-
Get involved.
We want your input!
Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.
After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.
After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/
Thanks in advance and have fun!
RadioDiscussions Administrators
GOOD TIMES Magazine on CBS FM Flip
- Thread starter lalumia
- Start date
A
Australian Whine
Guest
lalumia said:
That's what scares me.
W
warm590
Guest
On another post I suggested we wait and see before commenting and sure enough david gave us more of his better-than-thou wisdom...waiting for oldies cat to give us his $.02...BTW david I'll LMAO if the first CBS-FM song is a Sinatra song......
testing....consultants...short playlist...repitition........we'll see.... ???
Fire away
warm590 ;D
testing....consultants...short playlist...repitition........we'll see.... ???
Fire away
warm590 ;D
A
adma
Guest
Okay, back on topic re what started this thread.DavidEduardo said:
I agree that Lalumia can be little unrealistically overwrought in his "bring back the Marvellettes" hopes, and his means of stating them. He's no match for your cold, rational realism. But knowing him (not personally, just "knowing him") from other contexts, I feel he reflects an underrated yet valuable element relative to the universal appeal of classic oldies: a queer aesthetic.
Even he'd admit as much. Though it does make him stick out like a rather flamboyantly sore thumb in these radio-board contexts.
But whether I share his orientation or not (hey, you don't have to be gay to be gay-positive), I find it a breath of fresh air. A reminder that when push came to shove, when it came to WCBS-FM in its prime, the phags and the phogeys were dancing together. It wasn't all reactive Archie Bunker stuff, not at all. It could be magical, in the way Pride events are--especially in 2007, when even straight white suburbanites can join in the gaiety and feel fine.
Like it or lump it, if a revived-oldies WCBS wants to be true to the best pre-Jack spirit, and to the spirit of WABC, WMCA, Z100 etc in terms that make sense re NYC in '07...well, it's gotta be a little bit queer.
Really.
OMG.....lol....another migration from The Velvet Rope, an overall industry board that we wax rhapsodic on quite frequently....
but,um, I think KTU is proud to be the rainbow flag station,with all the 70s disco(although they seem to have discarded the mind numbing, audience chasing 'house' music of the moment)
but,um, I think KTU is proud to be the rainbow flag station,with all the 70s disco(although they seem to have discarded the mind numbing, audience chasing 'house' music of the moment)
A
adma
Guest
I know that, but it isn't the "one and only"--the rainbow's wherever you can find it (as you do, in the realm of the oldies). And in a creative class metropolis like NYC, the rainbow is an essential cornerstone...lalumia said:
I
Indielover
Guest
As a gay man I too have fond memories of oldies radio, especially K-Earth 101 in the 80's and 90's....I remember listening to CBS/FM in its early days in the 70's..in later years I always found it to be a little soft for my taste. These days its indie 103/1 online....plenty of oldies (especially on Jonsey's jukebox) plenty of personality, and plenty queer lol.
A
adma
Guest
At a time when the "Hairspray" musical movie's coming out, it's certainly worth reflecting on the inherent queer-compatibility of the early 60s girl-group etc era. That's why beige-ing up the oldies in the name of crude age-demo-chasing seems false, somehow...
there was certainly nothing fABULOUS about Jack, neither to straight or gay listeners; it was bland and beyond generic, as was CBS FM in it's last few years..
if it can recapture it's mojo,everything else will fall into place,and at that point, the only ones who should be in the closet are the consultants(LOCKED IN!!!)
if it can recapture it's mojo,everything else will fall into place,and at that point, the only ones who should be in the closet are the consultants(LOCKED IN!!!)
D
Don62
Guest
Then why not give them a station ( 70s/80s) and program another one with mostly 60s but a good chunk of 50s as well?KevinFodor said:
What, 500 channels and no room on the dial? Okay, an exageration but with ownership limits so high, one would think a hemmoraging industry would work to find some way to program to its most loyal listener base.
Don62 said:
1. The industry is not hemmoraging, it is growing.
2. There is no way to make money on the demos a 50-s station would attract.
Here's the advance copy from the new Rhythm Tracking/Jimi LaLumia column in Good Times which will run next week,concerning CBS-FM; feel free to discuss;
DJs/Club Scene;
The club scene on Long Island has been in a dramatic state of flux this year,with no particular direction.Rock clubs lean more and more on Open Mic Nights and "tribute/cover" bands,as all the original material now seems to show up on MySpace and Youtube, no need to leave home circumstances. The new generation seem to be more home bound thanks to the internet, home entertainment systems,and the lack of a real scene.
Long Island needs it's own CBGB or Max's Kansas City, with a cast of regulars that become identified with the scene, but if such a thing is possible anymore, all comes down to the club owners and the club goers.I don't even know if it's possible for that sort of mindset to exist anymore, but I do recall the days when The Good Rats, Twisted Sister, Zebra,and so many others clearly identified Long Island as an entity of it's own,with Good Times Magazine the 'bible', then and now.
