HD Radio is getting popular!

[Don Juannn]

You know what? This thread graphically illustrates why HD is going nowhere. Your HD doesn't work? It's the radios. It's the digital power levels being too low. It's interference. It's the headset cord-antenna that needs to be adjusted or stretched out or something. It's terrain obstructions. It's the station engineer not keeping the delay for the analog in sync. It's the firmware upgrades. It's....blah, blah, blah.....

The listeners and advertisers don't care about the reasons.

Sounds like the same reasons they can't hear your station at night in Rochester.

 

[Tom Wells]

You know what? This thread graphically illustrates why HD is going nowhere. Your HD doesn't work? It's the radios. It's the digital power levels being too low. It's interference. It's the headset cord-antenna that needs to be adjusted or stretched out or something. It's terrain obstructions. It's the station engineer not keeping the delay for the analog in sync. It's the firmware upgrades. It's....blah, blah, blah.....

The listeners and advertisers don't care about the reasons.

Sounds like the same reasons they can't hear your station at night in Rochester.

A general lack of civilized behavior combined with operating standards that offers dial neighbor all the advantages
of Soviet-volume jamming?

 

[Don Juannn]

You know what? This thread graphically illustrates why HD is going nowhere. Your HD doesn't work? It's the radios. It's the digital power levels being too low. It's interference. It's the headset cord-antenna that needs to be adjusted or stretched out or something. It's terrain obstructions. It's the station engineer not keeping the delay for the analog in sync. It's the firmware upgrades. It's....blah, blah, blah.....

The listeners and advertisers don't care about the reasons.

Sounds like the same reasons they can't hear your station at night in Rochester.

A general lack of civilized behavior combined with operating standards that offers dial neighbor all the advantages of Soviet-volume jamming?

No...crappy facilities that should have never been built....and never built with the apparent expectations that gave root to the idea.

 

[stacker]

D.J. said,

No...crappy facilities that should have never been built....and never built with the apparent expectations that gave root to the idea

Obviously that statement is a cheap shot. The Commission's AM allocation scheme is designed to regulate interference (both given and received). Without that regulation, no one would invest in new stations or facility improvements. And those new stations and/or improvements are in the public interest, or they would not have been granted.

The problem is that the Commission, by allowing IBOC, changed the rules for the interfering station without giving due regard to the station(s) receiving the interference. The power level of a digital signal within the NRSC mask is many, many times higher than the occasional analog peaks within the mask. It's not a tough issue to comprehend, you can do the math yourself. Calculate the energy in the sideband at 10 khz removed from the carrier. Run a RSS study for that frequency and see if it would fit under the existing allocation rules as a new analog service. You'll find that it will fail in almost all cases.

AM stations are now receiving interference from IBOC operators within their nighttime non interference contour. This is because any new signal, on channel or adjacent, raises the overall noise floor. In addition, many stations are seeing dramatically increased interference during critical hours due to the high energy digital sidebands of the interfering station beating against those of the local signal.

This whole mess was never thought through. Ibiquity had a good idea, but unfortunately it's the wrong idea. And too late, to boot.

 

[KB1OKL]

D.J. said,

No...crappy facilities that should have never been built....and never built with the apparent expectations that gave root to the idea

Obviously that statement is a cheap shot.

IBOC defenders all resort to cheap shots eventually, some sooner and some later because they know there are no positive technical reasons they can offer to defend IBOC. Instead of offering an apology because their whooshy, buzzy, hashy too wide sidebands are covering up your station they deny your right to exist.

 

[JimmyJames]

And you deny theirs.

 

[KB1OKL]

And you deny theirs.

Deny their ostensible right to hash all over their adjacents? All I'm doing is asking the FCC to do their job.

 

[Don Juannn]

D.J. said,

No...crappy facilities that should have never been built....and never built with the apparent expectations that gave root to the idea

Obviously that statement is a cheap shot.

IBOC defenders all resort to cheap shots eventually, some sooner and some later because they...

Well, one cheap shot deserves another. HD Haterz can't see all the cheap shots they've sent the other way.

But all radio is subject to outside factors....the ones Savage mentioned above....are some of the same things that interfere with his ability to cover Rochester at night.

But HD Haterz can't see themselves calling the kettle black!

 

[Don Juannn]

D.J. said,

This whole mess was never thought through. Ibiquity had a good idea, but unfortunately it's the wrong idea. And too late, to boot.

Sure, let's go back to the days of the clear channels! One station per frequency! No adjacents!

While we're at it...let's do away with stereo on FM since that degrades the signal too!

Anything to maintain the purity of the dial!

 

[Don Juannn]

And you deny theirs.

Deny their ostensible right to hash all over their adjacents? All I'm doing is asking the FCC to do their job.

Their job is to draw the line somewhere....and they have.

Not to protect signals to infinity and beyond.

 

[Savage]

A couple of observations, everyone: get a sense of "where we are today with HD" by checking the thread down in TIO - transplanted from the Providence discussion board - titled "HD Radios for $39 at Best Buy." Most of HD's former defenders heard on this board over the past four years have moved on - as has most of the industry. The Providence comments pretty much nail down the current state of HD.

And while we're mentioning TIO - I note the return of the self-described Lothario and King of TIO spewing his usual scattershot insults at anyone who disagrees with him.

