HD board has changed....

[jim8230]

I have been away from this board for quite some time now. I find it refreshing
that the conversation about Ibuzz is now more realistic. Clearly, more and more
people have discovered the problems associated with iBiquity's system.

A while back ,any post that was anti- Iboc was subject to ridicule from a few folks that thought it was the cat's a*s.

BTW, Supercaster- I direct as many of my fellow radio co-workers to your website as possible. They need to hear BOTH sides.

 

[700WLW]

I have been away from this board for quite some time now. I find it refreshing
that the conversation about Ibuzz is now more realistic. Clearly, more and more
people have discovered the problems associated with iBiquity's system.

A while back ,any post that was anti- Iboc was subject to ridicule from a few folks that thought it was the cat's a*s.

BTW, Supercaster- I direct as many of my fellow radio co-workers to your website as possible. They need to hear BOTH sides.

With nothing left to argue, most of the pro-IBOC contingent have left, but now it is a bit more bland. I just visited the "other" board (can't mention it here, or it gets deleted) and probably got myself banned again, but hey, it is all in good-faith !

 

[ElCheapo]

I have been away from this board for quite some time now. I find it refreshing
that the conversation about Ibuzz is now more realistic. Clearly, more and more
people have discovered the problems associated with iBiquity's system.

A while back ,any post that was anti- Iboc was subject to ridicule from a few folks that thought it was the cat's a*s.

BTW, Supercaster- I direct as many of my fellow radio co-workers to your website as possible. They need to hear BOTH sides.

There is no pro-con discussion here. The board is dominated by one guy who will meet any pro-IBOC post with a bunch of mostly unrelated links and cheesy emoticons.

There simply is no chance for anything resembling intelligent conversation and debate to flourish here.

 

[Tom Wells]

I fell to the level of telling ibiquity that their codec screeched like a weasel, and the whole thread is gone, gone, gone.
I then qualified the problems with the AM codec, and asked for some engineering justification for
the adoption of what was previously reckoned as willful, malicious repeated intereference.

'course, with the thread totally deleted, we'll never hear an answer.

Moderator, whither the above thread?

So, tread lightly and avoid excessive confrontation..?

 

[SUPERCASTER]

I have been away from this board for quite some time now. I find it refreshing
that the conversation about Ibuzz is now more realistic. Clearly, more and more
people have discovered the problems associated with iBiquity's system.

A while back ,any post that was anti- Iboc was subject to ridicule from a few folks that thought it was the cat's a*s.

BTW, Supercaster- I direct as many of my fellow radio co-workers to your website as possible. They need to hear BOTH sides.

Thanks for the kind words.
I enjoy most of 700's posts and links. 700 has given me several leads to articles I would have otherwise missed. Thanks 700.
Some seem to think the only "intelligent conversation and debate" is that which agrees with their opinion. Otherwise how could it be "intelligent", right? -Rush Limbaugh, and friends.
I wonder what will happen when the Clear Channel leveraged buyout brokers, bankers, and bean counters find out HD costs money, but makes none, and has virtually no listeners, or future?
Clear Channel has the most HD stations. If they buzz off, then what?

 

[audiophile.]

I think that's one reason they're selling off 448 stations...

 

[hipporadio]

You are very welcome... and thank you, for your technical feedback ! I just search Blogger (http://search.blogger.com), periodically for, "HD Radio", and it comes up with all this good stuff ! I suppose, you are right - there is nothing left to argue, but I didn't take you for being so righteous.

700--if a line is forming for “the righteous”, I would have to assume my position near the very end

I'll apologize if I appeared a bit too quick on the trigger toward you! Please believe that was not the intention of my post. I also enjoy your "leads"--I was never very good at Google : I was inviting you to expand your input. I only discovered this forum after you privately Emailed me a few months back. Thankfully, this is one of a very few places where the demerits of current HD Radio can be freely discussed. You’ve been to the “other sites” where the pro-IBOC clan hangs out “pleasuring themselves” with the full support of the moderators. We are very blessed that Radio-Info has chosen a more open philosophy.

We have a great group on our side of the table here. Folks like Tom Wells, SUPERCASTER, vsa, and others have a wealth of knowledge and experience--and they know how to politely and effectively present their arguments. There is no cogent and rational defense for the current HD Radio scheme... So when confronted by the gentlemen I have mentioned, the IBOCers can do little but throw a “hissy” and click over to their “save haven” elsewhere.

700, I can guarantee there are MANY distinguished and “plugged in” people that review these posts. They may not have a screen name or account here--but they read our entries with interest. It is my hope (and yours I’m sure) that they view us with some level of respect. Summarily; because a person supports the current state of affairs in HD Radio (possibly for sheer livelihood)--does not mean that they cannot be my friend... I suspect that you, others here, and I could meet for lunch (maybe even with some of "them")--and find ourselves glancing at our watch to discover that it’s already 6PM and the dinner staff is on duty... Those are great lunches!