In the gay nightlife, the state of flux has been downward, as the few remaining dance clubs insisted on sticking to 'boom boom boom' house music until way past it's 'sell by' date', and now it's down to The Bunkhouse in Sayville, where I have been re instated as resident dj, and, as before, I'll be serving up 70s, 80s and 90s dance classics, current hits, and yes, rock tracks old and new.
The Roxy in Manhattan closed for a reason; Posh Ultra Lounge is now closed as well; many didn't
seem to get the memo, but house music as the main attraction is done, the 'circuit' scene is
burnt-to a crisp.
The inability or unwillingness to reflect 'the street' and changing times has been the downfall of many a night club, and those that remain need to learn from others' mistakes and steer themselves in the right direction;having a DJ that actually listens to the audience and works to keep them happy, and coming back for more, is a major part of the equation.
Rolling Stone online referred to me as the "post-glam Andy Rooney"; I suppose that's what I sound like at times, but having been around for quite a while,I think I have a few lessons to pass along,hoping that the new breed will do the right thing, and keep the party going.
RADIO RATINGS
It seems as though the 'boomers' still have a handle on things, nowhere more evident than the dumping of JACK FM, and the return of "oldies" WCBS-FM to the NY radio dial.There was so much attention paid to this event, you would think that it was a teen driven phenomena, but it was in fact, a boomer event.The continuous disdain and virtual boycott of CBS FM in it's JACK guise had it pegged as a loser from Day One, and now, the return has become the radio event of the year.
Of course, it's not really 'oldies' radio, the doo wop 50s is scarce, at best,and the same is true of early 60s, but a healthy dose of mid 60s to mid 80s hit singles with real, breathing and entertaining on air personalities has provided the Midas Touch to the long suffering 101.1 position on the FM dial.We are all enjoying it tremendously,and expect to see it at #1 in the next NY radio ratings.
HAIRSPRAY
On top of the CBS FM news, comes the 60s celebration known as "Hairspray", which enjoyed the biggest opening boxoffice weekend for a musical film in history.John Travolta fills the shoes of our dear departed Divine(be sure to check out the original 80's version of this on DVD,with Divine,Riki Lake, Debbie Harry, Sonny Bono,Ruth Brown,what a line up...)and the entire cast is top notch.Kudos to John Waters, who managed to travel from the notorious, banned in Boston "Pink Flamingos",to the heights of Hollywood success. Only in America, kiddies....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DJs/Club Scene;
The club scene on Long Island has been in a dramatic state of flux this year,with no particular direction.Rock clubs lean more and more on Open Mic Nights and "tribute/cover" bands,as all the original material now seems to show up on MySpace and Youtube, no need to leave home circumstances. The new generation seem to be more home bound thanks to the internet, home entertainment systems,and the lack of a real scene.
Long Island needs it's own CBGB or Max's Kansas City, with a cast of regulars that become identified with the scene, but if such a thing is possible anymore, all comes down to the club owners and the club goers.I don't even know if it's possible for that sort of mindset to exist anymore, but I do recall the days when The Good Rats, Twisted Sister, Zebra,and so many others clearly identified Long Island as an entity of it's own,with Good Times Magazine the 'bible', then and now.
In the gay nightlife, the state of flux has been downward, as the few remaining dance clubs insisted on sticking to 'boom boom boom' house music until way past it's 'sell by' date', and now it's down to The Bunkhouse in Sayville, where I have been re instated as resident dj, and, as before, I'll be serving up 70s, 80s and 90s dance classics, current hits, and yes, rock tracks old and new.
The Roxy in Manhattan closed for a reason; Posh Ultra Lounge is now closed as well; many didn't
seem to get the memo, but house music as the main attraction is done, the 'circuit' scene is
burnt-to a crisp.
The inability or unwillingness to reflect 'the street' and changing times has been the downfall of many a night club, and those that remain need to learn from others' mistakes and steer themselves in the right direction;having a DJ that actually listens to the audience and works to keep them happy, and coming back for more, is a major part of the equation.
Rolling Stone online referred to me as the "post-glam Andy Rooney"; I suppose that's what I sound like at times, but having been around for quite a while,I think I have a few lessons to pass along,hoping that the new breed will do the right thing, and keep the party going.
RADIO RATINGS
It seems as though the 'boomers' still have a handle on things, nowhere more evident than the dumping of JACK FM, and the return of "oldies" WCBS-FM to the NY radio dial.There was so much attention paid to this event, you would think that it was a teen driven phenomena, but it was in fact, a boomer event.The continuous disdain and virtual boycott of CBS FM in it's JACK guise had it pegged as a loser from Day One, and now, the return has become the radio event of the year.
Of course, it's not really 'oldies' radio, the doo wop 50s is scarce, at best,and the same is true of early 60s, but a healthy dose of mid 60s to mid 80s hit singles with real, breathing and entertaining on air personalities has provided the Midas Touch to the long suffering 101.1 position on the FM dial.We are all enjoying it tremendously,and expect to see it at #1 in the next NY radio ratings.
