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Growing scandal at Air America

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Won't read this in the mainstream liberal media.

<a target="_blank" href=http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2005/09/franken-drobny-air-america-all-caught.html>http://radioequalizer.blogspot.com/2005/09/franken-drobny-air-america-all-caught.html</a>
 
And............... ?????????????

Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict and has had more marriages than a Hollywood bimbo. Bill O'Reilly is addicted to phone sex with his employees.... and so it goes.

Clean up your own houses first. They reek of hypocracy.



> Won't read this in the mainstream liberal media.
>
http://radioequalizer.blo> gspot.com/2005/09/franken-drobny-air-america-all-caught.html
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Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly never had government funds earmarked
to go to an inner city boys and girls club funneled to their shows instead.
Why can't you condemn this disgusting money grab on the part of AA, parklane??
Especially when this money was to go to kids in the Bronx?
You liberals are pathetic in your double talk.
Talk about hypocrites!!




> And............... ?????????????
>
> Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict and has had more marriages
> than a Hollywood bimbo. Bill O'Reilly is addicted to phone
> sex with his employees.... and so it goes.
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> Clean up your own houses first. They reek of hypocracy.
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> > Won't read this in the mainstream liberal media.
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> http://radioequalizer.blo>
> gspot.com/2005/09/franken-drobny-air-america-all-caught.html
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> > And............... ?????????????
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> > Rush Limbaugh is a drug addict and has had more marriages
> > than a Hollywood bimbo. Bill O'Reilly is addicted to phone
>
> > sex with his employees.... and so it goes.
> >
> > Clean up your own houses first. They reek of hypocracy.
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> > > Won't read this in the mainstream liberal media.
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> > http://radioequalizer.blo>
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Hey, we FINALLY found a talk radio network that Parklane won't criticize! (Only cause it goes against his agenda)....

Nitpick the smallest stuff on everyone else, but not the major stuff on his faves! :) Good to see you're that transparent.
 
WHY ARE YOU POSTING THIS ON THE BOSTON BOARD? (no-text)

> Won't read this in the mainstream liberal media.
>
http://radioequalizer.blo> gspot.com/2005/09/franken-drobny-air-america-all-caught.html
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Re: WHY ARE YOU POSTING THIS ON THE BOSTON BOARD? (no-text)

Because this is a very interesting story involving the radio industry.
Pretty simple huh?


> > Won't read this in the mainstream liberal media.
> >
> http://radioequalizer.blo>
> gspot.com/2005/09/franken-drobny-air-america-all-caught.html
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> >
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Re: WHY ARE YOU POSTING THIS ON THE BOSTON BOARD? (no-text)

> Because this is a very interesting story involving the radio
> industry.
> Pretty simple huh?

But, how does it involve WKOX/1200 Framingham and WXKS/1430 Everett?

I mean, other than the two stations being affiliates of the network.

Are they involved somehow? Is any of this happening through the Boston market affiliates?

Is this something other than "the programming they run stinks, I can't stand their political point of view, so anything is fair game to post"?

As a counterpoint to the argument - remember when MSNBC fired host Michael Savage for remarks "about gays"? Ranting about it on here wouldn't have been on topic, even though Boston talk station WRKO/680 runs him weeknights from 7-10 PM.

Now, a discussion of "does the station keep him" would be...and if you want to open this one up to wonder if it affects WKOX/WXKS's carriage of Air America programming, that's another matter. It would appear, at this point, it would not.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
> Nitpick the smallest stuff on everyone else, but not the
> major stuff on his faves! :) Good to see you're that
> transparent.

I'm not aiming at parklane here...

I'm just not happy with the entire Political Gladiator Discussion here that has nothing to do with the radio business. I feel the ideologically-driven stuff is wrong to post here on BOTH sides, either with the Air America "scandal" or Rush's "drug use" or O'Reilly's "sexual habits".

Does any of it get them off their Boston affiliates, or affect their Boston listenership? If so, get back to me. If not, go find the Off The Air board.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Air America is a breath of fresh air compared to Rush "Oxycontin" Limbaugh and
Bill "Sex, Please" O'Reilly.


Until you can address the fact that George W. Bush is a complete and utter failure with his lies - WMDs, Tax Breaks (yeah, for a tiny fraction of the country - namely - big corporations), you should try listening to the facts on Air America.




