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Rustyfender
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heading into the early 80's now? Laura Nachman had a tidbit about it two weeks ago...and songs from '80 - '83 can be heard in their playlist now which I think is great.
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The HH jingles would have to be re-sung, unless CBS can pay a huge sum of $$$ to NBC to use the WCAU-FM calls. Would be nice, but I don't see it happening.
WCBS tried It, playing the 80's and 90's and It bombed. It's a fact that people want to hear a mix of early rock, r&b and motown soul from the 50's and 60's.they won't admit It, but people my age and older just don't fit into their equation. accept when they run their spots for colon cleanse.
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doowopvault said:
What WCBS are you referring to? WCBS-FM in New York City is playing 80's (hardly any 90's) along with the 60's and 70's, and they are doing very nicely, thank you.
I'm talking about when they tried that "jack" nonsense. you know, the "we play what we want" crap. we play what we want!!! yeah, right, you don't have a playlist. as soon as they cut the true oldies out, the station took a nosedive. that's why brought back the 60's.
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mcmannors
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doowopvault said:
Oh, ok. However, one big reason Jack did so poorly was because they had no air personalities. The pre-recorded Howie Cogan liners didn't cut it. They probably would have done a bit better in the ratings if they had decent jocks, even with the same music.
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Phillyradiogeek
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WOGL has been playing some 80s tracks for several months now, but their introduction has been subtle. I've heard "I'm So Excited" by the Pointer Sisters, "Private Eyes" by Hall & Oates, and a few others that escape my mind at the moment.
It does sound good to hear these songs in the mix. I find it ironic that I'm saying that, as I continue to lament the loss of the 50s and early 60s tunes, yet I appreciate that they're playlist is shifting to a later era.
It does sound good to hear these songs in the mix. I find it ironic that I'm saying that, as I continue to lament the loss of the 50s and early 60s tunes, yet I appreciate that they're playlist is shifting to a later era.
You're right philly, the ONLY place you are going to find great cuts from the 50's and early 60's is on internet radio my man. corporate radio KILLED the oldies. the same cuts being played over, and over and over again. the DJ'S on the internet are true fans of that genre and are playing from their own collection. which means they are playing from the heart. the "DJ'S " today, you could put a CD of thunderstorms and dogs howling for 4hrs, and they will play It. as long as they are in the business and getting a check, that's all that matters.
At times, you can hear 50's and 60's songs on WVLT 92.1. Their playlist is quite variable and depends on the time of day. But, they do play a lot of "real" oldies.
By the way, I find myself listening to WOGL less and less as time goes on. I just don't find the late 70's and 80's ACish music that they're mixing in to be very interesting. I didn't care for adult contemporary music when it was 1980 and I don't care for it now. I liked real pop - not light stuff. And, I still feel the same way.
By the way, I find myself listening to WOGL less and less as time goes on. I just don't find the late 70's and 80's ACish music that they're mixing in to be very interesting. I didn't care for adult contemporary music when it was 1980 and I don't care for it now. I liked real pop - not light stuff. And, I still feel the same way.
I agree, WVLT does have some good oldies programing. I've listened while I was over my friends house down on front street. but yes, the same here in regards to WOGL. mybe I'll listen on sunday for "street corner sunday" but that"s it. what is strange about WVLT, there are parts of south phila that receive It, and parts that don't. the same with WRDV in the phila subs. none of the above are corporate owned. thank god!!!
WVLT actually comes in ok at my location in Chester County, thanks to favorable topography. It's a hit and/or miss proposition with regard to what they're playing, but the inconsistency is refreshing too.
With regard to WOGL, I find that most of my listenership is now limited to the Saturday Night Dance Party (an excellent show), Sunday nights, and the occasional tune-in when there's nothing else on FM. By the way, WDAS-FM has an excellent soul oldies show on Sunday nights which takes precedence with me. They play a lot of seldom-heard R&B hits. Great show!
