Hannity vs. Savage

[classic_rocker]

Not usually a big fan of talk radio myself but... was channel surfing in my car the other night came upon Michael Savage going on about how he was kicking Hannitiy's butt in several markets. Excuse my ignorance but aren't these guys on the same side??

 

[2001]

> Not usually a big fan of talk radio myself but... was
> channel surfing in my car the other night came upon Michael
> Savage going on about how he was kicking Hannitiy's butt in
> several markets. Excuse my ignorance but aren't these guys
> on the same side??
>

On the same side? Well....for the most part, yeah. For the most part, mind you. I mean, I wouldn't say that Hannity and Savage are like "two peas in a pod".
But you know something? Over the years I have heard plenty of local conservative radio talk show hosts take on Limbaugh in one way or another. Usually, I'll hear a local right-wing voice say that he agrees with much of what Limbaugh has to say, but that he can't stand Limbaugh's attitude, or something like that. It's not as uncommon as you (may) think for two guys "on the same side" (as you put it) to criticize one another from time to time.

 

[heywhatsupglenn]

> > Not usually a big fan of talk radio myself but... was
> > channel surfing in my car the other night came upon
> Michael
> > Savage going on about how he was kicking Hannitiy's butt
> in
> > several markets. Excuse my ignorance but aren't these guys
>
> > on the same side??
> >
>
> On the same side? Well....for the most part, yeah. For the
> most part, mind you. I mean, I wouldn't say that Hannity and
> Savage are like "two peas in a pod".
> But you know something? Over the years I have heard plenty
> of local conservative radio talk show hosts take on Limbaugh
> in one way or another. Usually, I'll hear a local right-wing
> voice say that he agrees with much of what Limbaugh has to
> say, but that he can't stand Limbaugh's attitude, or
> something like that. It's not as uncommon as you (may) think
> for two guys "on the same side" (as you put it) to criticize
> one another from time to time.
>

They hate each other (Hannity doesn't like Joe Scarborogh either). But I can't recall any market where Savage is beating Hannity head-to-head (Savage must be speaking of markets where Hannity is his lead in on the same station). Savage sucks. He can't even get up to bat in his home market of San Francisco. Savage sucks.

 

[raccoonradio]

The Talkers survey has Sean at #2 (and almost approaching Rush numbers)
and Savage at #4.
I prefer Sean to Savage though some like Michael for his mad-as-hell-and-not-gonna -take-it-anymore approach (though Sean can sound like that sometimes). Sean comes across as the guy next door--that is, if you're in a neighborhood where people
make $5 million a year Let not your heart be troubled.

 

[ajhenderson]

> The Talkers survey has Sean at #2 (and almost approaching
> Rush numbers)
> and Savage at #4.

Savage gained to tie Stern at #3. Hannity should be a street vendor on 66th St.

 

[john23]

> I prefer Sean to Savage though some like Michael for his
> mad-as-hell-and-not-gonna -take-it-anymore approach (though
> Sean can sound like that sometimes). Sean comes across as
> the guy next door--that is, if you're in a neighborhood
> where people
> make $5 million a year Let not your heart be troubled.
>
Savage also doesn't toe the Republican Party line as much as Sean. Sure, Sean will criticize Bush on occasion, but Savage criticizes more than he praises.

 

[raccoonradio]

Well that certainly is good--we don't want a talk host to always be an amen
corner for his favorite candidates/party. Sean has indeed said he will criticize
Bush/GOP when warranted, and during the brief time I was able to hear Fox News
Live with Alan Colmes in Boston (WRKO had it on for a few months) I heard
Sean's TV co-host, Colmes, say the same thing about the Democrats: he will
criticize them when he disagrees.

Without getting too much into politics, many talk hosts will take a hard line
on the issues, right or left, but not everybody feels that way. There are some
"Independents" (myself included) who will agree with the GOP on taxes, fighting
terrorism, etc. but we may find ourselves agreeing with liberals on abortion,
gay marriage, etc. The <a href="http://www.southparkconservatives.com">
"South Park Conservatives" </a> are the same way--while they
would agree with a Hannity on many issues, they also find themselves not
necessarily agreeing with religious/Christian folks on issues like the
government censoring TV/radio. ("The Parent's Television Council, no doubt made up of the same kinds of censor-happy hypocritical a------ as every other special interest group that tries to tell you how to live and what to think..."--
from the S.P.C.'s website) So while Hannity, Ingraham, Rush, et al,
may be on a hard right, and Franken/Miller/Schulz, etc., may be on a hard
left, not all of their listeners will agree on every issue.

