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Has 92.3 K-Rock fired Rover?

OhioMediaWatch said:
UPDATE: B&T are indeed moving to middays when Rover shows up.

And Rover will start doing shows only for the syndie markets (Rochester/Memphis) out of Oak Tree next Monday...until his reported 4/1 debut on...100.7...WMMS...whatever they're calling themselves now.

Details:

http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com/2008/02/rover-update.html

-OA/OMW



And as you reported OMW...


OMW also hears out of Oak Tree that back in Cleveland, it's been confirmed - current WMMS...er...100.7 morning show "Bob and Tom" will slide down the schedule into middays on April 1st, when Rover Takes Over morning drive...
 
When did radio become attached to which city its studios are located in? They can DRIVE to Cleveland (which is just a few minutes away) and do their stuff. Who says it has to be done in Independence? Actually they can do whatever anywhere in the country! And the listener doesn't have to know!

That's the beauty of radio! :)

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Well the last I checked Dieter (AKA Rover's Robot) decided to smash the windows out of Mush Mouth's (AKA Dumb) car that was parked outside of the Krock studio. Now I wouldn't put it past Rover to drive a car to Cleveland and claim it was sitting in Independence. But you grab a sledge hammer and try to even walk around in Independence. I give it five minutes until you run into a police cruiser. Go ahead and call me a dick but I have already forwarded the 19 Action News video to the Independence Chamber of Commerce and the police department. Rover is an ass and nothing would make me chuckle more than seeing him carted off in handcuffs for the lame crap he pulls. Half of it was fake anyways, like driving an empty cargo van around the parking lot of Cleveland's PM while it was closed and claiming his robot was inside. . .
 
Nathan Obral said:
VODood said:
DToTheJ said:
OhioMediaWatch said:
AA reported that the fine folks in the basement of Reserve Square, the one and only 19 Action News, did a story on this today...like your Mighty Blog(tm), they're reporting an April start date for Rover on 'MMS.

Here's video of the report:
http://www.woio.com/Global/SearchResults.asp?vendor=wss&qu=rover
(click the video titled, "Red Rover, Red Rover Send WMMS Right Over")

Well it is no surprise that 19 Action News are the one's reporting this story. Rover has ties to them as he used to do Browns pregame commentary from the parking lot of the stadium. I also suspect (this is just my speculation) that he obtained the photos of attempted murderer Asa Coon from someone there that were posted to his website. NOW: Onto the fun. So if Rover is going to WMMS this is going to be golden! First of all I have to admit I listened to every second of his show for the first year after Howard Stern quit CBS. Rover has bashed every DJ over at WMMS his entire career here in Cleveland. I will be interested in what he will have to say about Maxwell once they are both employed by the same company. The same goes for WTAM's Mike Trivasano. Also WMMS is located in Independance, Ohio (ok I am sure you all know that), but I want to see him have some guy take a sledge hammer to a car there or drop his pants and sit on a bucket of lit fireworks. Better yet I will give him credit if he can get away with someone driving through Independence on I77S doing 72MPH. Or possibly drive past the police station there not wearing a seatbelt and talking on a cell phone. Independence police are no joke, they have nothing better to do than write tickets and almost rival Linndale. So if the doggy is going to the Oak Tree Building he's in for some neutering. Also I have two words for Clear Channel: Free FM. It's been tried. Possibly if Rover's ratings numbers are what he claims they are he might be able to carry the station on his back. Then again for a half a million dollars I would volunteer to be locked in a jail cell with my ex wife, so I guess anything is possible. . .


CBS tried FREE-FM. It failed. All of those stations are done.

FM Talk CAN work. CBS just didn't do it right.

$500k??? Where is that written?? I can't believe Shane (I refuse to call him "Rover") is getting "Lanigan money".

Free FM was a failure right from the second they announced the branding. Placing DLR as one of their morning hosts, stripping most of the stations of heritage and branding (all but KLSX in Los Angeles have reverted back), and posturing as saying they could survive Stern's departure was an exercise in ineptitue. Joel Hollander will forever be tainted with that move.

I guess in order for WMMS to save itself, it has to be programmed with a majority of talk programming. And the spoken word format CAN work - either in a "hot talk" sense, or the WPGB conservatalk sense. But CBS' botchery of the format (ex: WJFK-FM, which has had on their lineup hosts such as G. Gordon Liddy, Jay Severin and Bill O' Reilly - totally incompatible to a hot talk format - over the past fifteen years!) has given a sense that it can't work. Hot talk CAN. Just don't hire Joel Hollander.