As for WOGL, I just don't dig the overabundance of Bee Gees and 'light' hits from the late 1970s and early 1980s. They're boring. And, it's been a gradual yet perceptible change. Does playing newer, yet lighter, music translate into younger demos? Good question. Personally, I'm in 25-44 and would much prefer to hear a psychedelic hit from 1967 or a toe-tappin' Motown song from 1964 over an easygoing (and overplayed) late 70s song from Fleetwood Mac, Linda Ronstadt, or James Taylor. :
With regard to WOGL, I find that most of my listenership is now limited to the Saturday Night Dance Party (an excellent show), Sunday nights, and the occasional tune-in when there's nothing else on FM. By the way, WDAS-FM has an excellent soul oldies show on Sunday nights which takes precedence with me. They play a lot of seldom-heard R&B hits. Great show!
As for WOGL, I just don't dig the overabundance of Bee Gees and 'light' hits from the late 1970s and early 1980s. They're boring. And, it's been a gradual yet perceptible change. Does playing newer, yet lighter, music translate into younger demos? Good question. Personally, I'm in 25-44 and would much prefer to hear a psychedelic hit from 1967 or a toe-tappin' Motown song from 1964 over an easygoing (and overplayed) late 70s song from Fleetwood Mac, Linda Ronstadt, or James Taylor. :
Thanks for the info on WDAS and their oldies show on sunday.I'll make It a point to listen. I've been receiving a great response to my oldies show on rockitradio.net [as he shamelessly self advertises] a small station in ohio e-mailed me about carrying my show. people are starving for good programs. on terrestrial radio, It comes down to cherry.
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BRNout said:WVLT actually comes in ok at my location in Chester County, thanks to favorable topography. It's a hit and/or miss proposition with regard to what they're playing, but the inconsistency is refreshing too.
With regard to WOGL, I find that most of my listenership is now limited to the Saturday Night Dance Party (an excellent show), Sunday nights, and the occasional tune-in when there's nothing else on FM. By the way, WDAS-FM has an excellent soul oldies show on Sunday nights which takes precedence with me. They play a lot of seldom-heard R&B hits. Great show!
As for WOGL, I just don't dig the overabundance of Bee Gees and 'light' hits from the late 1970s and early 1980s. They're boring. And, it's been a gradual yet perceptible change. Does playing newer, yet lighter, music translate into younger demos? Good question. Personally, I'm in 25-44 and would much prefer to hear a psychedelic hit from 1967 or a toe-tappin' Motown song from 1964 over an easygoing (and overplayed) late 70s song from Fleetwood Mac, Linda Ronstadt, or James Taylor. :
WVLT is a 'sometimes' station here in central Ocean County. But I don't have to drive too far south or west to get a good signal. Cool that it is one of only two 6Kw class A's in New Jersey, and its relatively clear position on the dial allows it to get out nicely. I like that it is independently owned, and hope it stays as eclectic as it is.
WOGL....ah, WOGL. I remember the flip from Hot Hits to Oldies on that great day in 1987, when Philly went from 2 AM oldies stations, one a daytimer (how I still miss WPGR!), to 4 oldies stations, two on FM! I think having competition made 'OGL a great station back then, but I also think the oldies market was bigger. Today, we have a 'classic hits' station, still playing a lot of Philly soul/Motown stuff, with a big chunk of stuff that Magic 103 played back in the day. I liked the old WMGK, but I don't think its songs belong on WOGL. But, I guess I'm in the minority, the PPM makes it out a BIG winner. And, lest I forget, Eduardo will tell you that you are insignificant if you are over 34! I'll be 48 next month....damn, now that's insignificant!!!
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warm590
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Yah I'm waiting for Eduardo to chime in with his I hate oldies rant,and screw anyone over 34.... ???
Fire away
warm590 ;D
Fire away
warm590 ;D
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Phillyradiogeek
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During the fall of '87 through fall '88, when the four oldies stations battled it out, I thought Solid Gold 102's take on the format was better than WOGL. OGL was extremely repetitive, with a tight playlist. 102 seemed more like the Philly top 40 stations of old, with jocks that were more "into the format" than OGL (it's no secret that the Hot Hits jocks that stayed on after the oldies flip didn't care for the music). IOQ just seemed like a hipper, more fun station than OGL. Of course, when IOQ became Q102, OGL took on some of IOQ's jocks (Holiday, Mike St. John) and that's when OGL's sound improved dramatically.