> Savage also doesn't toe the Republican Party line as much as
> Sean. Sure, Sean will criticize Bush on occasion, but
> Savage criticizes more than he praises.
>

 

[doc9464]

> The Talkers survey has Sean at #2 (and almost approaching
> Rush numbers)
> and Savage at #4.
> I prefer Sean to Savage though some like Michael for his
> mad-as-hell-and-not-gonna -take-it-anymore approach (though
> Sean can sound like that sometimes). Sean comes across as
> the guy next door--that is, if you're in a neighborhood
> where people
> make $5 million a year Let not your heart be troubled.
>

Sean Hannity does not come across as anybody's neighbor....the few times i do hear him on radio or tv, I find him to be frankly smug and unfriendly unless there is some guest he feels he needs to suck up to to be more successful with his audience. He has his audience and a salary worthy of being smug..i guess...

My real problem with Hannity are the rules they have setup so that Colmes cannot directly challenge or even argue a point directly. Is that a sign of a strong host, a host afraid of conflict...or at least giving the impression that he is not afraid of conflict? (Just my opinion). If he wants a real show, how aboout pulling those rules? Hannity tries to be entertaining at least....i dont find him entertaining but you know hes trying but ...lets move to mr Savage

Savage....well I find Michael "my real name is Weiner" Savage to be just3 hours of anger with a side dish of anger. I don't know or ever hope to see/understand exactly why Savage has a following at all...I find it sad that people are that angry that they have to buy into Savage's act........this country is in trouble but Savage assails everyone.....without much else.

 

[doc9464]

> Well that certainly is good--we don't want a talk host to
> always be an amen
> corner for his favorite candidates/party. Sean has indeed
> said he will criticize
> Bush/GOP when warranted, and during the brief time I was
> able to hear Fox News
> Live with Alan Colmes in Boston (WRKO had it on for a few
> months) I heard
> Sean's TV co-host, Colmes, say the same thing about the
> Democrats: he will
> criticize them when he disagrees.
>

If he is as described above...then why does he find the need to distort or continue push debunked issues. For example, why does Hannity find it necessary to make Hillary guilty of crimes that may have been perpetrated by her former Campaign manager when the proscecution stated clearly that Hillary was not looked at at all or was not considered to ever be part of the crime?

Or a better example, why does Hannity push that WMD still exist in Iraq....when its been disproven by our government and the 8/11 commission....he learned well from his masters Cheney and Bush. (again this is my opinion)

To me, with his popularity as claimed here, he would have little need to distort.
He should simply be able to speak truth to power (my opinion.....). I don't feel he does.

 

[raccoonradio]

er, we may have to take this to the Off the Air board...

I will say that a weapon of mass distruction was found in Iraq, a weapon
that gassed people, murdered many Iraqis, and funded suicide bombers.
His name is Saddam.

 

[heywhatsupglenn]

> er, we may have to take this to the Off the Air board...
>
> I will say that a weapon of mass distruction was found in
> Iraq, a weapon
> that gassed people, murdered many Iraqis, and funded suicide
> bombers.
> His name is Saddam.
>

Well said.

What liberals will try to make everyone forget is all the Kurds, Kuwaitis, Iranians and other non-Suni's that Saddam killed WITH WmD's...

 

[heywhatsupglenn]

> The Talkers survey has Sean at #2 (and almost approaching
> Rush numbers)
> and Savage at #4.
> I prefer Sean to Savage though some like Michael for his
> mad-as-hell-and-not-gonna -take-it-anymore approach (though
> Sean can sound like that sometimes). Sean comes across as
> the guy next door--that is, if you're in a neighborhood
> where people
> make $5 million a year Let not your heart be troubled.
>

I'd still like to hear about a large market where Savage does well.

I'm in Los Angeles and he's on the also-ran talk station here, (Salem's 870) KRLA. He does nothing at his home base station Clear Channel's KNEW in San Francisco. He does nothing in San Diego, Phoenix or Las Vegas (opposite Sean Hannity in Las Vegas). The only market I know he does well in Tucson at Clear Channel's KNST, which is, by far, the talk market leader. And Sean Hannity is his lead-in in Tucson.

