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HD Radio increasing FM adjacent channel digital noise

Does this show iBiquity's new FM emissions mask, that they just supplied to the FCC, in response to being taken off the FCC's agenda ?
 
This is the new interference mask, showing a proposed increase in adjacent channel jamming for FM.
I'm not sure if it is in response to, or one of the causes that the FCC took HD Radio/iBiquity/IBOC off the agenda.
It is enough to say it is off the FCC agenda. GOOD RIDDANCE, AND, HOPEFULLY, GOODBYE!
Responses to the last FCC public inquiry were heavily against the iBiquity "HD Radio" adjacent channel system.
The counter arguement from the iBiqutious, was to call the opponents and public names such as "ignorent" rather then providing any sane respose that would remedy the severe misrepresentations and defects in the proposed HD Radio system.
 
"The counter arguement from the iBiqutious, was to call the opponents and public names such as "ignorent" rather then providing any sane respose that would remedy the severe misrepresentations and defects in the proposed HD Radio system."

Great, Who's calling others names here? Step away from the radio and grow up.
 
Still no intellegent, relevant response to all HD Radio's fatal defects?
Just more rancor.
HD Radio is going down in flames!
Here is a quote from member "vsa":
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Here's the word from KMXE's chief engineer as he told me personally. Some HD equipment had fried awhile back - not very different from your KTNQ's HD equipment that also fried. After a forced return to analog while they awaited a new unit, the new owners (also the owners of the Los Angeles Angels) agreed with their CE's advice and have decided to keep KMXE analog-only for the forseeable future. They have increased the audio bandwidth well beyond HD's 5khz. They are very pleased with the results since they dumped HD. The decision had NOTHING to do with HD suitability. Their CE says HD is a big disappointment and also causes way too much adjacent channel noise. He says HD Radio is not even close to what had always been promised!

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A technology has to be pretty awful for a station to first spend the kind of money they must do to go HD, then to feel happy about dropping it!

Every "off-the-record" conversation I've had with radio engineers in Los Angeles, the verdict is unanimous so far. HD Radio is a dog!
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http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,40571.140.html
 
The only fcatual response that matters is that HD radio is going ahead and spreading to more stations. Don't like that answer? It really doesn't matter.
 
So, if there is no public interest, there are no HD/IBOC radios - moot point ! And, many stations have already turned off their HD/IBOC exciters - WLW being one of them (too bad, I personally corresponded with them a couple of weeks ago) !

AND, check out my new thread, about CCrane's new WI-FI Internet radio - impressive technology ! Blows HD/IBOC away !
 
So, who cares. There are more IBOC radios coming on the market and stations are popping up, I was just in Worcester Mass today and although I could hear WCBS AM at 880 I had no trouble hearing the local 890 with no interference from 880's sidebands. Tell me where i can buy a Wi-Fi radio for the car and what I have to do to get Wi-fi service covering the entire NY metro market and I'll go out tomorrow to buy one. You've been proven wrong over and over, but who cares. IBOC is gaining strength in the great North East.
 
autopaint-1,

Moot point - who's listening, no HD/IBOC radios, no one cares, no public interest, no interest from retailers or car manufacturers. Again, this week's 20 page fliers for Best Buy and Curcuit City had whole pages for iPods and satellite radios, but NO NO NO mention of HD radios ! Get it ?
 
Look, I don't know how David puts up with this. I think he is a very patient person and doesn't mind the debate. I am tired of reading your babblings and quick silly retorts. You have a right to say what you will but to say that my comment is a moot point is an insult to me and my personal observations. You sir have no experience with IBOC or with broadcasting for that matter. You don't work in the industry and have no basis for drawing. From what I've read you work in software. You sir can make all the “nobody's listening” statements you wish but the fact is that you are wrong. Not that I care but it will be interesting to read what you have to say in a few years. Somehow I don't think you will change your tune because you obviously are getting some enjoyment out of adding nothing to the discussion here other than providing links for anti IBOC articles. You bring no qualifications to the table so maybe the best thing I could do for myself is ignore you. Do me a favor though, ignore me as well. If I post something act as if I didn’t write anything. That way I can comment on interesting IBOC developments without having to deal with your comments first. Very sad indeed.
 
Why, are you taking this all so personally - I am not attacking anyone, just HD Radio. These silly articles are written by silly professionals - I don't see you, or David, backing up any of your statements. I have been a SW listener for 30 years, and I don't need to be an expert, as you and David, in HD Radio, to be able to draw conclusions from professionally written articles - besides your posts are only from personal experience - that makes you an expert ?

Besides this is fun - I love a good heathy debate ! Anyone considering purchasing an HD Radio, needs to know, what a dog this technology is - and believe me, my battle has just begun !

