HD DX

[stevenNOLA]

I personally know only a couple of people who have purchased HD radios. Then I live in a rural area, 60 miles from the nearest HD station, so I suppose that's normal.

It's entirely possible that

a)-Radio Shack...THE CHAIN sold out of Accurians BETWEEN THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS

AND

b)-Your local Radio Shack, in June of the next freakin' year, has slow sales of the units.

Different scenario, different timeframe, local vs. national, where's the contradiction? Apples and oranges. It's possible simultaneously for Dell to be the top-selling computer brand, and for you not to know anyone who owns, or even likes, Dell computers. Toyota's sold tons of Camrys. I don't know ANYBODY who owns one. Should I assume there is no interest in them, and that they're a failure? That would be pretty damn silly.

If Radio Shack HD Accurian radios are still collecting dust in the store, then how can they possibly claim to be "sold out"?

Perhaps RS delivered all they had to stores, but that is definitely not the same thing as "sold out", unless they sold them all to paying, end users, consumers (which did not happen).

The "Sold out" statement is just more of the same deceptive HD Radio over-hype that is what HD Radio is totally all about.

Since there are comprehension problems, I will clarify my previous statement: The store I visited had SOLD ALL OF THE INVENTORY OF ACCURIAN RADIOS. The store manager offered to order some for me or suggested I buy them online. My choice. I opted for online so I didn't have to pick them up.

OK, So the store sold it's total inventory of probably 5 radios they stocked over say a period of several months... does that mean it's a blaring success?

Bet you didn't asked how many they stocked and sold right?

Radiopilot

If you carefully read my post, I never suggested anything was successful nor selling at a particular pace. I don't run the store so I don't care how many they stock or sell. I wanted 2 and they didn't have them. I'm sure you can call the store if you want more informaton.

 

[radiopilot]

I personally know only a couple of people who have purchased HD radios. Then I live in a rural area, 60 miles from the nearest HD station, so I suppose that's normal.

It's entirely possible that

a)-Radio Shack...THE CHAIN sold out of Accurians BETWEEN THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS

AND

b)-Your local Radio Shack, in June of the next freakin' year, has slow sales of the units.

Different scenario, different timeframe, local vs. national, where's the contradiction? Apples and oranges. It's possible simultaneously for Dell to be the top-selling computer brand, and for you not to know anyone who owns, or even likes, Dell computers. Toyota's sold tons of Camrys. I don't know ANYBODY who owns one. Should I assume there is no interest in them, and that they're a failure? That would be pretty damn silly.

If Radio Shack HD Accurian radios are still collecting dust in the store, then how can they possibly claim to be "sold out"?

Perhaps RS delivered all they had to stores, but that is definitely not the same thing as "sold out", unless they sold them all to paying, end users, consumers (which did not happen).

The "Sold out" statement is just more of the same deceptive HD Radio over-hype that is what HD Radio is totally all about.

Since there are comprehension problems, I will clarify my previous statement: The store I visited had SOLD ALL OF THE INVENTORY OF ACCURIAN RADIOS. The store manager offered to order some for me or suggested I buy them online. My choice. I opted for online so I didn't have to pick them up.

OK, So the store sold it's total inventory of probably 5 radios they stocked over say a period of several months... does that mean it's a blaring success?

Bet you didn't asked how many they stocked and sold right?

Radiopilot

If you carefully read my post, I never suggested anything was successful nor selling at a particular pace. I don't run the store so I don't care how many they stock or sell. I wanted 2 and they didn't have them. I'm sure you can call the store if you want more informaton.


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The store I visited had SOLD ALL OF THE INVENTORY OF ACCURIAN RADIOS. The store manager offered to order some for me or suggested I buy them online. My choice. I opted for online so I didn't have to pick them up.

Somehow you knew that the store's inventory was sold... at this point it would have behooved yourself to ask how many were sold since you seen to be posting here as a pro-HD follower.

No I'll not have to call any Texas Radio Shack managers... I've alreasdy posted my results of going to several stores in the Tampa area and they the Radio Shack managers have provided what I need to post here.

Others in the Orlando area have posted the same results I had... so if you don't understand what we post and HOW we communicated with the managers of these stores than move on...