 

[RobertAnthony]

> > Not usually a big fan of talk radio myself but... was
> > channel surfing in my car the other night came upon
> Michael
> > Savage going on about how he was kicking Hannitiy's butt
> in
> > several markets. Excuse my ignorance but aren't these guys
>
> > on the same side??
> >
>
> On the same side? Well....for the most part, yeah. For the
> most part, mind you. I mean, I wouldn't say that Hannity and
> Savage are like "two peas in a pod".
> But you know something? Over the years I have heard plenty
> of local conservative radio talk show hosts take on Limbaugh
> in one way or another. Usually, I'll hear a local right-wing
> voice say that he agrees with much of what Limbaugh has to
> say, but that he can't stand Limbaugh's attitude, or
> something like that. It's not as uncommon as you (may) think
> for two guys "on the same side" (as you put it) to criticize
> one another from time to time.
>

If you check out Savage's website, he lists in San Francisco--his HOME MARKET--where he is on KNEW--he is clobbering Hannity, who falls to 18th. He also boasts of ratings success in Boston (WRKO) and New York (WOR). And in other markets:

http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/ratings.html

Most people like Savage because of his take no prisoners, tell-it-like-it-is attitude. He even disagrees with the President--for not being conservative enough!

 

[DiamondJoe]

> If you check out Savage's website, he lists in San
> Francisco--his HOME MARKET--where he is on KNEW--he is
> clobbering Hannity, who falls to 18th. He also boasts of
> ratings success in Boston (WRKO) and New York (WOR). And in
> other markets:
>
> http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/ratings.html

And Hannity is airing at Savage's old stomping grounds of KSFO, is it not?<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>

 

[gr8oldies]

Likewise Savage thinks Hannity is a pretty boy who is a stooge of the epublican party, and he plays softball so he can have all the liberal guests on.



> > > Not usually a big fan of talk radio myself but... was
> > > channel surfing in my car the other night came upon
> > Michael
> > > Savage going on about how he was kicking Hannitiy's butt
>
> > in
> > > several markets. Excuse my ignorance but aren't these
> guys
> >
> > > on the same side??
> > >
> >
> > On the same side? Well....for the most part, yeah. For the
>
> > most part, mind you. I mean, I wouldn't say that Hannity
> and
> > Savage are like "two peas in a pod".
> > But you know something? Over the years I have heard plenty
>
> > of local conservative radio talk show hosts take on
> Limbaugh
> > in one way or another. Usually, I'll hear a local
> right-wing
> > voice say that he agrees with much of what Limbaugh has to
>
> > say, but that he can't stand Limbaugh's attitude, or
> > something like that. It's not as uncommon as you (may)
> think
> > for two guys "on the same side" (as you put it) to
> criticize
> > one another from time to time.
> >
>
> If you check out Savage's website, he lists in San
> Francisco--his HOME MARKET--where he is on KNEW--he is
> clobbering Hannity, who falls to 18th. He also boasts of
> ratings success in Boston (WRKO) and New York (WOR). And in
> other markets:
>
> http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/ratings.html
>
> Most people like Savage because of his take no prisoners,
> tell-it-like-it-is attitude. He even disagrees with the
> President--for not being conservative enough!
>
<P ID="signature">______________
"You can't say 'moron' on the radio, you can only say 'moron' on television"...FCC official on an episode of "The Fairly Oddparents" which my son watches</P>

 

[jcolletta275]

> > er, we may have to take this to the Off the Air board...
> >
> > I will say that a weapon of mass distruction was found in
> > Iraq, a weapon
> > that gassed people, murdered many Iraqis, and funded
> suicide
> > bombers.
> > His name is Saddam.
> >
>
> Well said.
>
> What liberals will try to make everyone forget is all the
> Kurds, Kuwaitis, Iranians and other non-Suni's that Saddam
> killed WITH WmD's...

Not only that, but moving to the domestic issue of Hillarygate 2005, this isn't the first time her campaign finance manager has done this, and she's looked the other way for years. It is her responsibility as it's her campaign, and after several other times of this happening, there's no reasonable explanation as to why she wouldn't have known about it this time. Hannity isn't leveling baseless accusations, it's simple (un)common sense <P ID="signature">______________
"Get educated. Read stuff on the web and believe all of it."
-- Phil Hendrie</P>

 

[heywhatsupglenn]

> Likewise Savage thinks Hannity is a pretty boy who is a
> stooge of the epublican party, and he plays softball so he
> can have all the liberal guests on.

You'll have to give examples of where Hannity is soft on liberals. I don't see it. Both on his radio show and on Hannity and Colmes, he regularly helps implode the foolish arguments of liberals. And he disagrees with Bush on my #1 issue, Illegal Immigrants. For that alone I applaud him. He's been much stronger - consistently - on that issue than O'Reilly, Limbaugh or Savage.

What I really like about Hannity is he regularly goes all over the USA and broadcasts his show from his affiliates. Other talk show hosts should do the same.