HAIRSPRAY
On top of the CBS FM news, comes the 60s celebration known as "Hairspray", which enjoyed the biggest opening boxoffice weekend for a musical film in history.John Travolta fills the shoes of our dear departed Divine(be sure to check out the original 80's version of this on DVD,with Divine,Riki Lake, Debbie Harry, Sonny Bono,Ruth Brown,what a line up...)and the entire cast is top notch.Kudos to John Waters, who managed to travel from the notorious, banned in Boston "Pink Flamingos",to the heights of Hollywood success. Only in America, kiddies....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
G
Grindlfan
Guest
Lalumia, I just got around to reading your Good Times article and you are so right on, especially regarding those idiotic testing/surveys. I participated in one of those in Seattle and it was a total joke. Nobody took it seriously and most were out of work n'eer-do-wells and drunks who only wanted the $75 and free food. The young man next to me wreaked of his all night binge
I think these consultants and survery groups should be done away with no matter what some people on these threads think. You aren't getting an accurate reading of what listeners really want to hear on the radio.
I think these consultants and survery groups should be done away with no matter what some people on these threads think. You aren't getting an accurate reading of what listeners really want to hear on the radio.
I mean, really, this is an entertainment choice, a casual thing for the public, not the regents exam, for goodness sake,,,
I just don't believe that anything people say in these tests has any bearing on their actual wants or habits...
it's a self perpetuating cash flow for those who have a vested financial interest in keeping this party going while the radio and record business falls further and further into disrepair...
I just don't believe that anything people say in these tests has any bearing on their actual wants or habits...
it's a self perpetuating cash flow for those who have a vested financial interest in keeping this party going while the radio and record business falls further and further into disrepair...
A
atwater kent
Guest
lalumia said:
So, you're saying that the hundreds of programmers and radio managers that use music testing are so ignorant of the enlightened perspective and knowledge that you have, that they continue to blunder on in this fraud? If you ran a radio station how would you go about determining what the listeners wanted to hear? Would you play what you guessed they wanted to hear? Or is it just obvious, based on your intrinsic feel for the "actual wants or habits" of your audience? If your gut is that good, you should quit writing for the dying medium of print and get yourself a 6 figure job with a media in disrepair.
it's actually not my gut, it my ear(s), something people once had, resulting in amazingly popular radio stations before corporate interests took complete unbending control;
and as for my participation, obviously to enter the machine, one has to become part of the machine; I'll pass./..
I've been many things in my life, but a "Yes Man" is not one of them, there's no amount of money in the word that would ever change that circumstance, I can assure you...
and as for my participation, obviously to enter the machine, one has to become part of the machine; I'll pass./..
I've been many things in my life, but a "Yes Man" is not one of them, there's no amount of money in the word that would ever change that circumstance, I can assure you...
A
atwater kent
Guest
lalumia said:
Ok, I'll bite...what amazingly popular radio station in the past 20 years can you prove did not do music research?
I said "before corporate interests took complete control";
which came to fruition in the mid 80s(totally corporate run radio), and the result is that there hasn't been an amazing radio station in the past 20 years, the last that I recall was the early days version of Z100,which WAS run by Shannon's ears at the beginning, as a writer for The Island Ear and NY Nightlife Magazine, I was the first to greet, write about, and spend some time at the original Z, before it went from 'worst to first', and it was a thing of beauty to behold; having Michael Ellis and a young Frankie Blue around didn't hurt, either....
which came to fruition in the mid 80s(totally corporate run radio), and the result is that there hasn't been an amazing radio station in the past 20 years, the last that I recall was the early days version of Z100,which WAS run by Shannon's ears at the beginning, as a writer for The Island Ear and NY Nightlife Magazine, I was the first to greet, write about, and spend some time at the original Z, before it went from 'worst to first', and it was a thing of beauty to behold; having Michael Ellis and a young Frankie Blue around didn't hurt, either....
A
atwater kent
Guest
lalumia said:
I'm sure it was a lot of fun to watch from the sidelines. But, if you didn't work there, you don't actually know if Scott used music research at Z100. It's not something they would have talked about. It wouldn't fit the bad boy image Shannon has crafted over the years. Just as good programmers today use research and their "ears," major market stations in many formats were using music research extensively by the mid-80's. I'll bet Malrite & Z100 used the evil music research, too.
their reseach was the same as wABC AM, in the days before Soundscan; they actually paid attention to singles and albums sales from reporting stores(I was one of them, being in retail at the time as well)
the research guys would have NEVER cleared many of the records that Z broke in the NY area back then, based on club play and actual sales, genuine heat from the street, not some lecture hall...
the research guys would have NEVER cleared many of the records that Z broke in the NY area back then, based on club play and actual sales, genuine heat from the street, not some lecture hall...
- Status