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DStroyerNEPA
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> 24/7 on 104.9 in South Jersey
This sucks!! Now I won't be able to DX 104.7 KNDR in Mandan, North Dakota anymore!!
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D. Stroyer
Celebrating 10 years of idle radio message board speculation.</P>
This sucks!! Now I won't be able to DX 104.7 KNDR in Mandan, North Dakota anymore!!
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D. Stroyer
Celebrating 10 years of idle radio message board speculation.</P>
New hobby ... I just invented it ... HDX !
Actually with my HD tuner in the car, I can
hear adjacents easily. 98.9 Philly and 99.1 Zarephath
no problem at all in the middle.
> > 24/7 on 104.9 in South Jersey
>
> This sucks!! Now I won't be able to DX 104.7 KNDR in
> Mandan, North Dakota anymore!!
>
> < /sarcasm >
>
Actually with my HD tuner in the car, I can
hear adjacents easily. 98.9 Philly and 99.1 Zarephath
no problem at all in the middle.
> > 24/7 on 104.9 in South Jersey
>
> This sucks!! Now I won't be able to DX 104.7 KNDR in
> Mandan, North Dakota anymore!!
>
> < /sarcasm >
>
M
Mike
Guest
What is the difference?
Between HD Radio and non-HD radio?
Between HD Radio and non-HD radio?
Re: What is the difference?
HD Radio is a second digital signal that
rides next to the main signal. You can
have several formats on it. The main one
matches the main channel, the others can
be other non-related formats. It is
better sounding and noise-free.
It also makes AM sound like FM.
You need a new radio - it doesn't
affect the normal signal - it sounds
like it always did (on FM)
> Between HD Radio and non-HD radio?
>
HD Radio is a second digital signal that
rides next to the main signal. You can
have several formats on it. The main one
matches the main channel, the others can
be other non-related formats. It is
better sounding and noise-free.
It also makes AM sound like FM.
You need a new radio - it doesn't
affect the normal signal - it sounds
like it always did (on FM)
> Between HD Radio and non-HD radio?
>
B
BobAltimari
Guest
> New hobby ... I just invented it ... HDX !
> Actually with my HD tuner in the car, I can
> hear adjacents easily. 98.9 Philly and 99.1 Zarephath
> no problem at all in the middle.
>
> > > 24/7 on 104.9 in South Jersey
> >
> > This sucks!! Now I won't be able to DX 104.7 KNDR in
> > Mandan, North Dakota anymore!!
> >
> > < /sarcasm >
> >
>
What's SOJO-HD2 currently running?<P ID="signature">______________
I've done it all...HOO HOO...tell 'em, Fred!
FOX News Alert: YOU SUCK!!! Ya like apples?</P>
> Actually with my HD tuner in the car, I can
> hear adjacents easily. 98.9 Philly and 99.1 Zarephath
> no problem at all in the middle.
>
> > > 24/7 on 104.9 in South Jersey
> >
> > This sucks!! Now I won't be able to DX 104.7 KNDR in
> > Mandan, North Dakota anymore!!
> >
> > < /sarcasm >
> >
>
What's SOJO-HD2 currently running?<P ID="signature">______________
I've done it all...HOO HOO...tell 'em, Fred!
FOX News Alert: YOU SUCK!!! Ya like apples?</P>
There are a few, Crutchfield sells the Kenwood
tuner for the cars. Boston Acoustics has a
table radio, it's pretty pricy at $ 299.
Hopefully this will take off and the prices
will come down.
> > 24/7 on 104.9 in South Jersey
> >
> Are HD Radios available here in the US yet? If so, how much
> do they cost and how do you get one. The stores don't sell
> them yet.
>
> Jim
>
tuner for the cars. Boston Acoustics has a
table radio, it's pretty pricy at $ 299.
Hopefully this will take off and the prices
will come down.
> > 24/7 on 104.9 in South Jersey
> >
> Are HD Radios available here in the US yet? If so, how much
> do they cost and how do you get one. The stores don't sell
> them yet.
>
> Jim
>
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westlife
Guest
> There are a few, Crutchfield sells the Kenwood
> tuner for the cars. Boston Acoustics has a
> table radio, it's pretty pricy at $ 299.
