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Hastings, here's why:

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Frish

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My spy says he's leaving WAAF to go back to Miluawkee (sp) where I hear he was a god there before coming to Boston. It seems like no one can understand why he would leave now when most believe waaf will flatten wbcn as of January when Howard walks...

Good luck to him either way.
 
> My spy says he's leaving WAAF to go back to Miluawkee (sp)
> where I hear he was a god there before coming to Boston. It
> seems like no one can understand why he would leave now when
> most believe waaf will flatten wbcn as of January when
> Howard walks...
> Good luck to him either way.

Maybe when he came to Worcester he didn't realize that the WAAF signal is very strong over central mass....and not the Boston Metro.

I doubt he could 'flatten' WBCN with a signal hampering the effort.
 
> Maybe when he came to Worcester he didn't realize that the
> WAAF signal is very strong over central mass....and not the
> Boston Metro.
>
> I doubt he could 'flatten' WBCN with a signal hampering the
> effort.
>

Might wanna check those Boston numbers again.

The signal issue...is a non-issue. The majority of the population of the market lives where the stations compete on even ground.

Guess who's winning?

And once Stern goes away, most people believe that the "Worcester station" will usurp the "Boston station"'s title of "the rock of Boston".

As someone who grew up watching these two pound each other, and as someone who's now involved in the game, I'd love to be here if/when it happens.

Of course here's a screwy scenario for you:

Stern goes away.
The "Boston" station flips to something else. (Sports is the word I hear this week)
Another company with a signal here in town, who also employs people familiar with the format, switches to Active.
They make it very personal due to their past relationship with competitors' upper management.
Perhaps they lure an established morning show who can give them instant cred.

And a new radio war opens up in Boston.

Who's in?
 
> > Maybe when he came to Worcester he didn't realize that the
>
> > WAAF signal is very strong over central mass....and not
> the
> > Boston Metro.
> >
> > I doubt he could 'flatten' WBCN with a signal hampering
> the
> > effort.
> >
>
> Might wanna check those Boston numbers again.
>
> The signal issue...is a non-issue. The majority of the
> population of the market lives where the stations compete on
> even ground.
>
> Guess who's winning?
>
> And once Stern goes away, most people believe that the
> "Worcester station" will usurp the "Boston station"'s title
> of "the rock of Boston".
>
> As someone who grew up watching these two pound each other,
> and as someone who's now involved in the game, I'd love to
> be here if/when it happens.
>
> Of course here's a screwy scenario for you:
>
> Stern goes away.
> The "Boston" station flips to something else. (Sports is the
> word I hear this week)
> Another company with a signal here in town, who also employs
> people familiar with the format, switches to Active.
> They make it very personal due to their past relationship
> with competitors' upper management.
> Perhaps they lure an established morning show who can give
> them instant cred.
>
> And a new radio war opens up in Boston.
>
> Who's in?
>
Paul those are some tough words and some pretty bold predictions. You got balls kid!.................You need a haircut but you've got balls

^5
 
> > > Maybe when he came to Worcester he didn't realize that
> the
> >
> > > WAAF signal is very strong over central mass....and not
> > the
> > > Boston Metro.
> > >
> > > I doubt he could 'flatten' WBCN with a signal hampering
> > the
> > > effort.
> > >
> >
> > Might wanna check those Boston numbers again.
> >
> > The signal issue...is a non-issue. The majority of the
> > population of the market lives where the stations compete
> on
> > even ground.
> >
> > Guess who's winning?
> >
> > And once Stern goes away, most people believe that the
> > "Worcester station" will usurp the "Boston station"'s
> title
> > of "the rock of Boston".
> >
> > As someone who grew up watching these two pound each
> other,
> > and as someone who's now involved in the game, I'd love to
>
> > be here if/when it happens.
> >
> > Of course here's a screwy scenario for you:
> >
> > Stern goes away.
> > The "Boston" station flips to something else. (Sports is
> the
> > word I hear this week)
> > Another company with a signal here in town, who also
> employs
> > people familiar with the format, switches to Active.
> > They make it very personal due to their past relationship
> > with competitors' upper management.
> > Perhaps they lure an established morning show who can give
>
> > them instant cred.
> >
> > And a new radio war opens up in Boston.
> >
> > Who's in?
> >
WBCN AND WAAF haven't been in a true "war" since O and A were at AAF and 'BCN had Parenteau...in other words 10 years! Besides the personalities the music was a little different between the two stations as well. They would have some similiar currents, but you could hear a band like Metallica or AC/DC on WAAF and other more "active" rock where as those bands weren't on WBCN. Of course on the flip side WBCN would give you someone like the Bloodhound Gang or Oasis that WAAF wouldn't be caught dead playing(but probably would now if those older songs just came out).If you listen to the stations PRESENTLY you can barely tell they are competing if you listen to the jocks. Also 'AAF has lost their "edge" to them music-wise when I can tune in and hear Nickleback or something like that!
 