It's significant to note the number of threads in TIO which prominently feature you-know-who. I move we all just ignore him going forward. Do I hear a second? All in favor say Aye.

 

[KB1OKL]

A couple of observations, everyone: get a sense of "where we are today with HD" by checking the thread down in TIO - transplanted from the Providence discussion board - titled "HD Radios for $39 at Best Buy." Most of HD's former defenders heard on this board over the past four years have moved on - as has most of the industry. The Providence comments pretty much nail down the current state of HD.

And while we're mentioning TIO - I note the return of the self-described Lothario and King of TIO spewing his usual scattershot insults at anyone who disagrees with him.

It's significant to note the number of threads in TIO which prominently feature you-know-who. I move we all just ignore him going forward. Do I hear a second? All in favor say Aye.

Aye.

 

[Don Juannn]

And while we're mentioning TIO - I note the return of the self-described Lothario and King of TIO spewing his usual scattershot insults at anyone who disagrees with him.

Pot...meet Mr. Kettle.

You're a riot!

You know what they say, if you can't stand the heat......

 

[local oscillator]

A couple of observations, everyone: get a sense of "where we are today with HD" by checking the thread down in TIO - transplanted from the Providence discussion board - titled "HD Radios for $39 at Best Buy." Most of HD's former defenders heard on this board over the past four years have moved on - as has most of the industry. The Providence comments pretty much nail down the current state of HD.

And while we're mentioning TIO - I note the return of the self-described Lothario and King of TIO spewing his usual scattershot insults at anyone who disagrees with him.

It's significant to note the number of threads in TIO which prominently feature you-know-who. I move we all just ignore him going forward. Do I hear a second? All in favor say Aye.

Aye.

 

[Don Juannn]

A couple of observations, everyone: get a sense of "where we are today with HD" by checking the thread down in TIO - transplanted from the Providence discussion board - titled "HD Radios for $39 at Best Buy." Most of HD's former defenders heard on this board over the past four years have moved on - as has most of the industry. The Providence comments pretty much nail down the current state of HD.

And while we're mentioning TIO - I note the return of the self-described Lothario and King of TIO spewing his usual scattershot insults at anyone who disagrees with him.

It's significant to note the number of threads in TIO which prominently feature you-know-who. I move we all just ignore him going forward. Do I hear a second? All in favor say Aye.

Aye.

And all the HD Haterz said...AYE! LOL!

 

[tomservo]

There's a new major electronics chain called HHGregg. I went to one of their stores and saw no HD radios in there, and
I would have to disagree with Nick about HD Radio's popularity.

Crutchfield - check
Amazon.com - check
Best Buy - check
Local stereo store - check
Hi-Fi Buys/Tweeter - check
HHGregg - nope

Wow, that's really saying something. Not. I went in an HH Gregg once and walked right back out. If your idea of a major electronics store is TV and washing machines and toasters, it'll be heaven. I don't recall seeing any stereos, or speakers, or even any turntables or CD players. Was I missing something? There were no computers, or music/movies or even any car stereos that I could find.

If you're gonna dis the HD product, point out that it isn't available at Target or Wal-Mart. At least that's a valid assertion. Friggin' Wal-Mart carries the iPhone for heaven's sake.

On an unrelated note, HD is so popular that down here on the coast, all the stations (both Crap Channel and Crumulus-run) have decided that they don't need to have sync, so the digital and analog audio's anywhere from 3-6+ seconds off on ALL the stations. It's like it happened all at once overnight. Several dropped subchannels in the process.

The technical failure of HD continues apace, it's sooo popular! :

 

[ddsparxx]

Crutchfield - check
Amazon.com - check
Best Buy - check
Local stereo store - check
Hi-Fi Buys/Tweeter - check
HHGregg - nope

Wow, that's really saying something.Not.

My saying was based on what i've seen. I don't know anyone who owns an HD radio product and I've never seen anyone carry an Insignia portable with him or her. In a place like Gulf Coast or NJ I might be wrong about HD's unpopularity.
I, too, have heard a couple of Crummy Channel stations in the DC area be out of sync.

 

[Don Juannn]

Crutchfield - check
Amazon.com - check
Best Buy - check
Local stereo store - check
Hi-Fi Buys/Tweeter - check
HHGregg - nope

Wow, that's really saying something.Not.

My saying was based on what i've seen. I don't know anyone who owns an HD radio product and I've never seen anyone carry an Insignia portable with him or her. In a place like Gulf Coast or NJ I might be wrong about HD's unpopularity.
I, too, have heard a couple of Crummy Channel stations in the DC area be out of sync.

Doesn't matter. It's not out to replace regular broadcasting...it's just there to supplement it.

It doesn't need to be the next iPod to be successful....

 

[stacker]

I move we all just ignore him going forward. Do I hear a second? All in favor say Aye.

Hell yes. (Aye).

The King Of TIO has nothing to add...No technical background...No policy insight...just knee jerk pot stirring.

Bye bye Juannn, it's off to Juan-tonimo for you.

 

[Don Juannn]

The King Of TIO has nothing to add...

LOL! Yet you keep coming back for more! Most of you HD Haterz can't stand anyone with a differeing opinion...or at least anyone with any experience within the industry! ;-)

No policy insight...just knee jerk pot stirring.

Lots of policy insight. Pot...meet Kettle....Kettle, meet Pot!






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