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HD Radio At R&R Convention

A few highlights from the R&R Convention in Austin. During the "HD Radio More Than What Hits Your Ears" session, Paul Brenner with Emmis made some observations:

"Brenner said HD radio is at a decision point for a lot of people, after the investment made in the technology. "As broadcasters, there hasn't been the take rate from consumers that people expected to see when we created more choices and better audio. I'm not sure there is a clear view, and, if we stay with that programming angle, does that really do anything for us?

"From what I see, there has to be more innovative things like this [other features offered through HD beside audio] to make the manufacturers and consumers willingly have HD in their device."

He indicated that there will some new features with HD Radio like Doppler weather alerts through your car's GPS.

http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/

C5
 
Carmine5 said:
A few highlights from the R&R Convention in Austin. During the "HD Radio More Than What Hits Your Ears" session, Paul Brenner with Emmis made some observations:

"Brenner said HD radio is at a decision point for a lot of people, after the investment made in the technology. "As broadcasters, there hasn't been the take rate from consumers that people expected to see when we created more choices and better audio. I'm not sure there is a clear view, and, if we stay with that programming angle, does that really do anything for us?

"From what I see, there has to be more innovative things like this [other features offered through HD beside audio] to make the manufacturers and consumers willingly have HD in their device."

He indicated that there will some new features with HD Radio like Doppler weather alerts through your car's GPS.

http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/

C5

This is what's known colloquially as a conspiracy against reality. The usual mantras "more choices" and "better audio," both of which are demonstrable lies (yep, that Irish channel in Boston is really reeling 'em in)...and they can't figure out why it's not working.

Not only is the tech flawed, but the thought (make that lack-of-thought) process behind it is flawed.
 
"New features" don't mean diddly-do if there aren't receivers out there. And there aren't any now and won't be many new receivers, because the primary function of HD doesn't work. At least not acceptably.

If listeners can't get the digital signals, HDmongers can keep hacking up the data stream four hundred different ways and it won't matter. Nobody will hear, see, use or consume the product.

Brenner's comments are a tacit admission that the crooked HD game is up. "Doppler weather radar through GPS?" Please. My 1992 Jaguar had a NOAA weather alert function that worked fine through the factory installed analog AM-FM-cassette deck. "Doppler weather" is even more obtuse than "i-Tunes tagging."
 
dumber than a box of hair said:
This is what's known colloquially as a conspiracy against reality. The usual mantras "more choices" and "better audio," both of which are demonstrable lies (yep, that Irish channel in Boston is really reeling 'em in)...and they can't figure out why it's not working.

This may be a little off toipic, but I am constantly amazed at the criticism leveled at HD subcahnnel programming. It not so much coming from one particular view. More like "Whatever it is.... I hate it and it's stupid."

We hear "It's just computerized music", "It's just formats that don't work on regular radio" (DUH) and I guess you could charaterize the above "Irish" comment as "Doesn't appeal to me".

It give me cause to ponder "What do you folks think SHOULD be on HD subcahnnels?"

I ask this, because it looks to me like the entire discussion HERE is irrelavant. Here in the "Vortex of HD negativity" ANYTHING on HD subchannels is bad.

I have often suspected the majority of people on this board are very negative to radio AS A WHOLE. Hence the ridiculous assertion "Don't fix AM fidelity - Fix AM programming". This is the same lunacy that says Music on AM died because of Rick Sklar being forced to play diisco. More than 2 decades have passed and still no AM music leader has re-emerged. Must be the lnigering effects of Disco. :)

There are people who don't like what's on the radio now. Frankly, there have ALWAYS been people who didn't like what was on the radio. But there are significantly more choices NOW then there have been in the past. The fallout of "More formats" is Less competion between direct competitors. And as anyone who has been in a classic radio war knows, nothing makes you work harder than a direct competitor. In many markets, you don't have two of most formats. Lots of competition for listeners, but limited head to head competition. Gone are the days of Wibbage and WFIL, WNBC and WABC, WLS and WCFL etc... It's probably hard to justify the Double Decker bus or even a live midnight to 6 Jock when your competition isn't doing the same format as you. More choice is what people want. But economics seems to be dictatingless listeners "PER STATION" equals lower quality per station.

Just a thought.