HD Radio = 15 years too late
HD Radio = Defective Technology
HD Radio = Non Existant to Consumers

Radiopilot

 

[stevenNOLA]

Moving on sounds like a great idea. I see no reason to spend more time trying to reason with the unreasonable.

 

[Mike Sheridan]

I have the Sangean HDT-1 and I enjoy it allot. So far I haven't heard much in to way of DX but I haven't had much time to devote to trying.

Let the nay sayers grumble. If this was 1950 they would probably be saying the same things about FM.

 

[Len14043]

I have the Sangean HDT-1 and I enjoy it allot. So far I haven't heard much in to way of DX but I haven't had much time to devote to trying.

Let the nay sayers grumble. If this was 1950 they would probably be saying the same things about FM.

I agree. It took FM a long time to develop and it will be the same for HD radio. But I think the growth will be slow because people are generally happy with their analog radios. As chips become cheaper, they will likely be incorporated into the radios. I believe that when you purchase a radio 10-15 years from now, it will have HD circuitry - even if you don't set out to buy an HD radio. The people that post on blogs attempting to disuade people from purchasing HD radios are wasting their time.

 

[KE4KLS_Radio]

I have the Sangean HDT-1 and I enjoy it allot. So far I haven't heard much in to way of DX but I haven't had much time to devote to trying.

Let the nay sayers grumble. If this was 1950 they would probably be saying the same things about FM.

I agree. It took FM a long time to develop and it will be the same for HD radio. But I think the growth will be slow because people are generally happy with their analog radios. As chips become cheaper, they will likely be incorporated into the radios. I believe that when you purchase a radio 10-15 years from now, it will have HD circuitry - even if you don't set out to buy an HD radio. The people that post on blogs attempting to disuade people from purchasing HD radios are wasting their time.

I think you hit it right on the money. Remember it wasn't until the 1970's when FM radio really came on-line, even though FM radios were readily available. So even though HD has only been around a couple of years, remember it was 20+ years before FM became viable. Once improvements in receiver technology, program content for HD2 & 3, availability of a variety of units at a reasonable price, and the public's embracement of this product occurs then will HD become a viable force. The public needs to have a good reason to purchase one of these units and if the status quo is ok, then why bother? So the industry should give a solid reason for HD - program content, and perhaps some improvement in sound quality. Time will tell...

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

Note that while you are arguing over how many were sold, no one thought to ask the store managers how many were returned. The few I have asked about it have nearly a 100% return rate (not representative of the whole country, of course...just anecdotal).

 

[Mike Sheridan]

Face it these days nobody wants to push a box that doesn't come with a subscription kickback.

 

[noknownuser]

Re: HD DX is...

...receiving a 5kw AM station 20 miles away from my house on on my BA Receptor Radio HD! ;D

 

[Mike Walker]

I'm an HD fan, but I have NO experience with HD on AM. I hope 20 miles for a 5kw AM station isn't considered spectacular! I grew up in Ronda, NC in the 60s and 70s. EVERY top 40 station was a 5kw AM at least 40 miles away (Winston Salem WTOB...or 1kw in the case of WAIR), often 70 miles away (Charlotte...WAYS). I routinely listen to WSJS in Winston Salem (5kw on 600...about 60 miles away) now. WKSK in West Jefferson NC, 5kw on 580, routinely goes 80 miles or more. If 20 miles for a 5kw station is spectacular, we're really screwed!

 

[SUPERCASTER]

I have the Sangean HDT-1 and I enjoy it allot. So far I haven't heard much in to way of DX but I haven't had much time to devote to trying.

Let the nay sayers grumble. If this was 1950 they would probably be saying the same things about FM.

I was here in 1950 and was a strong advocate of FM, but FM did no harm. HD radio does!

 

[radiopilot]

I have the Sangean HDT-1 and I enjoy it allot. So far I haven't heard much in to way of DX but I haven't had much time to devote to trying.

Let the nay sayers grumble. If this was 1950 they would probably be saying the same things about FM.

If this was 1950 and we're talking about this on Radio-Info boards, FM and AM would be superflous as the internet would then be the most viewed and listened to format as it will be in 5-10 years, HD radio will then of course be history, of this this is looking at the crystal ball sort of.

FM still does not sound as good as a well engineered AM station and listened to on a high end AM tuner!

