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GOOD OR BAD THING FOR VIBE/VEGAS???

http://www.allaccess.com/net-news/a...egas-stations-to-use-jelli-as-a-24-hour-socia

JELLI will launch the world’s first terrestrial radio stations completely powered by the social web in JUNE. LAS VEGAS will be the first market to launch JELLI as a 24-hour radio format.

LKCM RADIO GROUP KHIJ and AURORA MEDIA KVBE listeners will be able to choose in real time every song that plays on the air via JELLI's website or JELLI's free iPHONE app. One station will generally play Pop music, and the other Rock music, but both will be branded "JELLI."

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So with the statement that one station will "generally" play Pop music, I assume that would be KVBE, and does that mean dance goes away? Or does it mean that listeners will get to pick the songs FROM a DANCE library??

Also, stations being branded "Jelli", So are they going to become "94-5 The Jelli Vibe"? LOL
 
I've used Jelli on 94.5 PST in NJ, and I requested a recurrent about a year old, it got played within 30 minutes.

What's with The Vibe changing its presentation every few months? There's new imaging all the time, and now it sounds like Pulse 87. Speaking of which, whatever happened to Joel Salkowitz's Pulse syndication network?

Vegas doesn't need a third CHR on a weak signal. 98.5 KLUC and 104-3 Now both blanket the market.
 
Nick said:
I've used Jelli on 94.5 PST in NJ, and I requested a recurrent about a year old, it got played within 30 minutes.

What's with The Vibe changing its presentation every few months? There's new imaging all the time, and now it sounds like Pulse 87. Speaking of which, whatever happened to Joel Salkowitz's Pulse syndication network?

Vegas doesn't need a third CHR on a weak signal. 98.5 KLUC and 104-3 Now both blanket the market.

Actually the two CHR/Pop stations in Vegas are 104.3 Now, and 93.1 The Party (which completed its evolution from Rhythmic AC to CHR/Pop recently). The two big Rhythmics in town are heritage 98.5 KLUC, and Hot 97.5.
 
So that's 4 competitors with better signals than 94.5.

I wonder if that's why 94.5 switched its imaging to that British lady that was on Pulse. That same British lady does the imaging for Jelli on 94.5 PST in NJ.

Oh well, looks like both gambling destinations will be losing their dance stations soon.
 
Nick said:
Oh well, looks like both gambling destinations will be losing their dance stations soon.

IIRC if this happened it would mark the first time in __ years that there has been not a single commercial station in the US with the Dance format if you don't count Party FM WPTY.
 
Nick said:
I wonder if that's why 94.5 switched its imaging to that British lady that was on Pulse. That same British lady does the imaging for Jelli on 94.5 PST in NJ.

Emma Clarke.  She also did drops for DJ Unique on the former Hit 106. Regarding The Vibe, I noticed via FMQB's radio programmer section that Joel is programming The Vibe as well.

http://fmqbproductions.com/dance
 
Saladressing said:
Nick said:
Oh well, looks like both gambling destinations will be losing their dance stations soon.

IIRC if this happened it would mark the first time in __ years that there has been not a single commercial station in the US with the Dance format if you don't count Party FM WPTY.

AHAH! SO:
This brings everything right back to THIS:

KDM 7000 said:
DavidEduardo said:
I'm wondering if the greater presence of dance or pseudodance on CHRs increases interest in more dance... or satisfies the need and reduces any interest in a more-dance type format.

I do have to admit that this question has been tattooed in my brain.
I thought about this once before, but didn't think much of that thought and just let it slip through and out of my mind. But, after now seeing it in writing, this question, for some reason, "strikes me differently" now. I don't think people are seeing the deepness of this question when it comes to formatting because most of us are truly looking at it through a biased lens of wishful thinking, whether it be a wish for more dance or less dance, and then basing our reasoning for why it should be a certain way, based on our own desires.

Ok, let me explain.. Now, wouldn't you think that in a time where dance and electro sounds are increasing, this would result in there being not only MORE dance stations, but the ones that already exist also becoming MORE successful? Wouldn't you think so?