> Won't read this in the mainstream liberal media.

Because the mainstream media is conservative, not liberal.

>
http://radioequalizer.blo> gspot.com/2005/09/franken-drobny-air-america-all-caught.html
>
 
> Won't read this in the mainstream liberal media.

Here we go again. I guess I will be the first to actually address what is in the "newly discovered documents."

I didn't honestly have time to wade through the whole thing... after all, it's just an ownership and assets transfer coming after the severing of Cohen's interest in AAR. I notice the first page of the settlement is mysteriously undated, but I'll presume the parade of notarized statements at the end says this occured last November.

The Unequalizer has had an axe to grind over AAR since its inception, so immediately readers need to hold some suspicion over the veracity of the accusations and the conclusions the author draws (and steers readers to) based on the evidence provided.

In this case, most of his "expose" is really just him angrily responding to his critics who rightfully questioned his interpretation of factual documents, whether it was fair and journalistically credible to mix opinion with straight reporting, and whether the lines he attempted to draw were actually appropriate to the facts.

For example, we were last told that because the Dept. of Investigations in NY was investigating a suspicious transfer of public funds on a loan basis between a non-profit city funded agency and AAR through the arrangement of Evan Cohen, former CEO (and involved with both), that meant it was factually accurate to report the DOI was investigating AAR for "theft" of public funds. When people checked it out, we learned the DOI was investigating the matter, but they most certainly were not investigating Piquant, the current ownership of AAR. I've noticed the author has now stopped that accusation himself. The former CEO Evan Cohen may or may not be under investigation - they won't say. The author also suggests Al Franken himself is directly culpable and he was also under investigation. That's questionable too.

In the end, the mainstream press reported not on Maloney's opinionated and highly unproven charges, but rather on the media reports that he, himself, used to springboard and enhance his own article. Let's also disclose he's running a blog, not a news site. Anyone can say anything on a blog. It's a one man show.

His main charge seems to be:

"These newly disclosed documents go beyond casting serious doubt on Air America talk host Al Franken's recent assertions. They prove that Franken and his cohorts were aware long ago of the community center scandal, contrary to their public statements."

Actually, they don't prove that at all. All they prove is that the debt to the Boys & Girls center is listed on their papers as one of the Liabilities. In sections 20 - 22, there are confidentiality provisions as well an indemnification clauses which would seem to protect Piquant from the legacy of some, if not all, of the former corporation's interests.

Just listing a liability does not mean that someone should be instantly aware of the repayment schedule of said debt, and with a confidentiality agreement, one's ability to discuss these business matters is somewhat limited. Nobody ever denied there was a debt - the only question was whether it was the responsility of Piquant or the former owners, and the indemnification clauses may still leave that an open question.

Next, we see the author set up various straw men in order to knock them down. All of them are either false or significantly distorted:

"We've watched the network, its air personalities and supporters dismiss the mess with excuses:

--- We're a new company (Piquant), we simply purchased the old one (Progress Media).

--- It's not fair to pin this on the talk hosts, they knew nothing about it.

--- A Republican operative from Guam, Evan Montvel Cohen, is responsible, he did this to make Air America look bad.

--- Our critics are right-wingers, why should anyone pay attention to them?"

Argument one leaves out the significant second half of the statement which said the company was unsure of their legal liability to repay a debt obtained by former owners AND despite that, Franken himself said there was a moral obligation to repay it anyway, and that it would be repaid.

Argument two is a distortion. The author provides no evidence that any of the talent other than Franken, bound by the confidentiality agreements therein, were party to or aware of this confidential document.

Argument three is false. The management and talent have not put forth that assertion in statements I have seen. In fact, the source of that charge keeps coming back to right wing blogs who say they heard someone say that. That sounds like a straw man argument, as in: "Can you believe those crazy liberals now actually believe Cohen was a secret operative?" Now perhaps some AAR fans may have also speculated accordingly, but that is not the position of AAR. If someone can point to a document, news release, or recording saying otherwise, I'd like to see it.

Argument four is distorted. Actually, the dismissive attitude to the Unequalizer comes not from some grand conspiracy, but rather his amatuerish journalistic practices which rely mostly on real media which he copies, then amplifies, distributes, and redistributes the in-turn amplification that comes from those other blogs who support his personal point of view.