>
>
>
> > > > Not usually a big fan of talk radio myself but... was
> > > > channel surfing in my car the other night came upon
> > > Michael
> > > > Savage going on about how he was kicking Hannitiy's
> butt
> >
> > > in
> > > > several markets. Excuse my ignorance but aren't these
> > guys
> > >
> > > > on the same side??
> > > >
> > >
> > > On the same side? Well....for the most part, yeah. For
> the
> >
> > > most part, mind you. I mean, I wouldn't say that Hannity
>
> > and
> > > Savage are like "two peas in a pod".
> > > But you know something? Over the years I have heard
> plenty
> >
> > > of local conservative radio talk show hosts take on
> > Limbaugh
> > > in one way or another. Usually, I'll hear a local
> > right-wing
> > > voice say that he agrees with much of what Limbaugh has
> to
> >
> > > say, but that he can't stand Limbaugh's attitude, or
> > > something like that. It's not as uncommon as you (may)
> > think
> > > for two guys "on the same side" (as you put it) to
> > criticize
> > > one another from time to time.
> > >
> >
> > If you check out Savage's website, he lists in San
> > Francisco--his HOME MARKET--where he is on KNEW--he is
> > clobbering Hannity, who falls to 18th. He also boasts of
> > ratings success in Boston (WRKO) and New York (WOR). And
> in
> > other markets:
> >
> > http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/ratings.html
> >
> > Most people like Savage because of his take no prisoners,
> > tell-it-like-it-is attitude. He even disagrees with the
> > President--for not being conservative enough!
> >
>

 

[kaufcom]

Also, let's not forget that 75% of Savage's affiliates carry him after 6pm. A 4 share after 6 pm represents as many listeners as a 2 share in PM drive where most of Hannity's listeners are. I think that Savage is frustrated how Hannity has moved ahead of him in ratings and senses he is sinking from number 2 to number 4 or 5.


> > The Talkers survey has Sean at #2 (and almost approaching
> > Rush numbers)
> > and Savage at #4.
> > I prefer Sean to Savage though some like Michael for his
> > mad-as-hell-and-not-gonna -take-it-anymore approach
> (though
> > Sean can sound like that sometimes). Sean comes across as
> > the guy next door--that is, if you're in a neighborhood
> > where people
> > make $5 million a year Let not your heart be troubled.

> I'd still like to hear about a large market where Savage
> does well.
>
> I'm in Los Angeles and he's on the also-ran talk station
> here, (Salem's 870) KRLA. He does nothing at his home base
> station Clear Channel's KNEW in San Francisco. He does
> nothing in San Diego, Phoenix or Las Vegas (opposite Sean
> Hannity in Las Vegas). The only market I know he does well
> in Tucson at Clear Channel's KNST, which is, by far, the
> talk market leader. And Sean Hannity is his lead-in in
> Tucson.
>

 

[Shadow]

> The Talkers survey has Sean at #2 (and almost approaching
> Rush numbers)
> and Savage at #4.
> I prefer Sean to Savage though some like Michael for his
> mad-as-hell-and-not-gonna -take-it-anymore approach (though
> Sean can sound like that sometimes). Sean comes across as
> the guy next door--that is, if you're in a neighborhood
> where people
> make $5 million a year Let not your heart be troubled.
>
In reality you cannot compare the two shows from ratings/listeners standpoint. Hannity being on from 3P-6P EST makes his show clear live on the west coast from Noon - 3PM. He is basically in prime-time hours with more potential listeners in all time zones.

Savage is prime-time west coast but his show clears live from 6p-9P EST. That creates a huge deficit in the potential amount of listeners Savage could reach.

Therefore you cannot compare their audiences from a cume standpoint. I will say this (although I don't like either show), it seems Savage has some nice talking points by saying "Gee, I am number 4 in the country while my show airs in evenings compared to pretty-boy Hannity."

 

[Shadow]

> > > er, we may have to take this to the Off the Air board...
>
> > >
> > > I will say that a weapon of mass distruction was found
> in
> > > Iraq, a weapon
> > > that gassed people, murdered many Iraqis, and funded
> > suicide
> > > bombers.
> > > His name is Saddam.
> > >
> >
> > Well said.
> >
> > What liberals will try to make everyone forget is all the
> > Kurds, Kuwaitis, Iranians and other non-Suni's that Saddam
>
> > killed WITH WmD's...
>
> Not only that, but moving to the domestic issue of
> Hillarygate 2005, this isn't the first time her campaign
> finance manager has done this, and she's looked the other
> way for years. It is her responsibility as it's her
> campaign, and after several other times of this happening,
> there's no reasonable explanation as to why she wouldn't
> have known about it this time. Hannity isn't leveling
> baseless accusations, it's simple (un)common sense
>
Weapons of mass destraction...what a beautiful phrase. Whomever coined it from the Bush administartion should be bowed down to. We live in such a bumper sticker world.