-nate81 aka Myron-

P.S.: I doubt that Rover will, say, "kiss up" to Maxwell and Triv, seeing as how they are no longer competitors but collegues. If anything, those three will be trade barbs at each other on the air to fuel a "rivalry," blah blah. Stop if you've heard that before.
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Nathan - Maxwell fired the first shots on behalf of Rover Yesterday. He basically started kissing Rover's ass and then slamming Opie and Anthony. O+A played the audio on thier show today. I told you guys this was GOLDEN. Rover will most likely follow suit to the ass kissing sausage fest, and I have no doubt Triv and others at CC will also. Clear Channel is bad news. They did thier best to destroy Howard Stern and only managed to annoy him to get sirius (and punt!). There is a guy on WTAM named Bob France who runs a great show from 9-noon. I tried to post something about this move 4 times to WTAM's message board and the "previewed post" has been declined every time. I also called his show and was left on hold for two hours. Haxwell is the same way, I called his show and he answered then hung up on me but my call was never aired. This after I was put on hold and heard "Maxwell your on the air". I guess I am going to have to start recording my own phone calls. The Cleveland radio revolution has begun! After five years of slamming other hosts in Cleveland I will bet $50 Rover begins "making friends" with those same people. It it truely disgusting what is going on now. It just proves that these guys are a bunch of money hungry hacks devoid of dignity or decentcy. . . I mean if your going to broadcast on a 10000 watt blowtorch you should be able to back up your words. . .
 
Anyone who takes radio "feuds" as reality...well, is naive, at any rate.

Does Triv really not like either Bob Frantz or Kevin Keane? Possibly. Maybe not. He plays it up for material. They play up the return volleys for material. It's entertainment, folks...and the "inter-station feuds" are as oild a ratings gimmick as the hills.

Re: Rover and Maxwell - unless they get into some sort of personal dispute after Rover moves over there, all either man will really care about is if WMMS gets ratings, and they get bucks.

The "ROVER WILL NEVER WORK WITH MAXWELL!" line is a laugh line...a story line for a show, and nothing more.

BTW, to clarify my earlier item: We're hearing that Rover will, as expected, occupy a production/spare studio at Oak Tree that's being retrofitted for the show's needs. Of course, until April, WMMSer100.7's main studio is still needed to run B&T, even off the bird.

Oh, and for any stragglers on the "Listening Party" board...I am not John Gorman! :D

-OA/OMW
 
OhioMediaWatch said:
Anyone who takes radio "feuds" as reality...well, is naive, at any rate.

Does Triv really not like either Bob Frantz or Kevin Keane? Possibly. Maybe not. He plays it up for material. They play up the return volleys for material. It's entertainment, folks...and the "inter-station feuds" are as oild a ratings gimmick as the hills.

Re: Rover and Maxwell - unless they get into some sort of personal dispute after Rover moves over there, all either man will really care about is if WMMS gets ratings, and they get bucks.

The "ROVER WILL NEVER WORK WITH MAXWELL!" line is a laugh line...a story line for a show, and nothing more.

BTW, to clarify my earlier item: We're hearing that Rover will, as expected, occupy a production/spare studio at Oak Tree that's being retrofitted for the show's needs. Of course, until April, WMMSer100.7's main studio is still needed to run B&T, even off the bird.

Oh, and for any stragglers on the "Listening Party" board...I am not John Gorman! :D

-OA/OMW

look man if i said "OMW sucks because of this factor"
, then all of the sudden I am your buddy. Then radio should just be canceled. Because it is useless. . . Radio is not a soap opera, nor is the genre which it is geared (ask Michael Savage). Now if this is the fact I am willing to dump ALL radio and start contacting thier advertisers. I mean hell I can get a 12" TV and watch some bullshit. . .
 
I believe this proves that Bo at MMS "The buzzard" is not very bright. He doubled Rovers offer from CBS and yet Rover never really pulled over a 3.5. Also bringing his group of no talents is just going to bring the greastest rock station ever to its all time low.
 
lingerlinger said:
OhioMediaWatch said:
Anyone who takes radio "feuds" as reality...well, is naive, at any rate.

Does Triv really not like either Bob Frantz or Kevin Keane? Possibly. Maybe not. He plays it up for material. They play up the return volleys for material. It's entertainment, folks...and the "inter-station feuds" are as oild a ratings gimmick as the hills.