In the end, there is nothing "explosive" at all in today's Unequalizer report.

Our star reporter remains a failed, unemployed right wing talk show host who relies on the "special pyramid style" method of journalistic reporting that allows gems like "it's a rogue's gallery of liberal talk radio tricksters," in your unbiased news report.

I'd say Snoopy would stand a better chance of winning that Pulitzer (or even the prize that lets you nominate yourself - the Payne Award).
 
Re: WHY ARE YOU POSTING THIS ON THE BOSTON BOARD? (no-text)

We're not really supposed to cross-post...put same post on diff. boards. Prob.
best to put it on the board that most applies to it, like News/Talk. And I'm
one that gets a kick out of hearing about the Lying Liar who just got caught
lying himself (again; see when he misrepresented himself to Bill Bennett
in an interview, for example).
<P ID="signature">______________
News and views about Boston and New England Radio:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/boston_radio</P>
 
> > Won't read this in the mainstream liberal media.
>
> Because the mainstream media is conservative, not liberal.
>

This makes sense to you? That the media, being conservative, won't report news that is damaging to AAR? <P ID="signature">______________
<a href="http://saltydog.5gigs.com/cindyspeaks.html">
The Salty Dog</a>
</P>
 
Even an idiot can be right sometimes

”I didn't honestly have time to wade through the whole thing”

That’s a rough start to an argument to admit that you haven’t read the evidence. At 61 pages, it <u>is</u> long. However, I don’t have time to read 61 pages either but I do have word search which lead me immediately to page 45 when I searched for "boys and girls club":



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<center>-Page 45-</center>

<center><u>Schedule 15.2.4</u></center>

<center>AAR LIABILITIES</center>

The specific liabilities listed on the attached schedule <u>plus</u> the following:

1) $875,000 claimed by The Gloria Wise Boys & Girls Club, of which an aggregate of $167,000 was purportedly advanced to Progress Media, Inc. (PMI) on October 2nd, 2003. ($80,000) and November 26, 2003 ($87,000), and an aggregate of $708,000 was purportedly advanced to Radio Free America, Inc. on March 5, 2004 ($218,000) and March 15, 2004 ($490,000) (collectively, the "Boys and Girls Club Claims")

-- on the same page, it goes on to list 3 more liabilities


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”The Unequalizer has had an axe to grind over AAR since its inception, so immediately readers need to hold some suspicion over the veracity of the accusations and the conclusions the author draws (and steers readers to) based on the evidence provided.”

I have asserted his lack of credibility in the past. But even tabloids get it right sometimes. Britney Spears is in fact pregnant.

”His main charge would seem to be:

"These newly disclosed documents go beyond casting serious doubt on Air America talk host Al Franken's recent assertions. They prove that Franken and his cohorts were aware long ago of the community center scandal, contrary to their public statements."

Actually, they don't prove that at all. All they prove is that the debt to the Boys & Girls center is listed on their papers as one of the Liabilities.


What about the signatures on the notarized documents? They signed it and then deny they knew about it?

"In sections 20 - 22, there are confidentiality provisions as well an indemnification clauses which would seem to protect Piquant from the legacy of some, if not all, of the former corporation's interests."

You appear to suggest that in the same document, they list liabilities to be assumed by the new company and then indemnify them from those same obligations. I see nothing in the language that suggests that but I'll keep an open mind. What paragraph are you citing?

Failing that, the only available defenses would be:

<ul>[*]The "I’m Incompetent Defense". I signed them but I didn’t read them. (They can presumably rely on statements of their attorneys. I don't read all the documents my attorney puts under my nose to sign either. But when you are making denials, shouldn't you refer to the documents?)
[*] I never said what you heard me say when I said we have no liability.
[*]The Documents are falsified.[/list]

"Our star reporter remains a failed, unemployed right wing talk show host"

True. But which of those three things disqualifies him. Failure, unemployment, or being a right wing talk show host? It's not very compelling. Relying on attempts to discredit the reporter appears to betray a lack of confidence in your arguments.<P ID="signature">______________
Jerry

"If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it." - Albert Einstein </P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Jerry Stevens on 09/08/05 03:44 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> Won't read this in the mainstream liberal media.
>
http://radioequalizer.blo> gspot.com/2005/09/franken-drobny-air-america-all-caught.html
>

