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Harvard wants the WBZ Complex

Heh. Why don't they just buy the rest of Eastern Mass. while they're at it! I mean jeez with a $34 BILLION endowment..
 
WBIMDJ said:
Heh. Why don't they just buy the rest of Eastern Mass. while they're at it! I mean jeez with a $34 BILLION endowment..

Then that would mean they were 'Imperialists,' and no America-hating, Liberal university like Harvard could stomach an association like that ;D
 
ChrisNH said:
WBIMDJ said:
Heh. Why don't they just buy the rest of Eastern Mass. while they're at it! I mean jeez with a $34 BILLION endowment..

Then that would mean they were 'Imperialists,' and no America-hating, Liberal university like Harvard could stomach an association like that ;D

Documented proof that they're "America-hating," wingnut moron. What's your problem with the First Amendment?
 
>>Then that would mean they were 'Imperialists,' and no America-hating, Liberal >>university like Harvard could stomach an association like that

>Documented proof that they're "America-hating," wingnut moron. What's your >problem with the First Amendment?
>
I think he was kidding, wasn't he?
 
I would imagine that besides the obvious (cost) there are three, possibly four, main sticking points:

FIRST: where is the aux tower going to go? If Harvard buys the land, I'd be flabbergasted if they allowed the tower...and the necessary field around it for a ground system...to remain there. Granted the tower is a third-level aux (WBZ already has a backup transmitter at the main Hull site) but it'd be "bad business" for WBZ to give up the SFR tower; if Hull ever gets hit with a really bad Nor'Easter or regular hurricane...a very distinct possibility every year...then the SFR is the only way they stay on the air. I don't know enough about AM engineering to know if it's possible for WBZ to diplex the 10kW 1030 backup signal onto another nearby AM facility (hey Bob - wanna make some money renting out WJIB's tower??? ;D ). Does an aux AM facility still have to meet the NIF rules, though...I wonder what it'd take from the 740 tower to cover all of Boston proper?

I can't imagine WBZ building a new tower anyone near enough to Boston to be worth the hassle...even with Harvard paying the bill, the political fight with the local zoning board could take decades. Look at WUNR's site in Newton!

SECOND: what about the helicopter landing pad? I imagine if a new building for WBZ is constructed from scratch, this is less a concern and more just something to include in the plans. But if WBZ has to retrofit an existing structure, it could be a real problem.

THIRD: accessibility. Right now it's really easy for guests and other VIP's to get to WBZ, and there's plenty of parking. Again, with a new facility that might not be a really big issue...but even with SFR's traffic, you have to admit it's a lot easier to get to and park at WBZ than many other stations.

The fourth issue is less an issue and more just a hassle: STL path. Right now that aux tower makes a real handy place to put their STL TX dish. Other locations might not have that luxury...but there's always options in this regard.

BTW, what, if anything, would this mean for the studios of WBMX and WBCN/WODS/WZLX?
 
WBZ could make out quite nicely, if they were to sell the property to Harvard.
The WBZ facility there is not the "highest and best use" for that land. The proceeds
from such a sale could finance a move to other facilities further from Boston proper.
(much like Emerson College selling off their prime Back Bay real estate to finance their
move to more appropriate facilities downtown).

A helicopter pad takes up very little room - even easier to accomplish in a less
densely populated area, with less air traffic. A backup transmitter could utilize an existing
tower that could cover Boston proper (maybe the WXKS tower in Medford?) with a fairly
low power signal. As it would see extremely limited use, licensing should not be a major problem...

Forgetting the politics, as to selling the land to Harvard in particular, it could be a sound
economic move for WBZ, and a chance to design a state of the art facility from the ground up...
 
aaronread said:
BTW, what, if anything, would this mean for the studios of WBMX and WBCN/WODS/WZLX?

Who owns the 'BMX building?

It would make sense that if a new complex is built, CBS would design for it to house all of their properties in one locale.
 
WBZ could make out quite nicely
And the city does not: that's quite a property tax bill to lose!

The way things are going at CBS corporate they may exit Boston, deciding to move to an out-of-town industrial park and take over a vacant building for a tax break.
 
The way things are going at CBS corporate they may exit Boston, deciding to move to an out-of-town industrial park and take over a vacant building for a tax break.

Are the City of Boston's tax rates so dramatically different from surrounding towns? I find it hard to believe they'd be so substantial as to be the deciding factor in a move, although if anything one would think ritzy towns like Brookline, Cambridge and Newton are even more expensive than Boston.

It would make sense that if a new complex is built, CBS would design for it to house all of their properties in one locale.

All things being equal, I'd agree with you...but they're not equal in this case: CBS just invested a decent wad of cash in moving WBCN and WZLX into the WODS building; I doubt there's enough room in there for WBZ-AM in there now, much less WBZ-TV and it makes little sense to separate the AM and TV (and lose the shared news resources). But by the same token, I can't believe CBS is interested in taking WODS, WBCN and WZLX and moving them again so soon; I have to think that would cost more money than it would save.