Re: Rover and Maxwell - unless they get into some sort of personal dispute after Rover moves over there, all either man will really care about is if WMMS gets ratings, and they get bucks.

The "ROVER WILL NEVER WORK WITH MAXWELL!" line is a laugh line...a story line for a show, and nothing more.

BTW, to clarify my earlier item: We're hearing that Rover will, as expected, occupy a production/spare studio at Oak Tree that's being retrofitted for the show's needs. Of course, until April, WMMSer100.7's main studio is still needed to run B&T, even off the bird.

Oh, and for any stragglers on the "Listening Party" board...I am not John Gorman! :D

-OA/OMW

look man if i said "OMW sucks because of this factor"
, then all of the sudden I am your buddy. Then radio should just be canceled. Because it is useless. . . Radio is not a soap opera, nor is the genre which it is geared (ask Michael Savage). Now if this is the fact I am willing to dump ALL radio and start contacting thier advertisers. I mean hell I can get a 12" TV and watch some bullshit. . .




"lingerlinger" have you ever worked in radio? First and foremost it's a business. Has beens since the day Marconi invented it. Secondly, radio is an "entertainment medium", meaning whether it be music or talk it's there to entertain a certain demographic. Radio is targeted.

I've been in this BUSINESS for 17 years. When I started out I thought radio was "art". It is art, but not to the extent I originally thought. Gotta make money.

And OMW is correct. If you think Rover or Maxwell or Triv actually dislikes each other you really have no clue. Now, they may not, but they all now work together. It's called professionalism. That's not to say one isn't jealous of the other due to ratings or salary - because that is a reality. But that's it.

I was at a TalenTrak seminar in Cleveland Sept 2005. Shane was the guest speaker. He's nothing like you hear on the radio. Especially not in front of his peers.

When the "on air" light goes on many broadcasters become someone else. Lanigan is very quiet and keeps to himself when the mic is off. When the mic goes on it's like he comes to life.


And yes, radio CAN be a soap opera. Soap opera's are ENTERTAINMENT. The radio serials of the 30s/40s/50s were just that. Different content than today, same premise.

"lingerlinger" you need to get a grip on the reality of broadcasting.
 
Dean14 said:
I believe this proves that Bo at MMS "The buzzard" is not very bright. He doubled Rovers offer from CBS and yet Rover never really pulled over a 3.5. Also bringing his group of no talents is just going to bring the greastest rock station ever to its all time low.


That 3.5 is 12plus. Means nothing. Shane's primary target is M18-34.
 
lingerlinger said:
Go ahead and call me a dick but I have already forwarded the 19 Action News video to the Independence Chamber of Commerce and the police department. Rover is an ass and nothing would make me chuckle more than seeing him carted off in handcuffs for the lame crap he pulls. Half of it was fake anyways, like driving an empty cargo van around the parking lot of Cleveland's PM while it was closed and claiming his robot was inside. . .

Nah I won't call you that word. I will say you reallly need a life (or a job) if you're doing that. I'm sure the Independence Police Department has Rover fans on the force. I'm sure they are aware that the WMMS studios are in their town.

Of course half of it is fake. That's the beauty of radio... it's theater of the mind! Anyone who works in the industry can tell you that!

If Rover produces "lame crap" then what do you produce that is better than him?
 
If the numbers I've seen are any indication, Mr. French and company do MUCH better than a 3.5 in the show's target demo - basically young men.

Again, I'm no Rover fan or apologist...I'm not a target listener, and can't really listen to the show for more than a couple of minutes without running away from the radio screaming.

:D

I'm not saying there aren't radio personalities who don't like each other. And sometimes they express that dislike on the radio.

But it's all amp'ed up for on-air fodder. Pretty much every bit of it. The like or dislike of another radio station's personality (re: Rover and Maxwell) is the absolute LAST factor in a life-changing, career-altering decision like Mr. French has just made.

What's the biggest factor?

Well, if you believe the folks at Reserve Square (and I realize that's a stretch), there are roughly 500,000 of those factors floating into Mr. French's bank account.

-OA/OMW
 
Please, no offense guys, but go back and look at the 18-34 numbers for shane back when he was up against stern. He barely cracked a 9 share while stern was routinely over 20+. His numbers in the demo finally began to go up in the final year of stern as stern gave up and talked incessantly about sirius and his show became a snoozer. Then when stern was gone and with wmms putting on nothing but crap with the 2 time failure of bob & tom in cleveland, there was nothing else for the average 18-34 white male to listen to. You think they were going to listen to that snorefest, mudd over at ncx?