Clouseau
 
Well I must say Inspector you do have a point. I heard they sold an HD radio in Southie because of the Irish Channel. The Polka channel is doing well in the Green Isle section of Worcester also, I've heard that they have an HD radio in a Polish diner and there are groups of two and three every Sunday morning gathered 'round the ol' radio to dance, they also like the drop outs as these folks are, well of an advanced age and it gives them time to rest. I've also heard of people who get tired of classic rock so they put on an HD-1 channel to hear more classic rock.
As far as saying that most people here are very negative about radio as a whole is a ridiculous statement. Most of us love radio which is exactly the reason some of us ridicule HD, it doesn't work and isn't selling and is not a boon to radio AT ALL, it's the opposite. The market place has spoken and despite the best BS tactics of BIG money and BIG radio HD is a BIG bust and everyone knows it. I guess the old statement that there is a sucker born every minute doesn't apply when it comes to radio or else even the suckers can see how bad HD really is.
 
clouseau said:
There are people who don't like what's on the radio now. Frankly, there have ALWAYS been people who didn't like what was on the radio. But there are significantly more choices NOW then there have been in the past. The fallout of "More formats" is Less competion between direct competitors. And as anyone who has been in a classic radio war knows, nothing makes you work harder than a direct competitor. In many markets, you don't have two of most formats. Lots of competition for listeners, but limited head to head competition. Gone are the days of Wibbage and WFIL, WNBC and WABC, WLS and WCFL etc... It's probably hard to justify the Double Decker bus or even a live midnight to 6 Jock when your competition isn't doing the same format as you. More choice is what people want. But economics seems to be dictatingless listeners "PER STATION" equals lower quality per station.

Just a thought.

Clouseau

As I see it, one of the business problems with HD is the fact that it has the potential to further fractionalize audiences. More choices sounds like a great idea, until you discover that the listeners for those new channels had to come from somewhere. The truth is, they might come from your existing bread and butter operation.

I can see where multicasting makes sense for your typical non-commercial broadcaster. NPR stations see it as a way to satisfy their classical and jazz audiences while keeping their main channel in line with the current NPR News-Talk format. Religious broadcasters see it as an opportunity to simultaneously offer programming aimed at different groups, who may not share a common language or interests. Fair enough.

Commercial broadcasters are caught between a rock and a hard place on this one. Since deregulation brought a lot of new stations to the scene, their audience has been constantly fragmenting. In the good old days there were a handful of stations in a given market, and everyone listened to at least a few of them. Five pushbuttons on your car radio was enough. Those days are long gone. Add other audio and video distractions that didn't even exist ten years ago, and there is a potential for a very big economic problem. Some of the damage appears to be self inflicted. I have problems understanding why serious broadcasters should be excited about becoming their own competition by adding additional HD channels.

The only way I can see this working is if the new programming brings listeners back to radio. I have some experience with that. My own station plays what the Inspector referred to as an "obscure format." It's true. Nobody does Standards with the idea of getting rich quick. For us, that was never the plan. I can tell you that I have had lots of our listeners tell me that before we came along, they very seldom listened to radio. They had given up on it. In some small way, we have actually brought some listeners back to radio. HD will need to do that if it is to survive.

The problem is, like any niche market, getting advertising (or in our case, underwriting support) is difficult. Most potential sponsors are much more interested in addressing a target audience that is just entering its peak earning years, rather than looking for an audience who's next big purchase may be for a casket. It's just an economic reality. So far, I have seen very little in HD 2 or HD 3 channels that looks like it could stand on its own. Perhaps that will change.

In the mean time, the lure of additional channels seems to me to be similar to the lure of low interest rate, zero down-payment mortgages. I think we have all seen where that leads. Choice is good, but there needs to be a happy balance between the number of choices and the ability to support those choices.
 
Things have changed. People prefer to control their content, in ways that suites and mirrors their special uniqueness, and individual snowflake like tastes, and more forced fed mass media programming that “sounds better” is not what they are looking for. Though big radio didn't get that message, and I guess that’s why you can hear the same thing on AM/FM as you can on HD. ” it’s about the sound, never mind what’s playing or the fact that nobody is listening, or you can’t really pick up an HD station without a lot of trouble and hassles. I mean it’s possible, with a dish antenna mounted on the top of your car. Oh and another thing. people seem to think satellite radio and HD are the same things. Can’t really tell the difference. It's just not remarkable, sorry.
 
Chuck said:
As I see it, one of the business problems with HD is the fact that it has the potential to further fractionalize audiences. More choices sounds like a great idea, until you discover that the listeners for those new channels had to come from somewhere. The truth is, they might come from your existing bread and butter operation.
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The only way I can see this working is if the new programming brings listeners back to radio. I have some experience with that. My own station plays what the Inspector referred to as an "obscure format." It's true. Nobody does Standards with the idea of getting rich quick. For us, that was never the plan. I can tell you that I have had lots of our listeners tell me that before we came along, they very seldom listened to radio. They had given up on it. In some small way, we have actually brought some listeners back to radio. HD will need to do that if it is to survive.
In the mean time, the lure of additional channels seems to me to be similar to the lure of low interest rate, zero down-payment mortgages. I think we have all seen where that leads. Choice is good, but there needs to be a happy balance between the number of choices and the ability to support those choices.

