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HD FM Radio in Cellphones.

HD Radio would never kill cellphones, but it will kill itself and has brought traditional radio down with it, especially AM radio. But again traditional radio is over 100 years old and has to compete with 5G technology. Just wait and see where radio will be in the next decade, my guess radio will be mostly streaming. Streaming is the true digital radio not HD Radio or should we say Hybrid Digital which is like fake bacon.
How did HD take down traditional radio? It does not negatively affect FMs and on AM the reduction in bandwidth did nothing negative as by 2000 AM radios you could buy were pretty much dead over 5 kHz in audio response (proven by an NAB presentation by Mr. Orban himself using extensive test data).
 
Streaming is the true digital radio not HD Radio or should we say Hybrid Digital which is like fake bacon.

HD never stood for Hybrid Digital or anything else, according to iBiquity. Fanboy types with websites coined the "backronym" Hybrid Digital, but it was never anything more than an educated guess.
 
HD never stood for Hybrid Digital or anything else, according to iBiquity. Fanboy types with websites coined the "backronym" Hybrid Digital, but it was never anything more than an educated guess.
Seems like in the early 2000s the HD radio drum-beaters were trying to copy the ascending trend for High Definition Television, HDTV. "High Definition" radio?....maybe not. A bit like the 60s trend copying TV as in "Color Channel 14" or "Color Channel 95"?
 
Seems like in the early 2000s the HD radio drum-beaters were trying to copy the ascending trend for High Definition Television, HDTV. "High Definition" radio?....maybe not. A bit like the 60s trend copying TV as in "Color Channel 14" or "Color Channel 95"?
Actually, the trend they tried to replicate is digital audio... CDs for example. The development of AM digital stereo began back in the late 80s and for FM shortly after... and had little but coincidence to do with HDTV.
 
Actually, the trend they tried to replicate is digital audio... CDs for example. The development of AM digital stereo began back in the late 80s and for FM shortly after... and had little but coincidence to do with HDTV.
That's right.

I was referring to the marketing buzzwords that were getting thrown around back in the day.
 
I've had three vehicles now that had digital radios in addition to plain old vanilla FM and I'll be damned if I can tell the difference between the audio quality. It might be noticeable in a very quiet home with an excellent recording of classical music but not in a moving vehicle with all the ambient (non radio) noise. Aside from the subs, which I am grateful for, there seems very little to recommend digital radio.
 
You guys are kidding me right? IBOC almost killed radio, now you want it to kill cell phones?
IBOC didn't come close to killing radio -- even AM radio. It's working well on FM, although not that much of it is monetized. Most big metro FMs have IBOC, and those stations are still in existence years after installing the feature.

There's no way HD radio could 'kill' cellphones, even if it worked in them.
 
Please see this post and ensuing discussion regarding the value of FM for emergency purposes.

I don't get your view that EAS should have been used in the Texas power outages. If the state didn't respond properly, what makes you think they would have considered EAS? The government has to enact EAS. It's not something initiated by radio.
 
I don't get your view that EAS should have been used in the Texas power outages. If the state didn't respond properly, what makes you think they would have considered EAS? The government has to enact EAS. It's not something initiated by radio.

There was already a whole conversation about that in the linked thread.
 
I don't believe FM HD is going to find a place in cell phones (there's no reason for it, when analog FM is easier to receive and consumes less power for emergency purposes).

Please see this post and ensuing discussion regarding the value of FM for emergency purposes.
https://www.radiodiscussions.com/th...r-effect-on-houston-radio.733486/post-6373242
People can slog through that thread if they want; my point here is that analog FM can be available in phones as an alternate mode of communication when cell service is unavailable or congested. Analog FM in phones is low-to-no-cost to phone buyers and no-impact to the data providers who charge for 'unlimited' plans. The only provision is that the user has to connect a wired device to the phone headphone jack for use as an FM antenna (Apple users are out of luck here). That's it. What FM does with their channel is a separate (and apparently lengthy) discussion.
 
People can slog through that thread if they want; my point here is that analog FM can be available in phones as an alternate mode of communication when cell service is unavailable or congested. Analog FM in phones is low-to-no-cost to phone buyers and no-impact to the data providers who charge for 'unlimited' plans. The only provision is that the user has to connect a wired device to the phone headphone jack for use as an FM antenna (Apple users are out of luck here). That's it. What FM does with their channel is a separate (and apparently lengthy) discussion.
I agree 100%. Even when 5G technology is completed it could still be unavailable when there’s a emergency situation like what we have in Texas. The cellular and broadband infrastructure is fragile and when there’s no electricity the system is down. Good old fashioned radio will still be operating.
 
Please see this post and ensuing discussion regarding the value of FM for emergency purposes.
https://www.radiodiscussions.com/th...r-effect-on-houston-radio.733486/post-6373242
What does that have to do with the statement that HD Radio killed radio?
The fact remains, you can't force people to own and maintain battery powered radios, HD capable ones or not. Other than what's in their car, majority of consumers don't know about portable radios, let alone own one. Now their go-to device is a smartphone. More 1980's thinking.
 
HD Radio would never kill cellphones, but it will kill itself and has brought traditional radio down with it, especially AM radio. But again traditional radio is over 100 years old and has to compete with 5G technology. Just wait and see where radio will be in the next decade, my guess radio will be mostly streaming. Streaming is the true digital radio not HD Radio or should we say Hybrid Digital which is like fake bacon.
I don't think HD Radio has had any bearing on the decline of radio. It's more a matter of the radio marketplace, and the associated lack of investment. Audio programming in general has lost some audience to richer media. Radio, in particular now has to share the marketplace for audio programming with streaming and podcasts. Radio is just a medium for audio programming.

As for the promise of 5G and the smart devices attached to it, I'm still not getting rid of my radios. They have their place.
The thing with the smart devices are that they are subscription based, one way or the other. You don't get service unless you subscribe. Once you buy a radio, it will work till it falls apart, becomes obsolescent, or if your local stations die off.

Smart devices have a relatively short lifespan compared to radios. They become obsolescent because of software bloat or abandoned hardware. In comparison, I have a late 1960s era Sears Silvertone tabletop radio that still works fine for analog broadcast radio. It won't be obsolescent until radio goes all-digital. I'd like to think that the HD radios I've bought over the last few years will have a useful life measured in double digits.

I'm not trying to say I have a problem with innovation. It's pushing us forward and I use smart devices all the time. Radio still has a place in my life as a way to consume audio programming without all the fuss of managing credentials, subscriptions, or the upgrade treadmill for the smart devices.
 
All moto phones have headphone jacks and the analog chip is enabled. It actually works pretty well, and you can e even record airchecks from it! although I've never tried recording...
It could be a way to record to a PC's sound card too.
John
 
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