I skimmed the 61 page document, It says that Al Franken is not an Investor. It seems to me (not a Legal professional) that the only reason Al Franken had to sign anything having to do with the sale of the company, was to agree not to hold the sellers liable for the salary that they din't pay him. I have seen no proof that the list of the companies liabilities (which should make no difference to Franken {since he's not an investor})was read over or understood by Franken. I imagine his lawyer looked at the document, and had Al Franken sign a document that basically excused the fact that the former owners(Cohen, etc. failed to pay him for his work). I don't think a list of liabilities would hold a great interest for him, since he was not an owner or investor.

It doesn't seem like a "smoking gun " to me.
 
Re: Even an idiot can be right sometimes

> ”I didn't honestly have time to wade through the whole
> thing”
>
> That’s a rough start to an argument to admit that you
> haven’t read the evidence.

That's not what I wrote. I did not wade through the entire pdf DOCUMENT DUMP that the Unequalizer did. Most of his readers will assume that his charges must be true because of the quantity of virtual paper. But I could have done a document dump in refuting his nonsense, but I assume people are intelligent enough to know what is relevant and what isn't.

> Schedule 15.2.4
>
> AAR LIABILITIES

This was the relevant part *I* discussed in my reply. I decided not to discuss who got the office furniture.

> I have asserted his lack of credibility in the past.

Where?

> What about the Al Franken’s signature on the notarized
> documents?

What about it? Al Franken never said there wasn't a debt owed to Boys & Girls Club - he said he wasn't sure who owed it. The indemnification section seems to suggest the debts that came with Cohen stayed with Cohen - I'm not an attorney.

The Unequalizer is attempting to suggest Franken denied knowing anything about a debt to B&G. That's untrue.

> You appear to suggest that in the same document, they list
> liabilities to be assumed by the new company and then
> indemnify them from those same obligations. I see nothing in
> the language that suggests that but I'll keep an open mind.
> What paragraph are you citing?

I am saying there is language there which seems to be sorting out who owes what. Franken's argument was he wasn't sure in Piquant owed money or Cohen's company owed the money. But he -ALSO- said it didn't matter in the end, AAR would repay it regardless. That very important fact was left out of the "expose."

> True. But which of those three things disqualifies him.
> Failure, unemployment, or being a right wing talk show host?
> It's not very compelling. Relying on attempts to discredit
> the reporter appears to betray a lack of confidence in your
> arguments.

What discredits him is what we wrote today, yesterday, last week, and last month. His current employment situation and his background as a right wing talkshow host suggest resentment and, assuming he is now relying in part on the success of his blog for income, the more sensational the better.
 
Re: Even an idiot can be right sometimes

"That's not what I wrote. I did not wade through the entire pdf DOCUMENT DUMP that the Unequalizer did. "

The "document dump" is the evidence I referred to. If he had released only a few pages, he would have been rightfully accused of being selective. Neither of us has to read it all. Word search is your friend.

"This was the relevant part *I* discussed in my reply. I decided not to discuss who got the office furniture."

I'm not aware of any charges regarding furniture. I take that as an attempt to make this all appear as minutia.

"I have asserted his lack of credibility in the past."

"Where?"


Why? Do you doubt me? (Dumb question, of course you do.) In this forum. Charlie Profit was the last to question me on this and I was able to provide a link. I think the thread is so old it is gone now. (I don't frequent this board much anymore. It's a little, uh, one dimensional.) Maloney says he got fired from Entercom for criticizing Dan Rather. I used to work for Entercom (in another market) and I just don't find that to be credible knowing what kind of people run their talk stations and the amount of documentation one needs to fire someone in a publicly traded company. Malroney's conservative coworkers also denied that he was fired for the reason he says he was fired.

"What about the Al Franken’s signature on the notarized documents?

What about it? Al Franken never said there wasn't a debt owed to Boys & Girls Club - he said he wasn't sure who owed it."


Why wasn't he sure who owed it? It says so right in the settlement document. As I said in my (edited) comments, it's reasonable to think that one doesn't read every legal document. That's what attorney's are for. But I can't imagine not referring to it since the question of liability was raised repeatedly.