In reality I was saying: “Come on in 700WLW—the water’s fine!”

 

[ElCheapo]

700, I can guarantee there are MANY distinguished and “plugged in” people that review these posts. They may not have a screen name or account here--but they read our entries with interest. It is my hope (and yours I’m sure) that they view us with some level of respect.

Yeah - right... Don't let the read counts fool you.

I did a little test with another thread on the board and found only 15 different individual people were actually reading this stuff.

This board is strictly low cume, high TSL.

 

[hipporadio]

700, I can guarantee there are MANY distinguished and “plugged in” people that review these posts. They may not have a screen name or account here--but they read our entries with interest. It is my hope (and yours I’m sure) that they view us with some level of respect.

Yeah - right... Don't let the read counts fool you.

I did a little test with another thread on the board and found only 15 different individual people were actually reading this stuff.

This board is strictly low cume, high TSL.

Thank you for making my point!

There is no cogent and rational defense for the current HD Radio scheme... So when confronted by the gentlemen I have mentioned, the IBOCers can do little but throw a “hissy” and click over to their “save haven” elsewhere.

I’m still waiting for that technically-sound position... It remains “missing”... ‘Like being lost in the north woods of Canada... Or is it just buried in all the IBOC “hash”?

 

[700WLW]

You are very welcome... and thank you, for your technical feedback ! I just search Blogger (http://search.blogger.com), periodically for, "HD Radio", and it comes up with all this good stuff ! I suppose, you are right - there is nothing left to argue, but I didn't take you for being so righteous.

700--if a line is forming for “the righteous”, I would have to assume my position near the very end

I'll apologize if I appeared a bit too quick on the trigger toward you! Please believe that was not the intention of my post. I also enjoy your "leads"--I was never very good at Google : I was inviting you to expand your input. I only discovered this forum after you privately Emailed me a few months back. Thankfully, this is one of a very few places where the demerits of current HD Radio can be freely discussed. You’ve been to the “other sites” where the pro-IBOC clan hangs out “pleasuring themselves” with the full support of the moderators. We are very blessed that Radio-Info has chosen a more open philosophy.

We have a great group on our side of the table here. Folks like Tom Wells, SUPERCASTER, vsa, and others have a wealth of knowledge and experience--and they know how to politely and effectively present their arguments. There is no cogent and rational defense for the current HD Radio scheme... So when confronted by the gentlemen I have mentioned, the IBOCers can do little but throw a “hissy” and click over to their “save haven” elsewhere.

700, I can guarantee there are MANY distinguished and “plugged in” people that review these posts. They may not have a screen name or account here--but they read our entries with interest. It is my hope (and yours I’m sure) that they view us with some level of respect. Summarily; because a person supports the current state of affairs in HD Radio (possibly for sheer livelihood)--does not mean that they cannot be my friend... I suspect that you, others here, and I could meet for lunch (maybe even with some of "them")--and find ourselves glancing at our watch to discover that it’s already 6PM and the dinner staff is on duty... Those are great lunches!

In reality I was saying: “Come on in 700WLW—the water’s fine!”

Hippo,

Since I took your post the wrong way, then I apologize. Maybe, I originate too many threads, but I just thought it might make for interesting reading. I am a C/C++ software engineer with a background in the Intel Community, and know very little about broadcast communications theory, so I hesitate in getting involved in many technical discussions. I visit the DX Board a lot, but there are no battles-to-be-won over there, and since IBOC would put an end to DXing, it seemed reasonable to post here. I do appreciate your technical explainations, and it definately has been a learning experience ! As far as what ElCheapo claimed, that the read count is very low on this board, if true, is probably because everyone is sick of all the petty arguments that have gone on for months. Would you rather I originate fewer threads, or are posting links to Ramsey, and the like, worth doing (I find it interesting, and usually amusing) ?

 

[hipporadio]

Maybe, I originate too many threads, but I just thought it might make for interesting reading. I am a C/C++ software engineer with a background in the Intel Community, and know very little about broadcast communications theory, so I hesitate in getting involved in many technical discussions

After I logged off last evening, it dawned on me that you may not be working in a technical capacity in radio. I remembered your question in another thread about a LOCAL/DX switch on a radio, and I started feeling like the “heel”. Your professional background would explain your reluctance to compose a technical post, but it does not preclude your participation here or make your opinions any less worthy. A frequent problem in broadcast culture is the “turf” mentality... "Belong to my Frat--you're fine... No--and you're a Nerd" Often to late--they are finally confronted with the reality that their station is a “bottom-feeder” (or their HD is headed for antiquity).