OR, is the whole modern dance trend and uptempo situation counter intuitive to our concrete beliefs?

Is everything that we, or the majority of the dance fanatics are thinking, wrong? Is there some other "dance music dimensional ideas" that we are failing to see here in our one dimensional dance music frame of thought? Let me try to clarify this a bit more; We tend to see things at a basic level then accept it as is (One dimensional / Basic level thinking: "If bla bla bla, then bla bla bla". So, in regard to dance, this translates to "IF electro and dance sounds are becoming more popular, THEN dance music and dance stations should be more successful" BAM! That's it, THE END).

That's what I'd consider "One Dimensional" style thinking. But, there are many other factors that come to play once you step OUTSIDE that dimension, which creates a whole new set of dimensions and possible situations and outcomes that could occur:

"IF electro and dance sounds are becoming popular, THEN dance music and dance stations should be more successful". YES. HOWEVER, you must also consider this: "IF former pop and hip hop artists 'go dance' causing dance to become popular, and chr top 40 and rhythmic radio fully take on and embrace the new dance from former pop artists trend, THEN this could cause older pure dance format styles to fail and lose when compared to and put out to compete with the new chr psuedodance formula".

Do you see where the counter intuitive comes to play here? One situation doesn't cause the reaction and outcome you expected due to an interference from a "third party", creating "another dimension of circumstances" to occur.

So, with that being said, the question is: Should we even continue focusing on trying to successfully create / recreate the old, traditional dance format formula, OR shall we start abandoning those old ideas and start focusing on NEW, innovative formatic ways to get the sound out to the masses through radio? Has CHR top 40 accidentally and unknowingly discovered a temporary technique that most dance programmers haven't figured out? Could we "steal that idea", tweak it a little, then create a whole new idea/formula based off of that accidentally discovered short term formula that could create long term success for the dance community? Could we learn a few things from the way the current dance sounding rhythmics and top 40's are structuring their formats, mixshows, and playlists? Could we learn a few things from rap and hip hop when it comes to long term success? Should we change the way we think and try new things, or remain hard headed with old learned ideas and rituals that used to somewhat work in the past?

Just something to think about.

There are many "dimensional planes" out there. Why stick to just one and remain baffled with it?

"THE QUESTION"
DavidEduardo said:
I'm wondering if the greater presence of dance or pseudodance on CHRs increases interest in more dance... or satisfies the need and reduces any interest in a more-dance type format.

"FINAL STATEMENT:"
That's a hyper-dimensional question. One outcome is a one dimensional mind frame expectation. The other is COUNTER INTUITIVE. But, what would you say if I told you that I believe that BOTH outcomes could coexist? Reread the question, then reread my final statement.
 
The fact of the matter is that the people who took over the Vibe in July 2010 destroyed a very well put together radio station, and from what I've heard, the owners could care less. They didn't bother to pay the bills with Mitch Craig, whom they were in a contract with, so they were forced to take all his liners off the air. They had Mitch Craig from the time the station started, and after that, they completely reimaged the station 4 times in 2 years, why was that necessary? Plus Tic Tak destroyed Vibe's music library and turned it into all hip hop & dance remixes of hip hop for several months, Mike O improved it a bit, but they got rid of a truly unique and successful sound. The Vibe actually died July 2010, now they've just been beating to death an already dead horse...
 
That's another thing, people coming out of the woodworks saying that "Oh it's better after Tic Tak took over" and they say nothing more. It just causes one to wonder if all these people are just Tic Tak's cronies. It happens every time I talk about this subject, EVERY TIME!

I suggested to Mike O to rebrand KVBE as a different name, because the sound that has been on the Vibe for the last year isn't the same Vibe that we came to know and love. He wouldn't do it, instead they persist under a respected name with a format that isn't really what the Vibe was designed to be.

***EDIT*** - I take that back, it looks like Nick has already contributed substantially to this discussion, sorry about that...
 
Wait a sec... Nick, are you the guy I've been talking to on Facebook? My real name is Ken Santarelli... If that's the case, I know you already.
 
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