Hard To Find 45 versions- And Where To Get Them!

[TheFonz]

Grumpy's Golden Oldies at http://www.goldhunt.fsnet.co.uk/Grumpy/ will take requests and usually post the songs within a week. The songs are in mp3 format, of course. Some really rare songs might be dubbed from vinyl. But if you really need the song, it's worth a try. And it's free!

An added note: Grumpy's is based in the U.K. American '50s/'60s music is much more popular in Europe than it is in the U.S. Therefore, a song considered hard to find in the U.S. might be easily available in the U.K.

This is very true the Brits take no prisoners when it comes to American Rock N' Roll, ACE UK, (not to be mistaken with the American ACE records/Jackson Miss) has one of the best series called "American history of Rock N Roll" something like that..it is the best i have ever seen, sometimes up to 30 cuts (must be 90 minute cd's) a little pricey, but you get more than your moneys worth , plus the packaging is first class, plenty of liner notes , pictures and chart date US/UK. I have a few volumes , i believe there may be over 30 volumes.

The Golden Age Of American Rock & Roll. 12 volumes so far. Plus separate volumes for Doo Wop, Pop, Country, Novelty and Flip Sides. And you are right.................this is a "must" collection for anyone just starting to build their '50s/early '60s music library.


http://www.acerecords.co.uk/content.php?page_id=53&searchtype=2&searchterm=GOLDEN+AGE

 

[Groove1670]

I have been able to find most if not all of the edited songs listed.

The only two I haven't found:
Eagles - Lyin Eyes
Layla - Derek/Dominoes

Are these available on any CD comps. or soundtracks. Thanks

 

[Silkie]

I always used to go to Alan Lee's Roadhouse Oldies. He ships.

http://www.roadhouseoldies.com/store.html

 

[billyg]

I have been able to find most if not all of the edited songs listed.

The only two I haven't found:
Eagles - Lyin Eyes
Layla - Derek/Dominoes

Are these available on any CD comps. or soundtracks. Thanks

I've yet to see the edited versions on any CD compilation.You'll either have to create your own edit from the long CD version, or do a "needledrop" from an original 45. I remember other Eagles 45 like "One of These Nights" "Best of My Love" and "Take it To The Limit" being edited too.

 

[Groove1670]

Found the Eagles tunes on Rhapsody. Search for Digital 45, they have several song edits in that section. Purchased the 45 for Layla. Now where is that turntable 8).

 

[Captainfirst]

One other great source is thrift stores. I have, in my possession, a mint condition original 45 of "I Want You Back" that I found in a Salvation Army store, for I kid you not, 50 cents. They had just thrown it in the bin with everything else.

 

[deltas69]

you would be surprised at what is lurking over on you tube...just snag it..

 

[oldies76]

you would be surprised at what is lurking over on you tube...just snag it..

Downloading these and converting them to MP3, the audio is bad quality..lots of wavy, swirly sounds in the music, probably something encoded to prevent quality transfers. Tried several times.

 

[oldies76]

One other great source is thrift stores.

Antique stores are good too, as long as the 45's are in sleeves. Some can be too scratched!

There's always Napster at 99 cents...Watch out for bad or alternate versions though, or re-records.

 

[amfmsw]

Many times, it's gonna be that original 45, like in the early 4 Seasons Vee-Jay/Phillips, (are you ready for this) because the Master Tapes have been LOST FOREVER. If you want the origiinal "Sherry" wet vocal mix with reverb ON THE VOCAL only, you're now going to need a 45rpm, as the mono LP was a stereo mono L+R mix. I thought it nwas hooey, until I played them back to back, and remembered what the song really did sound like as a kid. I actually played this mono 45 version on the air this weekend http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AapxXRlsdwA vs the stereo one from the TM Century library http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHkuobFexxg Notice how DEAD the stereo version is...and the difference in length. Like I said, I thought it was bravo sierra, until a friend sent me this:
http://thatfourseasonssound.typepad.com/seasonally/ As earlier noted, capturing and converting audio from youtube is pretty much a lost cause UNLESS it's a .wmv file, but most play very well on the air if you let them download first.

 

[deltas69]

Downloading these and converting them to MP3, the audio is bad quality..lots of wavy, swirly sounds in the music, probably something encoded to prevent quality transfers. Tried several times. i get perfect copies using the sound editor in ROXIO 7..i hit record..then start the you tube selection..records the audio of the video that is playing..works great..also make commercials from movie trailers..record..snip..snip..etc bingo a 30 or 60 second spot

 

[Silkie]

There is still nothing like a good old 45 on a turntable. My best girlfriend and I were listening to records when she came for a visit, and we were talking about the sound of a record. They weren't the digital remasters and even the cleanest ones had/have a distinct kind of sound quality that just makes ya feel good.

