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HD Mysteries...

Thanks to Radio Ink's Eric Rhoads, I finally have at-home access to HD radio channels and have been checking them out for a few days.

First impression: The audio, generally speaking, sounds better than analog FM - only slightly, and most noticably when transitioning from a less-than-pristine analog signal. The lack of multipath and other distortion mixed with the audio signal sounds so nice. I think I can hear some digital distortion - fleeting - as a kind of shrill edginess that goes up & down with high frequency sounds, but it seems a minor price to pay for the otherwise cleaner sounding audio. At least on the HD1 signals that I've listened to so far.

HD2, at a slightly lower fidelity still sounds OK - and also absent of the usual FM fuzz and fritziness (multipath, mostly).

HD3, only found on: KITS - running the last.fm feed, in mono, probably to get the best sound possible from an even lower bit rate (48k?) -- and KMEL - no audio at all ... maybe testing or something?


Well, the reason I'm even bringing HD up is that I've noticed a few stations which might need to fix their HD2 info streams - the Title & Artist (or station name & slogan) stuff that appears on the little screen when listening to the station in question...

Star-FM (101.3) their HD2 shows "Every Word - Ercola / Danielle" regardless of what's actually playing.

BAND-FM (103.7) HD2 - "Theme From Shaft - Isaac Hayes" is the info, regardless of the actual song.

KFOG (104.5) HD2 - Only shows "KFOG's 10 @ 10 Station" - no "year" info for the individual "10 @ 10" segments being played.

KMEL (106.1) HD2 - "This Dj - Warren G." is the title/artist info regardless of the music playing.

KSAN (107.7) HD2 - slogan "107.7 The Bone Rocks!" - while slightly informative, has no song/artist info.


Also: I was checking KDFC's webpage for info on what had been playing on their HD2 channel - the only place I could get that was to go to their Listen Live player, then click on "Stations" and then scroll down to "KDFCHD2" where there was a short list of previously-played music. No reference to the HD2 channel or playlist info anywhere, that I could find.

I don't know how hard it would be to give more presence on a station's website to the HD2/HD3 channel info, but if it's not too hard, as a new HD Radio user, I'd appreciate it. I realise that the whole HD thing has yet to really take off, even given its creeping availability on various players and cars and even home type audio devices (radios, tuners...) but it seems to me that when new users go to check HD out, they shouldn't run into half-hearted efforts and presentations (web and player screen info errors/omissions).

I just heard a station's HD2 ID, followed by a voice saying, "Wow, you couldn't sound more bored!" I have a feeling there's a little more truth there than just the way the ID itself was delivered.


By the way, the radio I have is called "Mighty Red" - a limited edition version of Best Buy's "Insignia® - HD Radio Portable Player" ... apart from the name and the shiny red exterior it is the exact-same radio. Main difference is that it sold for $35 (vs $40 sale price at BB) and didn't come with the full manual. just the quick-start guide. Maybe that was because the intended target audience was radio people who might not need the full manual... except that Eric Rhoads suggested that these also be given as gifts (I gave 3 away) - The giftees are not "radio people" and might need more than just the quick-start thing.


...stepping off soapbox....
 
I have to admit that HD still leaves a bad taste in my mouth because of the interference issue, but I'm trying to stay open-minded. So I got one of those too, and I have to concur with most of what you've said, although in some cases I can't tell a lot of difference in the transition from analog to HD other than a little better high frequency response in the music and the swooshy-robotic sound of some voices. The weird voices are more obvious sometimes - I'm not sure why, but probably the program source. I have yet to decide whether the weird-sounding audio is worth the quieter background. In addition to the ones you mentioned, I also notice that 92.3's HD-2 song ID was stuck, regardless of the music playing.

I left the Bay Area a few days ago and am now in the Sierras. Sacramento has a blues channel and a comedy channel on HD-2. Both were kind of interesting at first, but now I'm starting to hear repeats. Also, the Sacramento stations have a significant problem with delay matching between analog & HD-1. The ones in the Bay Area market seem to have that down.

One real problem with my Mighty Red radio is digital self-interference. I notice that on weak signals I get a bunch of digital-type tones - similar to the sound you get when you put an FM radio close to a PC. This happens even when I'm outside, miles away from the nearest digital anything. So it has to be coming from the radio itself. I'm not sure what, if anything, can be done about it though.

Dave B.
 
Re: HD Mysteries... testing(?) on 103.7 HD2

The Band's HD2 is running mostly early Beatles tracks, with - suddenly - a Kinks track, then back to early Beatles... the signal is going from full strength to nothing, like someone is flipping an on-off switch... yet the "Theme from Shaft / Isaac Hayes" info continues for all songs.

???
 
Re: HD Mysteries... Cool Oldies 103.7 HD2

OK... definitely testing or tweaking or something here... just heard a parade of "Cool Oldies" ids between a couple of early Beatles tracks.

I guess they'll get to the title/artist info issue eventually!
 
marshallstax said:
Thanks to Radio Ink's Eric Rhoads, I finally have at-home access to HD radio channels and have been checking them out for a few days.

KFOG (104.5) HD2 - Only shows "KFOG's 10 @ 10 Station" - no "year" info for the individual "10 @ 10" segments being played.

I'm curious -- can you tell me if the 10@10s they're playing on the KFOG HD2 channel feature Dave Morey's voice? They promoted that HD2 10@10 station with much fanfare a couple years back, and they had many years worth of archived shows to work with then, but Dave's gone and Annalisa's only been doing 10@10 since June.
 
Mike said:
I'm curious -- can you tell me if the 10@10s they're playing on the KFOG HD2 channel feature Dave Morey's voice? They promoted that HD2 10@10 station with much fanfare a couple years back, and they had many years worth of archived shows to work with then, but Dave's gone and Annalisa's only been doing 10@10 since June.

Between 5:30 and 6 tonight, I heard a 1982 segment, with Don Pardo's and Dave Morey's
voices, plus a Margaret Thatcher soundbite. Both HD-2s on 104.5 (which I can only
receive here in Napa) and 97.7 (which my friend Joe hears in Santa Clara) still only show
"KFOG's 10 @ 10 Station" on the crawl...and I had problems holding the HD-2 signal
steadily tonight here in the North Bay...

The Legal I.D. that followed had Morey's voice, and the next 10 @ 10 @ 5:52 p.m. had
Pardo's voice at the start...

To hear from Joe that listens on the KFFG 97.7 HD-2, "The 10 @ 10 Station" is very
repetitious if you listen steadily to the channel. I haven't listened to this (or much HD-2,
actually) for quite awhile until this post...
--jay
 
KDFC's HD2 (and their HD1) channels were off yesterday... I called the "Studio Line" to get answers... got a recording; left a message.

Now, Sunday (6am), the HD1 is back, there's no HD2, and there is a dead-air HD3 channel showing on my "Mighty Red" HD radio.

???

--while I was writing the above, the HD3 vanished... now only KDFC HD1 coming in here (N. Berkeley).
 
Sometime on Monday, an engineer over at Entercom will get your message and go kick the various HD components. One of them may have to drive up Mt. Beacon. Might be mid-afternoon before those channels are back.
 
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