> > > > Maybe when he came to Worcester he didn't realize that
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > WAAF signal is very strong over central mass....and
> not
> > > the
> > > > Boston Metro.
> > > >
> > > > I doubt he could 'flatten' WBCN with a signal
> hampering
> > > the
> > > > effort.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Might wanna check those Boston numbers again.
> > >
> > > The signal issue...is a non-issue. The majority of the
> > > population of the market lives where the stations
> compete
> > on
> > > even ground.
> > >
> > > Guess who's winning?
> > >
> > > And once Stern goes away, most people believe that the
> > > "Worcester station" will usurp the "Boston station"'s
> > title
> > > of "the rock of Boston".
> > >
> > > As someone who grew up watching these two pound each
> > other,
> > > and as someone who's now involved in the game, I'd love
> to
> >
> > > be here if/when it happens.
> > >
> > > Of course here's a screwy scenario for you:
> > >
> > > Stern goes away.
> > > The "Boston" station flips to something else. (Sports is
>
> > the
> > > word I hear this week)
> > > Another company with a signal here in town, who also
> > employs
> > > people familiar with the format, switches to Active.
> > > They make it very personal due to their past
> relationship
> > > with competitors' upper management.
> > > Perhaps they lure an established morning show who can
> give
> >
> > > them instant cred.
> > >
> > > And a new radio war opens up in Boston.
> > >
> > > Who's in?
> > >
> WBCN AND WAAF haven't been in a true "war" since O and A
> were at AAF and 'BCN had Parenteau...in other words 10
> years! Besides the personalities the music was a little
> different between the two stations as well. They would have
> some similiar currents, but you could hear a band like
> Metallica or AC/DC on WAAF and other more "active" rock
> where as those bands weren't on WBCN. Of course on the flip
> side WBCN would give you someone like the Bloodhound Gang or
> Oasis that WAAF wouldn't be caught dead playing(but probably
> would now if those older songs just came out).If you listen
> to the stations PRESENTLY you can barely tell they are
> competing if you listen to the jocks. Also 'AAF has lost
> their "edge" to them music-wise when I can tune in and hear
> Nickleback or something like that!
>
Bloodhound gang? wow you really have not listened since 1995 have you?. It's the same for wbcn, waaf played hundreds of bands that were not even baby bands, bands that never ever would go anywhere or do anything which bcn would never have been caught dead playing either. Why? because they could get Grey FLap or Dogfight for a show whereas they could not get the STP's of the world. Say what you will about bloodhound gang as bad as they are, they sold a lot of records.
 
Re: AAF vs BCN

> >
> Bloodhound gang? wow you really have not listened since 1995
> have you?. It's the same for wbcn, waaf played hundreds of
> bands that were not even baby bands, bands that never ever
> would go anywhere or do anything which bcn would never have
> been caught dead playing either. Why? because they could get
> Grey FLap or Dogfight for a show whereas they could not get
> the STP's of the world. Say what you will about bloodhound
> gang as bad as they are, they sold a lot of records.
>
Maybe you need to take a walk and let off some steam instead of being condesending on the board to me. Bloodhound gang is an example of an alternative band from the 90's WBCN would play that AAF wouldn't. My POINT was their music they played was different where as now you can barely tell the differance between playlists. If anything you made my POINT for me about Dogfight or Boy Hits Car or whatever band you want to use that AAF played because those bands could play shows for them.
 
Re: AAF vs BCN

> Maybe you need to take a walk and let off some steam instead
> of being condesending on the board to me. Bloodhound gang is
> an example of an alternative band from the 90's WBCN would
> play that AAF wouldn't. My POINT was their music they played
> was different where as now you can barely tell the
> differance between playlists. If anything you made my POINT
> for me about Dogfight or Boy Hits Car or whatever band you
> want to use that AAF played because those bands could play
> shows for them.