"The indemnification section seems to suggest the debts that came with Cohen stayed with Cohen - I'm not an attorney. "

If you can't understand what it says, then it's meaningless to say that it "suggests" anything.

I'm not claiming this is any huge scandal, at least as it relates to Franken. And possibly to no one unless executives lied to the wrong people (as did Martha Stewart).

But it's clear that unless the documents are forged, Piquant is on the hook for the debt, executives knew it and have been stating otherwise for quite some time.<P ID="signature">______________
Jerry

"If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it." - Albert Einstein </P>
 
> > Won't read this in the mainstream liberal media.

FRranken is running for senate in 2008?

Or is it a publicity stunt?

Franken fans, please explain.

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
SOUTH FLORIDA RADIO HISTORY</P>
 
Non-scandal at Air America - Franken and the Senate

>
> FRranken is running for senate in 2008?

It's a possibity. This possibility is the reason he is moving his primary residence back to Minnesota. He really, REALLY does not like that sleazy weasel Norm Coleman.

This makes the signing of Thom Hartmann to AAR's new syndication arm really good news.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
 
> > Won't read this in the mainstream liberal media.
> >
> http://radioequalizer.blo>
> gspot.com/2005/09/franken-drobny-air-america-all-caught.html
>
> >
>
> I skimmed the 61 page document, It says that Al Franken is
> not an Investor.

No it doesn't. Al Franken is listed by name, but not as a separate party--see the introduction. He is subsumed under the investor rubric, since he falls under no other category.

If you have found language that says he is not an investor, please direct me to it. I read the thing twice (actually read, because my PDF word search isn't working on this document), and saw NO SUCH language.

> It seems to me (not a Legal professional)

Don't need to be. A contract is supposed to be readable by a layman. General rule: If a layman can't read and understand it, you're probably being screwed. Consult counsel immediately.

You're smart, so you're fine. You may analyze thusly...

> that the only reason Al Franken had to sign anything having
> to do with the sale of the company, was to agree not to hold
> the sellers liable for the salary that they din't pay him.

Doesn't appear anywhere in the settlement agreement. Franken's non-payment of salary may have led to his "involuntary investor" status, but he's still an investor, regardless.

And the agreement never says anything about this anyway.

> I
> have seen no proof that the list of the companies
> liabilities (which should make no difference to Franken
> {since he's not an investor})was read over or understood by
> Franken.

Franken signed the document, attesting to the fact that he read and understood the terms of it. His knowledge of it is assumed by his signature. He may make all the representations he wants now about blindly signing under attorney's advice, but his signature is on that document. His issue then is with Joe Blow, Esq.--his counsel then, not with the document or the other parties.

> I imagine his lawyer looked at the document, and
> had Al Franken sign a document that basically excused the
> fact that the former owners(Cohen, etc. failed to pay him
> for his work).

Again, there is no reference to this in the settlement agreement. It may be true, it may not be. But it is not in the pages of this agreement. Your statements may be correct, but are mere conjecture on your part. As the document says--it is the entire agreement, and no outside sources or information change it. Your hypothesis about non-payment of salary may be factually accurate, but is not a part of this agreement.

> I don't think a list of liabilities would
> hold a great interest for him, since he was not an owner or
> investor.

But he was an investor, which is why he signed the thing.

> It doesn't seem like a "smoking gun " to me.
>

We agree here. It's an important document, but far from smoking. Maybe room temperature.
 
> > > Won't read this in the mainstream liberal media.
> > >
> > http://radioequalizer.blo>
> >
> gspot.com/2005/09/franken-drobny-air-america-all-caught.html
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> > >
> >
> > I skimmed the 61 page document, It says that Al Franken is
>
> > not an Investor.
>
> No it doesn't. Al Franken is listed by name, but not as a
> separate party--see the introduction. He is subsumed under
> the investor rubric, since he falls under no other category.
>
>
> If you have found language that says he is not an investor,
> please direct me to it. I read the thing twice (actually
> read, because my PDF word search isn't working on this
> document), and saw NO SUCH language.
>

On the bottom of page 43 (of 61)

*Notwithstanding the inclusion of his name on this schedule A, the parties acknowledge that Mr. Franken is not an investor in Piquant, LLC and was not at any time an investor in any of PMI, RFA, or ET.
 
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