 

[billyg]

Many times, it's gonna be that original 45, like in the early 4 Seasons Vee-Jay/Phillips, (are you ready for this) because the Master Tapes have been LOST FOREVER. If you want the origiinal "Sherry" wet vocal mix with reverb ON THE VOCAL only, you're now going to need a 45rpm, as the mono LP was a stereo mono L+R mix. I thought it nwas hooey, until I played them back to back, and remembered what the song really did sound like as a kid. I actually played this mono 45 version on the air this weekend http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AapxXRlsdwA vs the stereo one from the TM Century library http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHkuobFexxg Notice how DEAD the stereo version is...and the difference in length. Like I said, I thought it was bravo sierra, until a friend sent me this:
http://thatfourseasonssound.typepad.com/seasonally/ As earlier noted, capturing and converting audio from youtube is pretty much a lost cause UNLESS it's a .wmv file, but most play very well on the air if you let them download first.

Many of those Goldiscs used the "No Noise" noise reduction system, which tended to muffle up the high end and deaden the sound. Unfortunately TM Century (are they still in business?) never upgraded the sound quality of their CD's and many oldies, classic hits and classic rock stations still use those processed versions.

 

[TheFonz]

There is still nothing like a good old 45 on a turntable. My best girlfriend and I were listening to records when she came for a visit, and we were talking about the sound of a record. They weren't the digital remasters and even the cleanest ones had/have a distinct kind of sound quality that just makes ya feel good.

Most of today's turntables have stereo cartridges. 45s from the '50s and early '60s were cut in mono. For really great sound, run that turntable through an amp that has a mono/stereo switch. Instead of hearing clicks and pops in stereo, the clicks and pops will be in the center...............less obvious and much more listenable.

 

[amfmsw]

billy & fonz...you are both so right. i even have a grado cartridge strapped l+r mono in the headshell, and it works wonderfully. otherwise, the marantz amps i use sum wellm and reduce the lateral clipping and noise by 50%. and yes some of the goldiscs were pretty rough, especially the 'gold' colored ones. the later yellow colored no noise discs were somewhat more sophisticated, with a lot of correct 45 versions in stereo, like 'susan' by the buckinghams

 

[Drawer L]

Good God, how could we all have overlooked Rhino's "Have A Nice Day" series? Single edits and mixes all the way through. Bonus tracks on CD versus cassette. Just last year I saw several brand-new copies, still unopened, at Amoeba Records (their San Francisco location near Golden Gate Park). Reasonably priced, too. I picked up about a half dozen different volumes.

??? Errrr....NO.There's a few 45 versions/edits scattered about the set,but MOST of them are the LP versions.My ONLY problem with the set.Same goes for the soul set DIDN'T IT BLOW YOUR MIND.----GREAT,GREAT stuff,but if you buy 'em looking for the edits,you'll be disappointed.---If you're looking for a series WITH 45 versions/edits,go for the Time-Life Sounds Of The Seventies series.Story is the producers went out of their way to use 45 versions.The only one (that I know of...) that they DIDN'T get was the 45 of Alice Cooper's "School's Out" on Sounds Of The Seventies:1972.--And the only reason they didn't get it was Warner Brothers included it on the Alice Cooper boxset-right around the same time,and they wouldn't liscense it. The 1973:Take Two is the only place I know of with the 45 edit of Steely Dan's "Do It Again".(MUCH better!!)

 

[hornet61]

Good God, how could we all have overlooked Rhino's "Have A Nice Day" series? Single edits and mixes all the way through. Bonus tracks on CD versus cassette. Just last year I saw several brand-new copies, still unopened, at Amoeba Records (their San Francisco location near Golden Gate Park). Reasonably priced, too. I picked up about a half dozen different volumes.

??? Errrr....NO.There's a few 45 versions/edits scattered about the set,but MOST of them are the LP versions.My ONLY problem with the set.Same goes for the soul set DIDN'T IT BLOW YOUR MIND.----GREAT,GREAT stuff,but if you buy 'em looking for the edits,you'll be disappointed.---If you're looking for a series WITH 45 versions/edits,go for the Time-Life Sounds Of The Seventies series.Story is the producers went out of their way to use 45 versions.The only one (that I know of...) that they DIDN'T get was the 45 of Alice Cooper's "School's Out" on Sounds Of The Seventies:1972.--And the only reason they didn't get it was Warner Brothers included it on the Alice Cooper boxset-right around the same time,and they wouldn't liscense it. The 1973:Take Two is the only place I know of with the 45 edit of Steely Dan's "Do It Again".(MUCH better!!)