Radiopilot

 

[Mike Walker]

What people who aren't in radio don't realize is that MOST OF WHAT PEOPLE LISTEN TO ON THE INTERNET IS PRODUCED BY TERRESTRIAL BROADCASTERS! Other than the music formats, most of what's on satellite radio is rebroadcast from terrestrial stations and networks. WE ARE THE PROGRAM SUPPLIERS! Only the method of distribution is in dispute! TERRESTRIAL STATIONS WILL CONTINUE TO DOMINATE, as terrestrial network tv has continued to dominate...no matter what the 'net, or cable tv puts up to compete.

After 40 years of cable tv, MOST OF WHAT PEOPLE WATCH EVERY NIGHT IS PRODUCED BY THE MAJOR NETWORKS! After 80 years of radio broadcasting, the internet, satellite, wi-max, and all the other b.s. MOST OF WHAT PEOPLE LISTEN TO IS PRODUCED BY TERRESTRIAL BROADCASTERS AND NETWORKS. Arbitron shows that cume (total number of listeners per week) for terrestrial radio IS NOT DELINING! It's about the same as a decade ago. Time spent listening IS down somewhat...but that's true for ALL MEDIA. The sky ain't falling, and won't. Anyone with some historical perspective will grin at the idea that "radio won't survive". It always has, and always will. Terrestrial radio is THE DOG. The 'net, wi-max, satellite, etc...aren't even the tail. They're the freakin' fleas!

 

[radiopilot]

What people who aren't in radio don't realize is that MOST OF WHAT PEOPLE LISTEN TO ON THE INTERNET IS PRODUCED BY TERRESTRIAL BROADCASTERS! Other than the music formats, most of what's on satellite radio is rebroadcast from terrestrial stations and networks. WE ARE THE PROGRAM SUPPLIERS! Only the method of distribution is in dispute! TERRESTRIAL STATIONS WILL CONTINUE TO DOMINATE, as terrestrial network tv has continued to dominate...no matter what the 'net, or cable tv puts up to compete.

After 40 years of cable tv, MOST OF WHAT PEOPLE WATCH EVERY NIGHT IS PRODUCED BY THE MAJOR NETWORKS! After 80 years of radio broadcasting, the internet, satellite, wi-max, and all the other b.s. MOST OF WHAT PEOPLE LISTEN TO IS PRODUCED BY TERRESTRIAL BROADCASTERS AND NETWORKS. Arbitron shows that cume (total number of listeners per week) for terrestrial radio IS NOT DELINING! It's about the same as a decade ago. Time spent listening IS down somewhat...but that's true for ALL MEDIA. The sky ain't falling, and won't. Anyone with some historical perspective will grin at the idea that "radio won't survive". It always has, and always will. Terrestrial radio is THE DOG. The 'net, wi-max, satellite, etc...aren't even the tail. They're the freakin' fleas!

I suppose YAHOO MUSIC is produced by terrestrial broadcasters, I can name a few huge internet radio websites that are the most popular and not even run by anything close to radio broadcasters... Mike how can you be so naive!

You're living in a sheltered world!

Radiopilot

 

[Mike Walker]

Yahoo music has what, a few hundred thousand subscribers? Yeah...that's some retort. You win. Duh...shoulda' seen that comin'. My bad! :'(

 

[Mike Walker]

Remember...when comparing 'net only services, vs. terrestrial, you must combine ALL terrestrial streams...PLUS all over-the-air listeners, vs. those who stream only. Of course terrestrial wins...by a few hundred million.

"How can I be so naive" as to factor real data from scientific research into my argument? How indeed!

 

[Tom Wells]

I have the Sangean HDT-1 and I enjoy it allot. So far I haven't heard much in to way of DX but I haven't had much time to devote to trying.

Let the nay sayers grumble. If this was 1950 they would probably be saying the same things about FM.

If this was 1950 and we're talking about this on Radio-Info boards, FM and AM would be superflous as the internet would then be the most viewed and listened to format as it will be in 5-10 years, HD radio will then of course be history, of this this is looking at the crystal ball sort of.

FM still does not sound as good as a well engineered AM station and listened to on a high end AM tuner!

Radiopilot

It is good to see someone else bolding stating the truth, when "everybody knows" better.
Just like the tube/transistor debate in the 60's/70's.
Congratulations on your perception and hearing.
It is still true, even though it has been obscured by decades of bad engineering and stupid choices.
Even when I listen to FM at home, it goes into the part 15 AM, and is heard over AM radios.