Your contribution of numerous links void of commentary is the ONLY justification the IBOC gang can find to attack you here... And that is a paramount indication of how poor a case they are able to make for their own position. I participated in debate in high school and college. A losing proposition is easy to spot. Those forced to debate it cannot make cogent and relevant points; they will not stay on “theme”--instead choosing to stray off topic into making personal attacks. In debate, any message is fair game--but attack the messenger, and you’re off the team!

Would you rather I originate fewer threads, or are posting links to Ramsey, and the like, worth doing (I find it interesting, and usually amusing)?

Not at all... And keep them coming. Tom Wells makes a very good point...

I appreciate the work someone has done to post links. I can critique the wasteful application and technology, but would never come up with links from industry insiders...

I also enjoy the info that you manage to unearth... It serves as a starting point for many of the topics here. Consider yourself to be the team recruiter. You find the football players, then let them enjoy the gridiron!

 

[700WLW]

Don't worry about your previous post... believe me, I feel bad too. Ok, then I'll keep the threads coming, but will be a bit more careful. Ramsey has almost always been dead right (but, a bit politically correct, since he consults to the entertainment industries) to the point of being amusing...

 

[ElCheapo]

Thank you for making my point!

What point? You contend that a lot of people who don't participate in these threads read them and somehow might take them to heart.

I doubt very seriously that they are reading them. You're bickering amongst yourselves.

 

[700WLW]

Thank you for making my point!

What point? You contend that a lot of people who don't participate in these threads read them and somehow might take them to heart.

I doubt very seriously that they are reading them. You're bickering amongst yourselves.

Many people log on as guests, so you have no idea, who reads these threads.

 

[ElCheapo]

Many people log on as guests, so you have no idea, who reads these threads.

As of this posting, this thread has been viewed 158 times.

There are 7 participants and 14 posts. If each of the particpants checks the thread once after each post that's 98 of the 158.

Then there's the other 5 or so regular HD bashers in this forum that aren't responding in this thread but you know they're reading it. If they check it 14 times each, that's 70 more hits on the thread. We haven't even hit that number yet.

I seriously doubt anyone outside this little group of HD bashers is reading this forum regularly. It has devolved into a shouting match that nobody else has any use for. It's boring and predictable. The same dozen or so people saying the same words over and over - just in a different order.

Yawn...

 

[Tom Wells]

I'm still waiting for ibiquity's engineer in charge of debunkment to engage real discourse.
As a giant corporation, the stonewalling is to be expected. Just academically indefensible.

Yoo, hoo! ibiquity! I have some "considerations" I would like to discuss rationally.

 

[ElCheapo]

I'm still waiting for ibiquity's engineer in charge of debunkment to engage real discourse.
As a giant corporation, the stonewalling is to be expected. Just academically indefensible.

Yoo, hoo! ibiquity! I have some "considerations" I would like to discuss rationally.

I suspect you'll be waiting a long time. There's zero reason for them to engage in any discourse here.

I'd say it's about as likely as anyone from KFC stopping by a PETA chat board to discuss the merits of deep frying your "friends." The iBiquity rep would be met with the same kind of hostility here.

If anyone from iBiquity ever did stop by here, they'd be met with a bunch of links to Mark Ramsey's blogs courtesy of 700WLW, a bunch of cheesy emoticons and hostility from a few engineers who clearly don't understand that DXing is an obsolete practice in 2006.

 

[Tom Wells]

I'm not holding my breath.
My radio's not broken, until ibiquity offered to break it for me..
I reject your characterization of radio use as unfounded.
Existing service shall not be diminished or compromised, despite owners' discomfort with the responsibility.

 

[ElCheapo]

I'm not holding my breath.
My radio's not broken, until ibiquity offered to break it for me..
I reject your characterization of radio use as unfounded.
Existing service shall not be diminished or compromised, despite owners' discomfort with the responsibility.

Don't worry about my "characterization of radio use" - check Arbitron's. They'll tell you the same thing.

 

[700WLW]

Many people log on as guests, so you have no idea, who reads these threads.

As of this posting, this thread has been viewed 158 times.

There are 7 participants and 14 posts. If each of the particpants checks the thread once after each post that's 98 of the 158.

Then there's the other 5 or so regular HD bashers in this forum that aren't responding in this thread but you know they're reading it. If they check it 14 times each, that's 70 more hits on the thread. We haven't even hit that number yet.

I seriously doubt anyone outside this little group of HD bashers is reading this forum regularly. It has devolved into a shouting match that nobody else has any use for. It's boring and predictable. The same dozen or so people saying the same words over and over - just in a different order.

Yawn...

Yawn... no wonder, the argument has been settled. Boy, this sounds just like the math I did on the number of HD radios sold, considering number of votes over a certain period, and the number of sites selling HD radios - that number was purposefully very optimistic, but still very dismal !