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Gregg75 is right!

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Morpheux

After some time away from the boards and hearing just local radio it dawn on me that Gregg is correct. How much more Hip Hop do we have to endure just so we can hear a dance beat on radio? ::)

Now, I like Hip House from the late 80's and early 90's and it's definitely in the dance family tree. However, when I'm hearing someone like Eminem capitalize from the dance trend,that's just disgusting.He's not a dance artist and he famously rapped "hell no;no one listens to techno".

So screw these Hip Hop artists trying to ride the gravy train. Give me some real dance!
 
First, I don't think Eminem truly meant what he said about "techno", as much as he was meaning to simply "throw a stab at" Moby, and he also just needed an appropriate phrase for his verbal attack that would fit Moby's description and also rhyme with the rest of his lyrics. That just happened to conveniently be a slick "nobody listens to techno" comment, that everyone knew was obviously false. I wouldn't take him seriously.

Second, I will be commenting on a bunch of stuff here to drown out one of my posts that I no longer want to be on the front page here, so let me get all my thoughts and opinions organized..
 
Additionally, I think Eminem is one of the few who don't necessarily need dance to remain successful. He's like the male version of Mariah Carey in some ways - refuses to go any faster (which even Usher has done with his music). Ok, well I will give some credit to him using uptempo beats with D12 "my band", his track "just lose it", and his other track "without me", which was somewhat like a slowed down techno track (which is another reason why I believe he threw in the "no one listens to techno", because he knew it would only be ironic to say that in what was his most techno sounding track at the time. Not only that, but look at all the remixes of "nobody listens to techno" were released and actually HELPED dance through the form of club and mixshow play..).

I also most give Mariah Carey more credit as well. I said "she refuses to go any faster" with her music. Well, that's not 100% true. She did do it ONCE --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MrrUiSsNi4
 
U guys are both trippin. Emimem doesn't do dance. Gregg75 is just a snob. Mariah doesn't refuse to do fast songs. Her hit Emotion was produced by C&C Music Factory....duh, and David Morales has done countless of her remixes.

Artists don't think like DJs when it comes to tempo...thats absurd. They both have uptempo songs. It has nothing to do with being open minded to dance.
 
Well my work here is done. ;)

My goal was mainly to drown out a certain thread that I didn't want from the first page of the dance section, which I've successfully done.
 
I've pretty much given up on trying to hear Pure Dance on terrestrial commercial HD1 radio in the States, save Vibe/Vegas and the new Mega/Austin. I've come to the conclusion that the country is simply not cosmopolitan enough to handle the music on a mass level. I hope I'm wrong but all evidence points to this hypothesis being right. I'll just hook my iphone to the fm transmitter in my vehicle and bang out some Shoutdrive or flip it to BPM on Howard Stern Satellite Radio I mean Sirius :)
 
Agree.The masses in the U.S. only care to hear songs about drugs,cheating,being promiscuous,partying it up in the club,looking glamorous...yada yada.
 
I'll have to amend my post to delete Mega/Austin. Seriously? The station signs on to FM HD1 then signs off a few days later? As I said, I've pretty much given up. Supporting the Dance Hits format in the US is like being a roadie for the roller derby in the 1970s (I don't even know that that even means other than to say that, you loved it, but you knew in your heart that it was going positively NOWHERE).
 
I'd say dance is doing better than jazz! I hear no jazz co-existing with dance on chr stations. I also don't see any pop, rnb, or hip hop artists jumping on the jazz sound.
 
Saladressing said:
I'll have to amend my post to delete Mega/Austin. Seriously? The station signs on to FM HD1 then signs off a few days later? As I said, I've pretty much given up. Supporting the Dance Hits format in the US is like being a roadie for the roller derby in the 1970s (I don't even know that that even means other than to say that, you loved it, but you knew in your heart that it was going positively NOWHERE).
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I'm going to strongly disagree with that comment NOR will I allow you to just "give up" like that.

I just finished playing Kim Sozzi's "Rated R" on my show and yes, there is a rap part in there. Love it or hate it (I'm also saying this to Morpheux since he started this thread) if the rappers out there are going to embrace dance, we have to allow that in...so as long as they accept OUR sound and not get all "gangsta" and throw it to a sound like a Hot 97, Power 106, etc.

If we change OURSELVES from within then I really think we CAN go somewhere (that's where I came up with the "elitist" post). It's going to take small steps but things are positive right now. If anything I haven't SEEN it this positive in quite awhile. You ALSO have to realize that there are less of us core fans than there are those 20-something girls who goes out with her BFF's to a club, drink shots of Patron and Grey Goose, take pictures to post on FB and dance to a Rihanna track. And if that is how they will start out learning about dance music, then that's good. Hopefully along the way they can advance to knowing the pure aspect of our music. THAT is where things can expand, so as long as we put out something to at least provoke a demand :)

Don't give up Saladressing! :)
 
Tony Santiago said:
Saladressing said:
I'll have to amend my post to delete Mega/Austin. Seriously? The station signs on to FM HD1 then signs off a few days later? As I said, I've pretty much given up. Supporting the Dance Hits format in the US is like being a roadie for the roller derby in the 1970s (I don't even know that that even means other than to say that, you loved it, but you knew in your heart that it was going positively NOWHERE).
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I'm going to strongly disagree with that comment NOR will I allow you to just "give up" like that.

I just finished playing Kim Sozzi's "Rated R" on my show and yes, there is a rap part in there. Love it or hate it (I'm also saying this to Morpheux since he started this thread) if the rappers out there are going to embrace dance, we have to allow that in...so as long as they accept OUR sound and not get all "gangsta" and throw it to a sound like a Hot 97, Power 106, etc.

