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Has Jack gone too far?

robster2001

robster2001

New York and Chicago now know Jack...

Infinity radio has blown up two classic Oldies stations -- CBS-FM/New York and Magic 104.3/Chicago -- and turned them into just another pair of Jacks, while streaming their old formats on the Internet.

Is any market safe from the latest flavor-of-the-month format?

And what does the end of CBS-FM signal for the Oldies format -- it basically started on CBS-FM, after all...?
 
> New York and Chicago now know Jack...
>
> Infinity radio has blown up two classic Oldies stations --
> CBS-FM/New York and Magic 104.3/Chicago -- and turned them
> into just another pair of Jacks, while streaming their old
> formats on the Internet.
>
> Is any market safe from the latest flavor-of-the-month
> format?
>
> And what does the end of CBS-FM signal for the Oldies format
> -- it basically started on CBS-FM, after all...?
>

And your point is? Infinity can play what they want (no joke intended to the Jack format). You are looking at evolution in formats. If you were around to see this happen to Easy Listening - once a huge format nationwide - now nothing...and the several times it has happened to CHR - then you notice that its pretty clear that oldies as a viable format based on what it was (65-70ish) or even worse, 50's and 60's oldies is g-o-n-e (CHR is an exception since it plays "current" music - and can reinvent itself).

Formats in general don't disappear in a month or two. So, yes there will be operators who hang on for a while - proclaiming that CC and Infinity and the rest are to stupid to see the error in their ways - but this is pretty much what happened to MOR and Easy Listening - and AM music for that matter. Yes, its the herd mentality but not the way most people see it - its the "herd" of listeners either literally passing on to the big sock hop in the sky or "herding" to other formats....
 
Supply and demand boys...supply and demand. As I posted in other radio groups today, look for one or more other NYNY stations to GRAB the open Oldies opportunity that now exists.

The same thing happened here in Hampton Roads about 2 years ago when our oldies station was dropped. WSRV Surf 92.3 in Deltaville then became the listened to oldies station in HR for a short while until another oldies station opened up locally here.<P ID="signature">______________
Steve Hendrix (WRVQ 73-75)
[email protected]
www.wrovhistory.com
</P>
 
> Supply and demand boys...supply and demand. As I posted in
> other radio groups today, look for one or more other NYNY
> stations to GRAB the open Oldies opportunity that now
> exists.
>
> The same thing happened here in Hampton Roads about 2 years
> ago when our oldies station was dropped. WSRV Surf 92.3 in
> Deltaville then became the listened to oldies station in HR
> for a short while until another oldies station opened up
> locally here.
>
For me this is nothing new. I was fired once for producing such a show with that format [ok, I broke format proving it could tastefully done and it was on an oldies station] 19 years ago. Then fired again while consulting a radio corp group, not long after suggesting such a move, 10 years ago, I was told that format was too experimental. Even though the public as a whole is a big melting pot of interests crossing over, and this has been occurring for years. Plus the population is living longer... One good indicator is the sale of compilation albums/CDs. The amount of ticket sales by those patronizing blockbuster movies with diverse music soundtracks...even those soundtrack sales. Even college stations were/are doing it. Just what Steve said; "Supply and demand boys..." With advent of all of these various ways of getting entertainment...from the days of AM, FM, HD radio, Satellite Radio, vinyl, Reel to Reel, 8-Track, Cassette, CD's, MP3's, Rip and burn your own..., & podcasting! You have to be creative, competitive, and challenging to the competition around you in order to survive. If that's what the people want, variety...give it to them! Like I said in a previous posting "When you embrace people they will in return embrace you. When you forget about the people, they will forget you." The Oldies crowd is alot more open minded than you think. Wait until the next generation comes along in five to ten years. You'll be saying; "Hit Me Baby One More Time is now concidered an Oldie"!!![actually, it already is] Like I just thought... "Addicted to Love is now considered and Oldie"!!! Oh GOD, I'm getting OLD!!! "Damnit Jim, I'm a doctor not a miracle worker". How was that Steve... did I knock it outta the park? <P ID="signature">_____________
Lou</P><P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by iLovradio on 06/05/05 06:57 AM.</FONT></P>
 
> sfx:"CRACK"... HUURRRAAAHHHH!
>
Thank you, I learned from some of the finest in the industry! You were among them. And Yes, 35-65 is still underserved... but It's sounding better! <P ID="signature">______________
Lou</P>
 
> Supply and demand boys...supply and demand. As I posted in
> other radio groups today, look for one or more other NYNY
> stations to GRAB the open Oldies opportunity that now
> exists.
>
> The same thing happened here in Hampton Roads about 2 years
> ago when our oldies station was dropped. WSRV Surf 92.3 in
> Deltaville then became the listened to oldies station in HR
> for a short while until another oldies station opened up
> locally here.

Surf WAS pulling HR numbers when Kool 95.7 was blown up. Things were getting good (relatively speaking... considering it's a Peninsula signal). That all changed when Soul Classics 92.9 was canned for 70s-60s Hits on December 16, 2001...

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> New York and Chicago now know Jack...
>
> Infinity radio has blown up two classic Oldies stations --
> CBS-FM/New York and Magic 104.3/Chicago -- and turned them
> into just another pair of Jacks, while streaming their old
> formats on the Internet.
>
> Is any market safe from the latest flavor-of-the-month
> format?
>
> And what does the end of CBS-FM signal for the Oldies format
> -- it basically started on CBS-FM, after all...?
>

Thanks to VARTV for having a link here, nice board. It was sad to see Chicago and New York lose their oldies stations to the Jack style format. I think, and this is just me thinking, it would be eaiser to use a 80's heavy station, add 90's through today and the 70's as well and flip that to "Jack" and retain the airstaff, thus keeping the oldies in most markets. Here in Richmond, we are slowly, I think developing a "Jack" on 98.9. If it does come to pass, we still have a oldies outlet on 2 frequencies. Only issue there is that the testing station(for now) is ONLY on during the weekends.
 
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