Shane went to chicago and into all those other markets and failed. The only reason he's still on in memphis and rochester is because of his contract with them. The cbs stations all pulled out because they could, with the way the contract was written. wxrk inhereted the chicago contract that had no non-compete to it (non-competes are unenforceable in illinois, look it up), because cleveland was the only cbs station that was getting ratings with him. shane knew this and used it to his advantage in negotiating over there at cbs. They made him a final offer, shane balked then walked. With a month left on his contract, cbs pulled the plug and enforced a gag on him until his contract is done; meanwhile they put o&a on in his place.

Now, shane is $500k a year richer with a show that will cost us almost as much as lanigan to produce, all the while he's banging duji on the side. Just ask him, they've been living together all along. Oops! We're not supposed to know that are we over here? I've got news for you shane, some of us used to work with you over there. We know everything. Your coming over here is going to screw up what little enthusiasm is left in this building. Great, thanks.

Hey shane, how do you think all of us fellow oaktree'ers feel now that we know your show is costing us nearly a million a year? Looks like your new pal triv isnt too pleased by the news. What are you going to do now that cbs has put o&a on in your old slot? Remember when you were up against stern and you barely cracked a 9 share 18-34?

Oh, what a tangled web we weave.
 
Shanenemisis said:
Please, no offense guys, but go back and look at the 18-34 numbers for shane back when he was up against stern. He barely cracked a 9 share while stern was routinely over 20+. His numbers in the demo finally began to go up in the final year of stern as stern gave up and talked incessantly about sirius and his show became a snoozer. Then when stern was gone and with wmms putting on nothing but crap with the 2 time failure of bob & tom in cleveland, there was nothing else for the average 18-34 white male to listen to. You think they were going to listen to that snorefest, mudd over at ncx?

Shane went to chicago and into all those other markets and failed. The only reason he's still on in memphis and rochester is because of his contract with them. The cbs stations all pulled out because they could, with the way the contract was written. wxrk inhereted the chicago contract that had no non-compete to it (non-competes are unenforceable in illinois, look it up), because cleveland was the only cbs station that was getting ratings with him. shane knew this and used it to his advantage in negotiating over there at cbs. They made him a final offer, shane balked then walked. With a month left on his contract, cbs pulled the plug and enforced a gag on him until his contract is done; meanwhile they put o&a on in his place.

Now, shane is $500k a year richer with a show that will cost us almost as much as lanigan to produce, all the while he's banging duji on the side. Just ask him, they've been living together all along. Oops! We're not supposed to know that are we over here? I've got news for you shane, some of us used to work with you over there. We know everything. Your coming over here is going to screw up what little enthusiasm is left in this building. Great, thanks.

Hey shane, how do you think all of us fellow oaktree'ers feel now that we know your show is costing us nearly a million a year? Looks like your new pal triv isnt too pleased by the news. What are you going to do now that cbs has put o&a on in your old slot? Remember when you were up against stern and you barely cracked a 9 share 18-34?

Oh, what a tangled web we weave.


A 9 share is still pretty freakin' good. Where was Shane in relation to Stern? #2? Not bad. Stern is another animal. As is Lanigan locally. Stern and Lanigan went head to head for years swapping #1 positions. So what does that mean?

Look around the country at morning shows in like size markets that target M18-34. I bet a 9 share is extremely respectable. Ultimately it's what the Sales staff does with the 9 share, or any numbers. I've seen morning shows with less ratings sell more ads and make more money. Gotta have a sales staff that knows the target demo AND knows the clients that want to target that demo - then put them together.


BTW, Ohio is a right to work state, therefore a non-compete is null and void, unless the talent is being paid a severance package. No pay? Non-compete is worthless.


Only cost to produce Lanigan's show is Lanigan, Malone and Kullick's salaries, plus the producer. Hell, Lanigan runs his own board. Won't let anyone else do it. So the producer is just a guest booker, and all guests still need JL's approval.
 
The phrase "barely cracking a 9 share" is kinda funny in 2008...when just about any show would KILL to have a 9 share in its target demo.

Against Stern? Sure. Howard was a different beast. Who gets 20 shares now? (At least some of the CBS Radio sales materials I've been forwarded claim RMG got a "31 share" in at least one demo, but I threw that out like an Olympic judge throwing out the highest and lowest scores. :D)

The upshot, as VODood suggests, is that "barely cracking a 9 share" in demo is very, very, very saleable.