If we change OURSELVES from within then I really think we CAN go somewhere (that's where I came up with the "elitist" post). It's going to take small steps but things are positive right now. If anything I haven't SEEN it this positive in quite awhile. You ALSO have to realize that there are less of us core fans than there are those 20-something girls who goes out with her BFF's to a club, drink shots of Patron and Grey Goose, take pictures to post on FB and dance to a Rihanna track. And if that is how they will start out learning about dance music, then that's good. Hopefully along the way they can advance to knowing the pure aspect of our music. THAT is where things can expand, so as long as we put out something to at least provoke a demand :)

Don't give up Saladressing! :)
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I do not understand how in this day and age (especially with youtube) people can NOT know more about dance music. In any case (for those on the fence), if there is ANY positive to this new "dance age" on radio, it is that people are being exposed to the idea of a DJ producing a song or collaborating with another artist who is doing vocals (I just do not want all of those vocalists to be the same recognized 5-10 people over and over and over again in the CHR world). That is not their fault, but the fact remains that these artists are already marketable.

One of the roadblocks (I believe) that has kept people from embracing dance music in the past is being able to understand who the producer is, the vocalist, the remixer, etc...If dance (in this country) did a better job at marketing itself so that people could understand all of the "participants" involved in a song or track, I believe there would be a better chance for success. In addition, it's about time producers and DJ's start getting more recognition for their work. I would like to see them more marketable and then I believe a stronger culture would follow. Perhaps this is a stepping stone to that.
 
Good points Tony, I haven't given up and was at a moment of weakness when realizing the limited amount of Pure Dance that is in the mass consciousness of the US versus European countries and even parts of Canada. Correct, dance pop can serve as a bridge or a "gateway." In some ways it feels like we are on the brink of the tipping point but it hasn't tipped over yet which was where my frustration came into play, for fear that the masses will not ever "get" this music.

If the Dance Hits format as we know it today was accepted into the mass culture as it is in other areas of the world I, as many others here, would rejoice - because it is largely, after all, good music in our opinions. However there is something valuable about this music staying underground in this country because by in large it doesn't get bastardized as alternative rock did after the grunge explosion of Alice In Chains/Nirvana/Soundgarden. After these bands reached mainstream acclaim, it wasn't long before every Creed, Candlebox, Collective Soul and Smashmouth were canvassing the country's airwaves with copycat music (and horrible music in the opinions of many).
 
Saladdressing - I want to make sure to clear up what you were saying about Mega/Austin (I'll have to amend my post to delete Mega/Austin. Seriously? The station signs on to FM HD1 then signs off a few days later? )

We were given an opportunity to showcase what we were doing online and on HD Radio with the 102.7 frequency while equipment was put into place to re-broadcast the station which was always intended to be on that translator - KGSR Austin. We were not even on there 2 weeks, and it caused quite a stir and helped us raise awareness about Mega to levels we never expected!

I just wanted to clear-up that it was no failure - if anything it was quite an eye opener! Even the CHR in the market started to react by playing 'Yolanda Be Cool' and 'Darude' tracks over the weekend.
 
Tony Santiago said:
You ALSO have to realize that there are less of us core fans than there are those 20-something girls who goes out with her BFF's to a club, drink shots of Patron and Grey Goose, take pictures to post on FB and dance to a Rihanna track.
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Tony,

This isn't the first time you posted the above statement. Is there something you would like to share with the Dance board?
 
JayR said:
Tony Santiago said:
You ALSO have to realize that there are less of us core fans than there are those 20-something girls who goes out with her BFF's to a club, drink shots of Patron and Grey Goose, take pictures to post on FB and dance to a Rihanna track.
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Tony,

This isn't the first time you posted the above statement. Is there something you would like to share with the Dance board?
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Just observances when I frequent the clubs......don't twist it to something else :) lol. I just use that analogy to make a point. And no, let's not "go there" either! ;D
 
2Son said:
One of the roadblocks (I believe) that has kept people from embracing dance music in the past is being able to understand who the producer is, the vocalist, the remixer, etc...If dance (in this country) did a better job at marketing itself so that people could understand all of the "participants" involved in a song or track, I believe there would be a better chance for success. In addition, it's about time producers and DJ's start getting more recognition for their work. I would like to see them more marketable and then I believe a stronger culture would follow. Perhaps this is a stepping stone to that.
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I had to use THIS part of your quote because this is SO right!

With rock it's purely the artist. With R&B/hip-hop, it is artist based and MAYBE with a DJ in the background doing something but still it is that one song (with an extended version at best).

I do suppose for those that are new to the scene or don't understand, it could be "complicated" to hear 7 interpretations of a track (one as a radio edit, 6 remixed by different remixers/producers) trying to understand which one to go with because each style of remix is different than the other, and the radio version is just too short, lol. For that matter, let's throw in the "bootleg" and mashups too! I think I've heard 20 different interpretations of "One", I'm surprised no one came out with a version and call it "One Hundred!" ;D That in itself can be even more nuts. And I suppose that's the trick to marketing.....what do you go with?

To the recognition issue....over in Europe, the DJ's are just as a big deal as the artists. From what I understand, big DJ names out there sell out and get huge crowds like rock concerts here! Just the fact that David Guetta is being recognized is a first step. In a small way, the guys of Swedish House Mafia are getting known. I'd like to see more of that for guys such as Afrojack, Laidback Luke, Avicii...just to name a few. And yes, marketing matters in that sense. It could be the beginnings of that....and as long as events such as Electric Zoo, Electric Daisy and Ultra can garner large crowds, maybe things can get stronger along the way :)
 
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