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HD Radio in Tucson

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caveman-97

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After looking all over, I finally found a store with an AM/FM HD tuner. Here's what's available in HD in Tucson.
FM: 89.1 KUAZ Has side channel with pop music but announcer speaks Spanish.
90.5 KUAT Has side channel that relays main channel of KUAZ
 
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92.9 KMTN Has side channel with smooth jazz
93.7 KRQQ Has side channel that relays 97.1
94.9 KMXZ No side channel
98.3 KOHT Has side channel with pop music featuring black artists. No rap.
HD disappears if KRDX is on the air.
104.1 KQTH No side channel
AM dial:
790 KNST Get no static from Rush. wow!
1450 KWFM jokes are so much funnier in HD.
1600 KXEW You get your Tejano in stereo.
Additional comments:
Earlier this year Clear Channel announced that Allen Michaels and the sixties rock was going to the HD side channel on 97.1. But that station isn't even using HD
Of all these stations, the one most improved by HD would be Tejano 1600. The audio on HD isn't significantly better than with analog FM
Is it any wonder that HD radios aren't selling?
 
Another fraud that radio let slip by and now nobody has interest in buying, most cars will now have hook up for phones and ipods, etc....but no factory HD. :mad:
 
I've said this on another board, and I'll say it again here. I'd be a true believer in HD Radio, but the hardware is just too awful.

A couple months ago, I found a special on the Gigaware HD Radio add on for the iPhone. I was able to get it for $17 at Radio Shack, and the app is free. I figured it was worth a try at that price. So, I went to Rat Shack and picked one up. The staff there didn't really know about HD Radio, and it took about 20 minutes of both of us scouring the store to find one of the two units they had left in stock. I'll cut them some slack about brand awareness. After all, there are only two stations where I live that broadcast in HD, and the online campaign is pretty anemic.

So, I tried it out and found some good, some bad, and a whole lot of ugly.

The good: The radio tuner is easily the best one in my house. Yes, really. I have no trouble picking up a station 64 miles away, and the only antenna it uses is my headphones. I can also plug some computer speakers into my HD Radio adapter, and I get the same results. The HD component of it works reasonably well, too. For the most part, the actual tuning capability they promised on the unit works as advertised.

The bad: The HD component can't decode one of the two local stations that broadcasts in HD. I'll cut them some slack on that since I live just outside (1-2 miles) of its city grade signal contour. HD Radio isn't something you're supposed to expect to get outside of city grade. Besides, it's a True Oldies affiliate and has no HD-2 stream. Some loss! I also took it to Kansas City about a month ago and found it did an admirable job with most of the local stations. It was, however, able to find an HD stream for KCUR 89.3 but never could decode it despite being just a few miles away from the transmitter. The Gigaware HD tuner also doesn't offer AM, though I'm not sure that's a very big loss.

The ugly: Beyond the tuning ability of the radio, it's absolute junk. Tagging a song crashes the app more often than not. I hope you don't plan on listening to a single station for very long. Listening for more than a few minutes will freeze the in-app tuner. The kicker, however, is that the app will disconnect from the unit every 10 minutes like clockwork. You can get around it by not letting your iPhone sleep and not locking it, but that depletes your battery faster, and you can pretty well forget putting it in your pocket and using it as your radio when going for a walk or hitting the exercise equipment at the gym.

HD Radio had some potential. It might be something that could make a comeback, but Ibiquity is going to have to invest something in its product. Simply put, people aren't going to shell out money for something that doesn't work, and you can't blame most car manufacturers and other EOM device manufacturers for not wanting to invest in crap. I don't blame them for not putting HD Radios in their cars when, if they work like my Gigaware tuner, they'll break before the end of the warranty, which means the manufacturers will be on the hook to fix them.
 
No disrespect, but who and why would someone spend their hard earned money on a HD radio. You shouldn't have to. Does anyone remember "Quad-Stereo". 'Nuff said. After some time away from Tucson I return to find the same old radio. I guess if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Is that what this markets radio station all about? I travel for my job, and many cities,about the same size have much better and more variety than my home town of Tucson has to offer. I STILL cannot understand why a city of this size with the demographic of the people does not have an OLDIES station.Why didn't one of the non-performing fm stations switch to a format that adults will listen to and advertisers will pay to be on the station.I haven't heard anything about Allan Michaels, Jim Bednarik, Ac Cook among others. What are these dj's doing and are they still in Tucson or elsewhere being a DJ. Some of these people on the air just shouldn't be.
 
youngturk said:
Why didn't one of the non-performing fm stations switch to a format that adults will listen to and advertisers will pay to be on the station.I haven't heard anything about Allan Michaels, Jim Bednarik, Ac Cook among others. What are these dj's doing and are they still in Tucson or elsewhere being a DJ. Some of these people on the air just shouldn't be.
Wow... :eek: Just soooo many topics here to choose from.