On the other hand...you just never know what politics and cost/benefit ratios are going on behind the scenes.
 
aaronread said:
FIRST: where is the aux tower going to go? If Harvard buys the land, I'd be flabbergasted if they allowed the tower...and the necessary field around it for a ground system...to remain there. Granted the tower is a third-level aux (WBZ already has a backup transmitter at the main Hull site) but it'd be "bad business" for WBZ to give up the SFR tower; if Hull ever gets hit with a really bad Nor'Easter or regular hurricane...a very distinct possibility every year...then the SFR is the only way they stay on the air.

A curiosity left over from WBZ's move from Millis to Hull in 1940--68 years ago--adds an interesting wrinkle to the aux story. AFAIK, the FCC rules for aux signals not co-located with the main is that certain contours must be completely contained within the corresponding contours of the main. For WBZ, this must include the 0.5 mV/m groundwave contour as well as others. The Hull site borders open water and back in 1940, GPS was about half a century away from being invented. Heck, any kind of a man-made satellite existed only in science fiction. Also, WBZ was a Class IA, so the need for pattern augmentations just didn't exist. As a result, WBZ's main pattern shows an inverse-distance signal of 0 along the 90-degree (due east) radial. That's a purely theoretical value but it means that a new aux not at the Hull site would be limited to a power of zero! Ridiculous, you say? Nowadays, measuring the actual radiation to the east of Hull would be no problem; use a boat; with GPS, you could easily determine your location within a few meters. So establishing the augmented field along a bunch of radials would be duck soup. But would the FCC allow WBZ to augment its pattern 68 years after it started using the Hull facility? My guess is yes--but only after a small hassle. And there are more severe implications about a replacement aux facility for WBZ; see below.

The following story is true and provides an example of how picky the FCC can be about really unimportant nonsense. WFAN and WCBS recently rebuilt their auxiliary facilities at their diplexed main site off City Island in the Bronx. The new aux tower is taller than its predecessor but considerably shorter than the main tower. Both stations wanted to run 35 kW day and night from the new aux tower, whereas they had run only 25 kW from the old aux. Well, you say, "how could THAT be any problem?" Both stations are former IAs, what station could possibly require protection? Yet, when the aux facilities were licensed, WCBS's night power was limited to 26 kW. The reason, it turns out, is WAMG, which didn't even exist until sometime in the 1990s. You see, the high-angle skywave from the auxiliary tower is greater than that from the main tower, which is 207 degrees at 880. So when WCBS is using the aux tower (say, during maintenance of the main tower), it must cut its power from 35 kW to 26 kW at sunset. Since WSRO is a daytimer that requires no protection at night, WFAN has no similar restriction.

Given that there is an AM 1030 in Puerto Rico, which east as well as south of Boston, I suspect that WBZ might have to build an aux facility with a two tower DA to more-or-less replicate the main pattern. The most obvious site for such an operation would be the WEZE site at Wellington Circle. The two towers are on the necessary east-west line but, at 1030, are too widely spaced to synthesize a cardioid pattern like WBZ's (a three-leaf clover, maybe--but not a cardioid). Adding a tower 1/3 of the way between WEZE's existing pair would allow synthesis of an almost exact replica of WBZ's existing pattern. WEZE's towers are tall enough to be quite efficient at 1030; in fact, some magic with top-loading might even enable the site to be licensed as an alternate main.
 
MarcB said:
Harvard wants to buy the WBZ Complex on Soldiers Field Road for a major expansion project.

http://www.boston.com/business/arti...with_harvard_university/?p1=email_to_a_friend

"If we should get married, we'll get married," Piette said. "Any deal we do with Harvard must benefit this business, because we're very happy here." -Ed Piette.

TRANSLATION: You can have the whole thing, but you'll have to pay us for it.

When this deal happens, it will be a very dark day for broadcast history and in the Boston TV landscape.
 
Garrett said:
When this deal happens, it will be a very dark day for broadcast history and in the Boston TV landscape.

How so?

Look, I worked in that building and lived through its most recent major renovation. It's an old building, with a layout that's been modified so many times over the years that there's nothing left of the original 1947-48 design. It's certainly not designed the way anyone would design a radio-TV complex today, and the age of the structure makes it a challenge to update. If I'm Ed Piette and I can get Harvard to pay for a brand-new building designed from the ground up for WBZ's current needs, I'd be a fool not to take the offer. I don't think there are many of us who've toiled at 1170 SFR over the years who have much sentimental feeling for the building itself. It's the people who worked there who made it what it was, and they can't take that history away with a wrecking ball.
 
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