It is a slipppery slope indeed. While I suspect most broadcasters would just as soon not mess with "Extra Channels", it's clear that ignoring new channels is a pretty bad business plan. Look at the vast majority of AM stations that passed or gave up on FM. Who doesn't agree that was a bad decision?

However, AS A BROADCASTER, it's pretty clear if the number of choices increases and the percentage of those choices you own decreases, you take in less money. Not many broadcasters are for that.

Pocket makes an interesting point about individual choices which makes me wonder where we are headed. While I beieve the "Snowflake" comparison is just crazy, there is an element of truth to it. People are a lot more individual in their tastes than they were in radio's latest "Heyday". What's interesting (at least to me) is that radio's "Personality people" have moved to the spoken word. Look at the legions that seek out people like Limbaugh and Hannity and even pay extra for Stern and O&A (Nationally). With our obsession with Hollywood, Corny Collins is out and Ryan Secrest is in, DJ wise.

I just wonder how all this fits into the big picture. Up in Houston, they've been having a little a bit of a tussle with Hurricane Ike. KTRH is the Big News station up there, but over the last few years, DUE TO DECLINING REVENUE (I would suspect), the staffing levels are way down. I've heard that TV simulcasts on FM stations have become very popular in the storm situation as well. How long before radio can't react to these type of things AT ALL? I'm already hearing the great list of thanks to all the KTRH VOLUNTEERS on the air. VOLUNTEERS? It's worrysome.

And for that matter, how about TV. If everyone utilizes a TIVO and here's not the fat revenue stream for regular programming, who pays for the news?

There's a need for critical mass to make broadcasting work.

It's a slippery slope.

Clouseau
 
It is indeed, Inspector. Not to get too far off the HD topic, but it is noteworthy that the areas of radio which continue to work most effectively embody the formats which still feature interesting and unique live personalities - hence, your very accurate observation that the most high-profile figures have morphed to spoken-word formats. This phenomenon is to be distinguished from the prevalent "jukebox" formats which, unless I'm missing something I think I'm not, is a major objection to the typical HD-2 and HD-3 formats - they totally lack compelling content.

A perfect example happens to include (imagine that!) WYSL's morning show, Quinn & Rose, syndicated from Clear Channel's WPBG Pittsburgh. 30 years ago Jim was playing tunes as my morning guy at 13Q. Now he's a network radio talk host. (Interestingly, a guy then known as Jeff Christie was cueing up 45s along with Quinn at KQV in 1968 as a part-time jock. Today you know him by his real name, "Rush Limbaugh.")

People, by nature, are social. They gravitate towards people on the radio who are interesting, engaging or - like it or not - "admirable" on a personal level (from the individual listener's perspective.) This is to be distinguished from today's typical music-format formula of "fourteen in a row, a gob of commercials, and an angry-voiced liner guy." Sorry: the vast majority of music formats found on the radio today are just plain boring.

Can we go back to 1968? Of course not. But let's be honest: what we have now isn't working. What we had then, did. Somehow we've gotta come up with a workable modification. I'd bet on more involvement from live on-air personalities providing a dimension that Sat Radio and mp3's never can or will.

And this is why HD is so irrelevant, and such a distraction, and such an obstacle to radio's reinventing itself and eventually recovering. It's a total red herring, even if it worked. Which it does not.
 
I’m a long time fan of “Local and Live,” which is often touted as the cure for what is wrong with radio. Maybe so, but I think we get ourselves in trouble every time someone decides that there is one-size-fits-all miracle cure for what ails the industry. HD stands out as the most recent example.

Back in better times, some very successful stations weren’t live at all. Various contraptions were concocted by Schaffer, Gates, IGM etc. that automated radio. Many of these stations did quite well. Others actually had a live staff but frequently sounded like they were automated. There was usually a board operator or combo man who made occasional announcements every fifteen minutes or so. The rest was music. Quite a few stations who did this had large audiences.

One automated station that I remember from a visit to Boston in the late 1960’s, made a big deal out of being automated. It was WRKO, and a synthesized voice (Sonovox probably) called itself “ARKO, the shy but friendly robot.” It worked. I’d go so far to say it was revolutionary.

Admittedly, that was a different time, but I think the real point is those stations never pretended to be anything they weren’t. I suspect most listeners really don’t mind automated radio. What they don’t like is being fooled into thinking it is something other than what it appears to be. It is possible to be local and not necessarily live. Local is good. It wins friends.
 
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