Will Mr. French duplicate those numbers at 100.7? Well, there is the prospect that he has to overcome his former station-mates for the 18-34 audience, O&A on in AM drive. CC is probably betting that nationwide, CBS continues to slowly decouple itself from O&A, who've been dropped in something like 6 major markets in the past few months. The latest? FM talk stalwart WJFK/Washington DC (home of WW1's Don & Mike), which just slotted a local midday show in place of the delayed O&A show.

Another question, as I'm not really all that familiar with the RMG narrative (to put it mildly): what's the big deal about the rumor that Rover and Duji are supposedly living together/married/etc.? Do they deny it on the show? Who cares, really, aside from those who feel RMG is a "part of their life"? I don't get it.

-OA/OMW
 
OhioMediaWatch said:
CC is probably betting that nationwide, CBS continues to slowly decouple itself from O&A, who've been dropped in something like 6 major markets in the past few months.
Cant argue with you much there, OMW. I will add that cbs has dropped o&a in markets where it didnt work or get any ratings. In cleveland, o&a have worked both times theyve been on. The first time back when i worked there, o&a were live in pm drive and had significant ratings, went to #1 overall, even beat trivisano; now they were again getting pretty good ratings with a show that was tape delayed.

You said a show would kill to have a 9 share in their target demo? Well, o&a were well over a 10 share (#2 behind sam sylk over at wenz) in their target demo (not just men, but persons) in the most recent book. Why would cbs decouple themselves from that? Theyve beaten maxwell in their target demo twice in the last 4 books, which is something Maxwell hasnt been too happy about here.

I agree that cc may be looking to move away from o&a in the markets where it doesnt work. But o&a have consistantly worked in cleveland, so there is no guarantee that they will be dropped over there. This was a very risky and expensive move by our management. If o&a dont go away, theres no guarantee that shane will be able to duplicate here, what he did over there.

Btw, the "31 share" claim in the cbs sales pieces? That was for the male portion of the target demo, not persons. Again, something that stern did regularly, and shane took over when stern left cbs. But now with shane going up against o&a? Theres only so many 18-34 year olds to go around that will listen to that kind of radio. You say a 9 share is very, very saleable which may be true, but with a show that costs nearly a million to put on, the profit margin just crashed. Its a lot of money. We're going to need every little bit we can get in the ratings to make shane a worthwhile gamble. Having him up against o&a now, isnt going to help any.
 
Rover making $500,000? I could only see CC paying that much if they planned on syndicating him to other markets. So what if he crashed and burned at other CBS stations, figure out what went wrong and fix it, even if it means dumping some of the "cast of characters". I'm a not a fan of Rover at all [or Stern or O&A]; it's too easy to take the low road and do "toilet humour" and talk about tits & ass, which basically takes no effort at all, but doing the same schtick day after day, week after week gets boring real fast......at least to me. And how in the hell does it cost a million a year to put on his show....does he have a microphone made out of gold that he is talking into? Unless he's paying his stooges some big bucks!
 
VODood said:
BTW, Ohio is a right to work state, therefore a non-compete is null and void, unless the talent is being paid a severance package. No pay? Non-compete is worthless.

Hi there guys, thought I'd jump in here to correct a couple misconceptions about this topic. The above is a bit confusing, as one doesn't have anything to do with the other. The belief that it does has been a rampant error of fact in the radio biz in Cleveland for some time.

First of all, Ohio is not a "Right to Work" state. Ohio is an "At-Will" employment state. You can see the Right to Work states here: http://www.nrtwc.org/i/usmap.png

For some reason, the belief that Ohio is a right to work state has been mentioned in radio circles - however it is not true. There have been several Bills proposed in Ohio's Congress to pass a Right to Work laws going as far back as 1958, however they've always been soundly crushed due to the proliferation of Unions and their influence throughout the state. Furthermore, you have to understand that Right to Work has nothing to do with "non-competes". Right to Work laws give prospective employees the right to work in a state without being forced to join a union. That is essentially it.

You can read about the efforts to make Ohio a Right to Work state here: http://www.nrtwc.org/states/oh.htm


Non-competes are a completely different animal. A number of states have passed legislation that makes it illegal to restrict employment, specifically via non-competes in broadcasting. Illinois is indeed one of those states. They passed "Public Act 92-0496" in 1992 that says the following,

"No broadcasting industry employer may require in an employment contract that an employee or prospective employee refrain from obtaining employment in a specific geographic area for a specific period of time after termination of employment with that broadcasting industry employer"
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/employ/non-compete-03.htm

If that previous poster is correct and Rover's previous contract was through the Chicago station and signed in Illinois, then there will indeed be no non-compete clause attached to it. If KRock inherited the contract, then they were saddle with all terms and conditions of it.