Did it ever occur to you that those bands wouldn't play shows for BCN? Or...and this is what happens more often than not...BCN won't play the band BECAUSE they played a WAAF show? Playing bands on the air because they plays shows for your station is just smart business.You want people to be aware/attracted to the show based on the bands playing. What's wrong is when ANY station makes the artist suffer because they were offered first exposure in the market by another station. How do you think FNX feels about thr big stations ripping off all the grunge bands?

There was a time when the stations were far more unique than they are now. Absolutely. What's happening is that they've decided to cater to much the same audience. With few exceptions. AAF will play Disturbed, and Godsmack. Whereas BCN barely touched those bands. BCN plays the White Stripes and Killers, and AAF stays away.

But the problem is...there's this thing called the "male rock listener aged 18-54" that Arbitron believes exists.

So, each station now must try to be as broad as possible to attract this mythical guy.

It doesn't work. The 54 year old RARELY likes what his kid listens to.
 
Re: AAF vs BCN

To me it is all about identity. Without identity - buy an IPod. The fun promotions at WBCN set them apart. Last week at the War Of The Worlds
WBCN premiere, it was "sold out" 20 minutes before 7 PM (though we critics had plenty of open seats in front, the WBCN winners were packed in the stadium seating behind us). Maybe bringing back the Rock Lobster (local singer from a Brit/Rock band, Scott something-or-other, his name escapes me), dropping vans
out of the sky - at least Cha Chi gets to give the station some kind of buzz.

If BCN goes talk, they'll have a new identity; if they stay rock, they need some solid personalities - why not Tommy Lee and Paris Hilton by satellite?

If Talk Radio has so many syndicated shows - Rush Limbaugh, Ed Schultz, Randi Rhodes, Mike Savage, why doesn't Boston have a rock station with syndicated big name personalities:

WBCN

Morning Drive: Joan Rivers Rocks your Morning
Forget Stern - Joan Rivers will make Joan Crawford look tame

Mid-days : Tommy Lee

Afternoons: Paul McCartney & Bono battle it out

Evenings: Janis Ian & Public Enemy rule the night,
special reports by Mark Parenteau from San Quentin

Overnights: The Duke of Madness is BACK - Jerry is back from BCN/CGY's
overnights - crazier than ever and on a mission...



OK, clearly I'm being funny with the hosts, but I'm serious about the concept


they sold a lot of records.
> >
> Maybe you need to take a walk and let off some steam instead
> of being condesending on the board to me. Bloodhound gang is
> an example of an alternative band from the 90's WBCN would
> play that AAF wouldn't. My POINT was their music they played
> was different where as now you can barely tell the
> differance between playlists. If anything you made my POINT
> for me about Dogfight or Boy Hits Car or whatever band you
> want to use that AAF played because those bands could play
> shows for them.
>
 
Re: AAF vs BCN

There was the legendary time WBCN passed on a live broadcast of LOS LOBOS so WBOS picked them up and the WBCN Program Director yanked Los Lobos off the WBCN playlist in retaliation.

The major executives at the record label had to put the P.D. in his place and get Los Lobos back on the playlist - but it was all over the press - it was called "Restraint Of Trade". Standing in the way of important art just because a station wants to "own" a band. Do a Boston Globe search on WBCN Los Lobos Live Broadcast - it was sometime in the 1990s


>
> Did it ever occur to you that those bands wouldn't play
> shows for BCN? Or...and this is what happens more often than
> not...BCN won't play the band BECAUSE they played a WAAF
> show? Playing bands on the air because they plays shows for
> your station is just smart business.You want people to be
> aware/attracted to the show based on the bands playing.
> What's wrong is when ANY station makes the artist suffer
> because they were offered first exposure in the market by
> another station. How do you think FNX feels about thr big
> stations ripping off all the grunge bands?
>
> There was a time when the stations were far more unique than
> they are now. Absolutely. What's happening is that they've
> decided to cater to much the same audience. With few
> exceptions. AAF will play Disturbed, and Godsmack. Whereas
> BCN barely touched those bands. BCN plays the White Stripes
> and Killers, and AAF stays away.
>
> But the problem is...there's this thing called the "male
> rock listener aged 18-54" that Arbitron believes exists.
>
> So, each station now must try to be as broad as possible to
> attract this mythical guy.
>
> It doesn't work. The 54 year old RARELY likes what his kid
> listens to.
>
 
>
> Might wanna check those Boston numbers again.
>
> The signal issue...is a non-issue. The majority of the
> population of the market lives where the stations compete on
> even ground.
>
> Guess who's winning?
>

You might want to check some coverage maps. WBCN's signal is superior across a vast majority of the Boston market.