BTW, take a trip over to Google Group, rec.radio.shortwave, and see what kind of warm welcome, David and this dog of a technology, has received !
 
SayNoToIBOC said:
Why, are you taking this all so personally - I am not attacking anyone, just HD Radio. These silly articles are written by silly professionals - I don't see you, or David, backing up any of your statements. I have been a SW listener for 30 years, and I don't need to be an expert, as you and David, in HD Radio, to be able to draw conclusions from professionally written articles - besides your posts are only from personal experience - that makes you an expert ?

Besides this is fun - I love a good heathy debate ! Anyone considering purchasing an HD Radio, needs to know, what a dog this technology is - and believe me, my battle has just begun !

BTW, take a trip over to Google Group, rec.radio.shortwave, and see what kind of warm welcome, David and this dog of a technology, has received !
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You are painfully ill-informed. rec.radio.shortwave is NOT a Google group. It is a Usenet group, best read with a newsreader, not a browser. Usenet groups have been around for much longer than Google.

I was listening to the programming on the HD-2 channels in LA on Friday. There is some honestly interesting stuff, better done than XM or the internet feeds. The quality is vastly better than the lossy XM and Sirius audio, and certainly exceeded the web streams I am accoustomed to. Did I say it was free?

There is nothing that is being used that is hurt by HD. Listeners do not tune to adjacent channels to thier locals for AM or FM listening. Listeners essentially give zero listening to AMs outside the 50 mv/m contour daytime and most listening in metros is to the 10 mv/m countroru or higher. Night skywave is of no interest to 99.5% of US radio stations. And the few remaining that get any skywave propagation can not monetized this, so it is of no business value.

Finally, I am a professional with similar qualifications, if not better than some, to the people writing abut HD. However, supporting some thing new seems unpopular around these parts... apparently there are too many ugly DXers areound... those who forget that DXing developed as a symbiotic relationship with broadcasters, not a hostile one. The hobby is an anachronism, so let us in radio do what we have to do to not become the same thing.
 
Let's not get flippent- that's is how I access it, and it is listed under Google. Again, all this is just YOUR personal opinion. You see David, and others will as well, your are nit-picking at peoples' posts, because you are running out of steam, and that is all you have left to do (this was also mentioned, on rec.radio.shortwave). Trying to make me look stupid, is not going to discount the articles, that I have posted. Really David, as a Univision executive, you should be setting a professional example, if you are trying to gain interest in HD Radio. Boy, if I saw an executive acting like that, I certainly wouldn't be buying their products. Also, someone on rec.radio.shortwave, looked up your picture on the NAB site, and said that they were surprised that you were older - I was under the impression, that you were younger, too. It looks like Mark Ramsey is a bit smarter - he was one of the first, to start a consulting business in the audio entertainment industry, and successful, at that (especially, as a CBS Radio consultant).
 
So he was a CBS radio consultant? Was he the one who suggested that CBS FM dump a successful 30 year old format for Jack which has lost incredible sums of money and will be dropped soon. Of is he the one who took two other NY FM properties and ran them into a wall. All three NY CBS radio properties are dogs, thanks to some terrific moves. Is Mr. Ramsey still consulting CBS Radio?
 
autopaint-1 wrote:"So he was a CBS radio consultant? Was he the one who suggested that CBS FM dump a successful 30 year old format for Jack which has lost incredible sums of money and will be dropped soon. Of is he the one who took two other NY FM properties and ran them into a wall. All three NY CBS radio properties are dogs, thanks to some terrific moves. Is Mr. Ramsey still consulting CBS Radio?"

I don't know - why, don't you email him ? :D
 
Why should I? That would give him credability. You are the one using others comments for your own. You should be able to give me any answer I request on this subject. You claim to have all the answers.
 
I wonder...

If you're in a "radio battle" over something like this, is it required that you put spaces before exclamation points? I want to get all the rules right.

:)
 
What rules? The moderator allows this nonesense to go on for weeks. This was an HD radio board. We've talked about everything but except to spend time defending HD's right to exist.. As I stated earlier, there may be two people at most who post under different names repeating the same linked anti IBOC mantra. WABC is running IBOC in NYC. I listened today on both my Receptor in HD and a Sperradio in analogue and tuned correctly. There was no trace of the IBOC sidebands heard on the superradio. I didn't try the radio in wideband mode. No other commercial radio which people use in their car or their homes has that kind of wide band filtering anyway.
 
I haven't done any detailed checking of our local HD FMs (we have about a half-dozen now in this region), but I haven't heard any adjacent channel noise on the FM side of things. And I haven't heard of any independent observation of same.

On AM? Sure. I heard it myself on our local Clear Channel news/talk powerhouse, WTAM/1100, just yesterday.

Haven't heard the "sideband" noise on FM, though...and I have a Superradio III as well.
 
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