It would be funny to produce a promo to explain why AM sounds better.
I know why I think it sounds better, but why do you think it sounds better, Radiopilot?

 

[radiopilot]

I have the Sangean HDT-1 and I enjoy it allot. So far I haven't heard much in to way of DX but I haven't had much time to devote to trying.

Let the nay sayers grumble. If this was 1950 they would probably be saying the same things about FM.

If this was 1950 and we're talking about this on Radio-Info boards, FM and AM would be superflous as the internet would then be the most viewed and listened to format as it will be in 5-10 years, HD radio will then of course be history, of this this is looking at the crystal ball sort of.

FM still does not sound as good as a well engineered AM station and listened to on a high end AM tuner!

Radiopilot

It is good to see someone else bolding stating the truth, when "everybody knows" better.
Just like the tube/transistor debate in the 60's/70's.
Congratulations on your perception and hearing.
It is still true, even though it has been obscured by decades of bad engineering and stupid choices.
Even when I listen to FM at home, it goes into the part 15 AM, and is heard over AM radios.

It would be funny to produce a promo to explain why AM sounds better.
I know why I think it sounds better, but why do you think it sounds better, Radiopilot?

Tom I have a Grundig S350 radio and I use it when I travel from Savannah, GA. to New Port Richey, FL and you might ask WHY?

There is a well engineered station as well as several others I might mention that play music on AM, YES music on AM and listening to this music is very pleasing and although it doesn't have the bandwidth of FM it nontheless is much better in terms of not sounding tinny as it does on FM... I too will broadcast on AM music and it actually does sound better to the ear than when the music is played on FM. Doesn't matter what the station does in terms of processing as long as the public approves of it and the success of these AM stations is a testament they are doing well.

I have posted demos of this music on AM and can once again do so... I'm not at home so I have no way of recording this from the Grundig onto my computer and turn it into a .wav file but will do so soon.

But here are some mp3 clips I made on the Grundig some time back.

http://home.earthlink.net/~nrios/nikon/AM630_Grundig_350.mp3
http://home.earthlink.net/~nrios/nikon/AM630_Savannah.mp3

On the Grundig you can hear when I switch from wideband to narrow...

If tubes were bad back in the 60/70's and transistors were 'in' why is it that most amplifiers and microphone amps sound better in tube applications then in solid state today? My microphone preamp for the station uses tube preamps and the they sound mello and not tinny and just perfect for voiceing.

The stupid engineering was probably 'bean based and not engineering based' as many companies do... MONEY and GREED.

Fortunately there are still some of us that do hear with our ears and not with our wallets!

Radiopilot

 

[semoochie]

This just sounds like standard AM to me. For the half second that wideband kicked in on the first example, it sounded distorted, which is what I always hear on wideband AM. It doesn't sound anywhere near as good as FM, mainly because of the noise and distortion that I always thought were inherent in the system. I can't imagine anyone thinking this sounds better!

 

[dbdigital]

I have the Sangean HDT-1 and I enjoy it allot. So far I haven't heard much in to way of DX but I haven't had much time to devote to trying.

Let the nay sayers grumble. If this was 1950 they would probably be saying the same things about FM.

I agree. It took FM a long time to develop and it will be the same for HD radio.

Comparing the acceptance of HD-R to the beginnings of FM is ridiculous. Back then, FM only had to compete with AM. Today, terrestrial radio is competing with so many new technologies and methods of broadcasting, most of which are developing at the same time as HD-R: cell phone radio, web radio, satellite radio, etc.

Plus there is a different culture and mindset now then there was in the 50's. People, particularly young people, today are more tech savvy and more interested in controlling their listening experience. Why do you think the iPod is so popular and why CBS was so anxious to buy Last.FM? Evidence indicates that people want to control the playlist instead of having someone else control it. The only thing that hasn't changed is the desire to be entertained. But the "how" is changing.

Despite the digital technology associated with HD-Radio, the HD-R boosters are still longing for the "good old days" when the only way to get news and entertainment was through radio, TV, newspapers and magazines. That's why they denigrate and blow off anyone who reminds them that the media landscape is changing. They actually fear the change.

db