Could it all boil down to market consolidation?
 
Jim Bednarek: DJ Service/Wedding Coordinator Biz & Host of "Your Classic Pop Connection" on AM/690 KCEE, Sundays, Noon-3pm. Playing "Pop" & "Oldies" hits. (Streams online in stereo too) 8)
 
Alan Michaels sells advertising space for the company that does bus benches in Tucson.

AC Cook sells advertising for Journal Broadcast Group.

The problem with oldies is: It doesn't cater to a desired demographic for advertisers anymore. That's why the number of oldies stations around the country continues to decline. 1950's music appeals to people now in their 60's and 70's, 60's music people in their 50's and 60's. Radio advertisers want 25-54 year olds. The oldies audience has gotten older than that.

1970's and 1980's music is the new oldies... and that's covered pretty well in this market.
 
And Beethoven appeals to people over the age of 200.
 
caveman-97 said:
And Beethoven appeals to people over the age of 200.
Typically on listener-supported public stations, where ratings really don't matter. :-\
 
Here's the other thing about HD radios: A by-product of the use of that Texas Instruments chip is unbelieveable image rejection, sensitivity and alternate channel selectivity on standard analog FM, even when used in a 'walkman-type' headphone radio. On my JVC HD car radio, I'm able to tune in first adjacent freqs even when there's a 100,000 watt local right next door. It's spooky. And, if there's no signal there, I get tuner noise and not a trace of the big signal on the adjacent! Even if HD radio tanks, I hope manufacturers continue to use the chip in standard analog fm radios.
 
A very recent development is that the two Journal stations that were in HD, Mix and Truth, are no longer HD. I'm not sure if this is intentional or an equipment failure. That leaves only the Clear Channel stations in Tucson.

BTW I know some people in their twenties who like 1960s rock.
 
The issue with HD radio is CONTENT. It is hard to believe that major broadcasters made a huge investment in HD technology and didn't have a plan to implement compelling programming. This isn't cheap stuff. A lot of money has flowed into the pockets of Ibucksquity. The only people that are enthused about this failure are the gang at NAB, Eric Rhodes, and the Ibucksquity conglomerate making money off of licensing fees. It's really too bad because HD could have filled some format holes like Classic Country, 50's-60's oldies, M-O-R, easy listening, smooth jazz, and some other genres not covered by the traditional FM OTA band.

I've had my JVC HD radio since 2006 and have seen HD stations go by the wayside. As for AM HD... GET RID OF IT!!! It just smells.

And yes Caveman, even teens like Oldies & Classic Rock.
 
I have to say the logic I had in buying the HD Radio add on for the iPhone was that $17 was a decent price to try out the technology. It's not like I'm on a tight budget, and I probably waste $17 most months anyway. Besides, when I think about how much of my money I let my ex burn through, $17 isn't that big of a deal.

I do have one addition to my comments of a week or two ago. An update came out for the HD Radio app that eliminated the crash it experienced every 10 minutes like clockwork. I've been listening to KTXR 101.3 HD2 (Springfield, MO) for the last hour with it, and I've had no problems. The app still isn't perfect; it doesn't like to change stations when listening to an HD stream unless it's to another HD feed of the same station. It also doesn't seem to allow bookmarking anything other than the primary station. However, I'd say I got my $17 worth if I can listen long term, and, as you might imagine, I hope it continues to work at least this week once IOS 5 comes out.

The sound quality of KTXR HD2 sounds about the same as any analog signal. It's definitely not CD quality, but it sounds better than an internet stream. I don't think I'd pay $100 for an HD Radio, but the $17 I spent seems pretty worthwhile now.
 
Not that very many people care, but Journal's Mix and Truth are back in HD.

The side channel of Clear Channel's 98.3 has an RDS message that is stuck on "Jacksons--Lovely One" no matter what song they are really playing. That's been going on for at least two weeks.

In Phoenix, nearly every FM uses HD. Several use the side channels as translators for co-owned AM stations. There's also a side channel with all Mormon programming and another one with country music from the 1980s and 1990s.
 
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