Ohio law can be very tricky with regards to non-competes. The Ohio Supreme Court has ruled that non-competes are justifiable in certain cases. However Ohio has a "Blue Pencil Rule" that allows the Court to re-write the terms of the non-compete if it is too broadly written or overly restictive. It's usually done on a case by case basis and even depends on the Judge and the Court hearing the case.


"courts in Ohio recognized the validity of agreements that restrict competition by an ex-employee if they contain reasonable geographical and temporal restrictions"

"the Ohio Supreme Court held that continued at-will employment was sufficient consideration to support a non-competition agreement. That is, since the employer has the right to terminate an employee at any time"

"an employer can require non-competition agreements from all of its employees and can terminate, without legal liability, those employees who refuse to sign."

http://www.myemploymentlawyer.com/Ohio-non-competition-law-article-cases.htm


That does not mean that all non-competes will stand up in Ohio. It comes down to a case-by-case basis, depending on how broadly or over restrictive the clause is written and the Judge and Court that is hearing it. It is believed that a challenge by a broadcaster to their non-compete clause can be successful in Ohio, however by the time it is defeated, the term of the non-compete will have most likely been met since most Courts will issue an injunction enforcing the clause until the matter is resolved.

This is moot anyhow, if Rover's contract was indeed signed in Illinois.
 
Shanenemisis said:
You said a show would kill to have a 9 share in their target demo? Well, o&a were well over a 10 share (#2 behind sam sylk over at wenz) in their target demo (not just men, but persons) in the most recent book. Why would cbs decouple themselves from that? Theyve beaten maxwell in their target demo twice in the last 4 books, which is something Maxwell hasnt been too happy about here.

But here's your problem in this scenario: How well O&A do in Cleveland may not matter, at all.

They are based in NYC. The CBS part of their deal is based at WXRK/92.3 "K-Rock" in that city, and they do the CBS portion of the show from that station.

Unlike Rover, they were never based in Cleveland, and their CBS part of the deal depends on the NYC station that once housed Howard Stern's show. If Cleveland becomes O&A's only major "success story", would CBS even be ABLE to only air the show on 92.3 here? I'm guessing not, for all the entanglements with the NYC flagship station and the deal with XM.

It's a moot point, for now, as the deal is still on...and I've heard no indication that WXRK was looking to dump the O&A deal. But if they did...


If o&a dont go away, theres no guarantee that shane will be able to duplicate here, what he did over there.

Oh, I fully agree with that, and stated so above. If O&A continue to "do well" in Cleveland, Rover has a problem. But he is local, and has a lot of disaffected fans WKRK is hoping against all hope stay with O&A instead of foillowing him to 100.7.

You say a 9 share is very, very saleable which may be true, but with a show that costs nearly a million to put on, the profit margin just crashed. Its a lot of money. We're going to need every little bit we can get in the ratings to make shane a worthwhile gamble. Having him up against o&a now, isnt going to help any.

All stuff I'd agree with, though I have no idea how much the entire show costs CC to bring over. 19 reported a half-million dollar salary for Rover, a figure we haven't heard from any of our sources at this time. Does Duji, the other cast members, etc. cost another half-million together? I'm guessing not.

Your speculation is very good, though it does seem to be clouded a bit by your personal animosity towards Mr. French. But these are all points that need to be made.

-OA/OMW
 
Shanenemisis said:
Btw, the "31 share" claim in the cbs sales pieces? That was for the male portion of the target demo, not persons.

I'm no fan/apologist of Rover's either, but I would like to point out that Rover pulled a 21 share with PERSONS 18-34 for Fall 2007. It's no 31 share - but a 21 share is pretty incredible nonetheless. Russ Parr and Valentine were a distant 2nd and 3rd.

Now if somone in this market were to put something on the air that was targetted at 18-34 (men or women) and were able to create a market "buzz" with said show - Rover may finally get some competition. To some extent he does win by default. There's no other local morning show that directly competes with him.

Now don't get me wrong, local does not always equate to being more entertaining...but when you can accomplish both feats as he has done (being local and having the buzz factor) then you've got a winner.
 
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