The might sound similar on a car stereo in many places, but try listening from inside a building and I bet you'd get very different results.
 
> >
> > Might wanna check those Boston numbers again.
> >
> > The signal issue...is a non-issue. The majority of the
> > population of the market lives where the stations compete
> on
> > even ground.
> >
> > Guess who's winning?
> >
>
> You might want to check some coverage maps. WBCN's signal
> is superior across a vast majority of the Boston market.
>
> The might sound similar on a car stereo in many places, but
> try listening from inside a building and I bet you'd get
> very different results.

This post merely supports my original assertion.

If a station is doing as well as it currently does, given a signal deficiency, does that not speak volumes?
 
Re: AAF vs BCN

> > >
> > Bloodhound gang? wow you really have not listened since
> 1995
> > have you?. It's the same for wbcn, waaf played hundreds of
>
> > bands that were not even baby bands, bands that never ever
>
> > would go anywhere or do anything which bcn would never
> have
> > been caught dead playing either. Why? because they could
> get
> > Grey FLap or Dogfight for a show whereas they could not
> get
> > the STP's of the world. Say what you will about bloodhound
>
> > gang as bad as they are, they sold a lot of records.
> >
> Maybe you need to take a walk and let off some steam instead
> of being condesending on the board to me. Bloodhound gang is
> an example of an alternative band from the 90's WBCN would
> play that AAF wouldn't. My POINT was their music they played
> was different where as now you can barely tell the
> differance between playlists. If anything you made my POINT
> for me about Dogfight or Boy Hits Car or whatever band you
> want to use that AAF played because those bands could play
> shows for them.
>

Lighten up Francis!
 
IT IS NOTHING NEW!

> There was the legendary time WBCN passed on a live broadcast
> of LOS LOBOS so WBOS picked them up and the WBCN Program
> Director yanked Los Lobos off the WBCN playlist in
> retaliation.
>

Guess what Blog master?? that happens all the time in every format, Kiss does it, etc, it's nothing new and it is was never limited to WBCN. If you ever spent a day discussing what actually happens in Boston radio rather than cherry picking examples of why you think Oedipus was so evil then maybe your posts would be given any sort of consideration.

It happens all the time Joe, you think WBOS hasn't squashed the river on promotions/bands? Kiss didn't squash Mix? and Star?.

Get your head out of your buttocks, it's radio, its never going to change.
 
Re: AAF vs BCN

> There was the legendary time WBCN passed on a live broadcast
> of LOS LOBOS so WBOS picked them up and the WBCN Program
> Director yanked Los Lobos off the WBCN playlist in
> retaliation.
>
> The major executives at the record label had to put the P.D.
> in his place and get Los Lobos back on the playlist - but it
> was all over the press - it was called "Restraint Of Trade".
> Standing in the way of important art just because a station
> wants to "own" a band. Do a Boston Globe search on WBCN Los
> Lobos Live Broadcast - it was sometime in the 1990s

Oh god, ENOUGH ALREADY!
>
>
> >
> > Did it ever occur to you that those bands wouldn't play
> > shows for BCN? Or...and this is what happens more often
> than
> > not...BCN won't play the band BECAUSE they played a WAAF
> > show? Playing bands on the air because they plays shows
> for
> > your station is just smart business.You want people to be
> > aware/attracted to the show based on the bands playing.
> > What's wrong is when ANY station makes the artist suffer
> > because they were offered first exposure in the market by
> > another station. How do you think FNX feels about thr big
> > stations ripping off all the grunge bands?
> >
> > There was a time when the stations were far more unique
> than
> > they are now. Absolutely. What's happening is that they've
>
> > decided to cater to much the same audience. With few
> > exceptions. AAF will play Disturbed, and Godsmack. Whereas
>
> > BCN barely touched those bands. BCN plays the White
> Stripes
> > and Killers, and AAF stays away.
> >
> > But the problem is...there's this thing called the "male
> > rock listener aged 18-54" that Arbitron believes exists.
> >
> > So, each station now must try to be as broad as possible
> to
> > attract this mythical guy.
> >
> > It doesn't work. The 54 year old RARELY likes what his kid
>
> > listens to.
> >
>
 
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