WPGR had a great sound, but being a daytimer, coupled with the colloquial playlist, just didn't attract the wholesale listeners to compete in a market with three other stations. WFIL was the old guard of the oldies stations, and they couldn't compete with the clearer sound of AM plus the novelty of the newer stations. They shouldn't have bothered with the satellie format.
WPGR had a great sound, but being a daytimer, coupled with the colloquial playlist, just didn't attract the wholesale listeners to compete in a market with three other stations. WFIL was the old guard of the oldies stations, and they couldn't compete with the clearer sound of AM plus the novelty of the newer stations. They shouldn't have bothered with the satellie format.
It would be nice to at least have the option of a true oldies station. You're right about the ageism thing. Yet, who actually listens to the radio? Teens? No. Under 25s? No.
In general, radio is skewing older and older with each passing year. My 14 year old listens to a CHR morning show, then her iPOD. That's it. Very little interest in radio. In the meantime, ask my wife how low my sales resistance is. ;D Yet, I'm apparently too old to care about. Same is true for much of what's on TV.
The ad agencies haven't got a clue. They're filled with recent college graduates who are barely potty trained. And it shows. :
In general, radio is skewing older and older with each passing year. My 14 year old listens to a CHR morning show, then her iPOD. That's it. Very little interest in radio. In the meantime, ask my wife how low my sales resistance is. ;D Yet, I'm apparently too old to care about. Same is true for much of what's on TV.
The ad agencies haven't got a clue. They're filled with recent college graduates who are barely potty trained. And it shows. :
Don..
There's lots of full 6kw Class A's in NJ. WCZT, Villas. WTKU, Ocean City. WMGQ, New Brunswick (1220w @ 525ft...way above 100 meter/ 330ft max height allowed. It's Effective Radiated Power is 6kw) WJLK, Asbury Park (1300w @ 499ft = 6kw erp) WDHA, Dover NJ has a Construction Permit to double power to 6kw erp. WBBO 106.5 Bass River 1450w@628ft), WKMK 98.5 Ocean Acres...same thing.
Radio-Locator.com is sometimes misleading in it's description of Effective Radiated Power, as some listings are power out, not "effective" power. in FM, height is everything.
WOGL is a Class B. Standard Class B is 50kw at 500 feet. They have WOGL listed at 9600 watts ERP. Do you think 98.1 can cover Pottsville PA to Pleasantville NJ (150 miles) on less than 10kw? Well it can at 1,100 feet! But it's then 50kw ERP. It also doesn't take into account the number of bays in the antenna system. Theoretically at 100% efficiency, 10kw into 2 bays = 10 kw out, but 10kw into 4 bays = 20kw out. doubling bays doubles power out, and saves energy.
There's lots of full 6kw Class A's in NJ. WCZT, Villas. WTKU, Ocean City. WMGQ, New Brunswick (1220w @ 525ft...way above 100 meter/ 330ft max height allowed. It's Effective Radiated Power is 6kw) WJLK, Asbury Park (1300w @ 499ft = 6kw erp) WDHA, Dover NJ has a Construction Permit to double power to 6kw erp. WBBO 106.5 Bass River 1450w@628ft), WKMK 98.5 Ocean Acres...same thing.
Radio-Locator.com is sometimes misleading in it's description of Effective Radiated Power, as some listings are power out, not "effective" power. in FM, height is everything.
WOGL is a Class B. Standard Class B is 50kw at 500 feet. They have WOGL listed at 9600 watts ERP. Do you think 98.1 can cover Pottsville PA to Pleasantville NJ (150 miles) on less than 10kw? Well it can at 1,100 feet! But it's then 50kw ERP. It also doesn't take into account the number of bays in the antenna system. Theoretically at 100% efficiency, 10kw into 2 bays = 10 kw out, but 10kw into 4 bays = 20kw out. doubling bays doubles power out, and saves energy.
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