get people to absorb as "news."

It ain't news. It's many times not even facts.

I (at the risk of getting flamed) consider myself a political and social conservative. However, I do not listen to or watch any opinion shows on any broadcast or cable network or radio station. I believe opinion shows like these do more to degrade the dialogue in this nation, as well as muddy the waters in terms of facts, than any two people with legitimate disagreements.

Give me facts, and let me make up my own mind. I don't want a Limbaugh, a Beck, a Maddow, or a Schultz doing it for me.

That said, and to bring the thread back on topic, I think it's (1) a negotiating ploy on Beck's part, and (2) a marketing ploy on Fox's part. Beck's fans will be tuning in breathlessly to discover what his next move will be, mainly to be able to follow him if he leaves, but also to see where this soap opera leads.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

It's all opinions.

Someone else's regurgitated beliefs (which may or may not be based in reality) that the programming and marketing gurus at these networks try to get people to absorb as "news."

It ain't news. It's many times not even facts.

I share your frustration. But where do you turn for facts if you rule out all media or programs that contain opinion?

Our newspapers are a ghost of what they once were. Time, Newsweek, US News and World Report today use up about the same amount of paper as my church bulletin on Sunday. And news on the radio! Building your current-events life around radio news today is like building your diet on the mints you can sneak in the front door of a restaurant and steal.

For several reasons, I am consumed by the battle going on in Wisconsin. I can switch back and forth between MSNBC and Fox News cable channels between 8:00 P.M. and 11: P.M. and get a highly butchered version of the news. Both channels add a lot of distasteful seasoning and some trashy garnish. But at the end of the night I do have the news. All other media give you maybe 20 seconds of news from the PREVIOUS DAY.

I would argue with you that the opinion channels (and opinion print media and Internet media) give you the news but you have to be willing to get your hands dirty and wear an apron as you gut the beast to separate the opinion from the news.

I would like to wean myself of my obsession. Tell me where you turn to get your actual news, real news, purified news.

I too will make an effort to return to the original thread. Beck provides NO news. It's all TRIPE. My opinion of Fox News will rise a bit if they do part company with him. Beck reminds me of the old Southern humor about how to cook carp. You gut the carp, nail it to a piece of 2 x 8 pine or cedar and roast it over hot coals. After about 32 minutes you remove the carp, throw it away, and eat the board.

 

[recto101]

Here's the thing about all these guys - and not just on Fox, but CNN and MSNBC as well.

It's all opinions.

Someone else's regurgitated beliefs (which may or may not be based in reality) that the programming and marketing gurus at these networks try to get people to absorb as "news."

It ain't news. It's many times not even facts.

I (at the risk of getting flamed) consider myself a political and social conservative. However, I do not listen to or watch any opinion shows on any broadcast or cable network or radio station. I believe opinion shows like these do more to degrade the dialogue in this nation, as well as muddy the waters in terms of facts, than any two people with legitimate disagreements.

Give me facts, and let me make up my own mind. I don't want a Limbaugh, a Beck, a Maddow, or a Schultz doing it for me.

That said, and to bring the thread back on topic, I think it's (1) a negotiating ploy on Beck's part, and (2) a marketing ploy on Fox's part. Beck's fans will be tuning in breathlessly to discover what his next move will be, mainly to be able to follow him if he leaves, but also to see where this soap opera leads.

No wonder America has the lowest media literacy rate in the world. and its because of the 3 propaganda networks you mentioned here. and also People have to get a clear picture from PBS Newshour and the Daily show to see what is really gong on here. and I think Beck will act like Charlie Sheen at some point but 2000 times worse.