If edits is not the issue, the "Have a Nice Day" and "Didn't It Blow Your Mind" are about 50% Top Ten and 50 other, good source for some hard to find stuff...that mix i quoted, varies from cd -cd there are close to 30 volumes in each series....my only knock is that there could be more that 12 songs per CD...but again,that forces you to buy more cd's.

 

[oldies76]

Or the Billboard Hits CD's.....Only 10 or 12 songs per CD, like Hornet mentioned. The "Have A Nice Day" 70's CD's are good too. Some one hit wonders and lower charters on them.."Run Joey Run", is a great example!

 

[hornet61]

The most incredible rare records series..series is "Hey look What I found" volumes, over 30 I believe...the quality is not great, mostly mono, but Oh My Gosh, the rarest of the rare. Please keep in mind theses are the really rare stuff,tons of competing versions (not necessarily covers), usally about 6-8 hits and the the bottom 80-100. This is for (collectors only of the bottom half) of the charts
Here is a example: Volume 13
1. The Ballad of Davy Crockett (The Voices of Walter Schumann)
2. I'm Walkin' (Larry Storch)
3. Lonesome Heart (Tommy Britt)
4. Where The Rio De Rosa Flows (Ken Copeland)
5. Journey To Love (Al Martino)
6. Good Deal, Lucille (Jack Scott)
7. Sealed With A Kiss (The Four Voices)
8. War Paint (The Brooks Brothers)
9. Rockin' Johnny Home (The Texans)
10. Ridin' The Wind (The Tornadoes)
11. Six Days On The Road (Dave Dudley)
12. Milord (Bobby Darin)
13. Come See About Me (Nella Dodds)
14. The Girl On The Billboard (Del Reeves)
15. I Hear You Say (I Love You Baby) (Andy Kim)
16. Dedicated Follower Of Fashion (The Kinks)
17. Mr Success (Bobby Harris)
18. Ride, Ride, Ride (Brenda Lee)
19. Hello Josephine (Jerry Jaye)
20. Soul Meeting (Soul Clan)
21. Just For Tonight (The Chiffons)
22. Kay (John Wesley Ryles I)
23. Those Were The Days (Caroll O'Connor & Jean Stapleton As The Bunkers)
24. The Telephone Call (Tina & Daddy (George Jones))
25. No Charge (Tina & Mommy (Tammy Wynette))
26. Somebody's Knockin' (Terri Gibbs)
27. Sam & Dave Medley (Stars on 45)

Hey Look What I Found Volume 2 :
1. Billy - Kathy Linden (1958) 2. Big Name Button - The Royal Teens (1958) 3. Crazy Eyes For You - Bobby Hamilton (1958) 4. White Bucks & Saddle Shoes - Bobby Pedrick Jr (1958) 5. The Little Space Girl - Jesse Lee Turner (1959) 6. Cry - The Knightsbridge Strings (1959) 7. Boogie Bear - Boyd Bennett (1959) 8. Old Shep - Ralph DeMarco (1959) 9. Terry - Leigh Bell & the Chimes (1960) 10. How Will It End - Barry Darvel (1960) 11. Summer Set - Monty Kelly (1960) 12. Lost Love - H B Barnum (1961) 13. What Am I Gonna Do - Jimmy Clanton (1961) 14. My Kind of Girl - Matt Monro (1961) 15. Dedicated to the Songs I Love - The Three Friends (1961) 16.Johnny Willow - Fred Darian (1961) 17. Milk & Honey - Eddie Fisher (1962) 18. Feelin' No Pain - Paul Evans (1962) 19. Bonnie Do - Johnny Cooper (1963) 20. Don't Think About Paula - Dickie Lee (1963) 21. Summer's Comin' - Kirby St Romain (1963) 22. Cowboy Boots - Dave Dudley (1963) 23. Southtown USA - The Dixiebelles (1964) 24. If You Want This Love - Sonny Knight (1964) 25. You're Nobody Until Somebody Loves You - Dean Martin (1964) 26. I Want My Baby Back - Jimmy Cross (1965) 27. What's It Gonna Be? - Dusty Springfield (1967

 

[Silkie]

Hornet, you have enough material in that paragraph to cover lots of threads on the 50/60s board. Good stuff.