> Hopefully this will take off and the prices
> will come down.
The prices will come down even more -- as close-out specials -- if Highly Distorted Radio doesn't take off.
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"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P>
> tuner for the cars. Boston Acoustics has a
> table radio, it's pretty pricy at $ 299.
> Hopefully this will take off and the prices
> will come down.
The prices will come down even more -- as close-out specials -- if Highly Distorted Radio doesn't take off.
<P ID="signature">______________
"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P>
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westlife
Guest
Re: HD Radio Dead
> Exactly. Do you have a radio ? Have you actually listened
> to it ?
No. Why spend $300 - $1000 to hear the exact same garbage I'm hearing now on my regular radios? The "HD2" and "HD3" channels are useless, too, because most of them are streamed online for free -- and none are nearly as exceptional and groundbreaking as they claim to be, anyway.
Maybe when prices of Huge Disaster Radio-equipped receivers are slashed to one-tenth of their current sticker values, I'd have some interest. Until then, no way!
<P ID="signature">______________
"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P>
> Exactly. Do you have a radio ? Have you actually listened
> to it ?
No. Why spend $300 - $1000 to hear the exact same garbage I'm hearing now on my regular radios? The "HD2" and "HD3" channels are useless, too, because most of them are streamed online for free -- and none are nearly as exceptional and groundbreaking as they claim to be, anyway.
Maybe when prices of Huge Disaster Radio-equipped receivers are slashed to one-tenth of their current sticker values, I'd have some interest. Until then, no way!
<P ID="signature">______________
"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P>
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raydofan
Guest
What is the bitrate for the HD-1?
> No HD-2 at this point. HD-2 (and 3 and 4)
> detract from the quality of the main channel.
>
> >
> > What's SOJO-HD2 currently running?
> >
>
> No HD-2 at this point. HD-2 (and 3 and 4)
> detract from the quality of the main channel.
>
> >
> > What's SOJO-HD2 currently running?
> >
>
Re: HD Radio Dead
As I suspected. It's not quite fair to call it
"High Distortion" when you haven't driven around
listening to how good it actually sounds.
Don't let the specs fool you - it's better than
normal FM in many ways. I'm not defending the
content, but the technology isn't bad at all.
I also agree that the receiver manufacturers
are only going to give this so much time, like
they did with AM Stereo.
> > Exactly. Do you have a radio ? Have you actually
> listened
> > to it ?
>
> No. Why spend $300 - $1000 to hear the exact same garbage
> I'm hearing now on my regular radios? The "HD2" and "HD3"
> channels are useless, too, because most of them are streamed
> online for free -- and none are nearly as exceptional and
> groundbreaking as they claim to be, anyway.
>
> Maybe when prices of Huge Disaster Radio-equipped receivers
> are slashed to one-tenth of their current sticker values,
> I'd have some interest. Until then, no way!
>
As I suspected. It's not quite fair to call it
"High Distortion" when you haven't driven around
listening to how good it actually sounds.
Don't let the specs fool you - it's better than
normal FM in many ways. I'm not defending the
content, but the technology isn't bad at all.
I also agree that the receiver manufacturers
are only going to give this so much time, like
they did with AM Stereo.
> > Exactly. Do you have a radio ? Have you actually
> listened
> > to it ?
>
> No. Why spend $300 - $1000 to hear the exact same garbage
> I'm hearing now on my regular radios? The "HD2" and "HD3"
> channels are useless, too, because most of them are streamed
> online for free -- and none are nearly as exceptional and
> groundbreaking as they claim to be, anyway.
>
> Maybe when prices of Huge Disaster Radio-equipped receivers
> are slashed to one-tenth of their current sticker values,
> I'd have some interest. Until then, no way!
>
I don't know for sure, maybe 96K.
All I know is that I have a decent Kenwood
radio in the car and all of the HD stations
sound very good. No noise, good separation,
high quality. It's not MP3 technology, so
bitrate doesn't tell the whole story.
> What is the bitrate for the HD-1?
>
>
>
> > No HD-2 at this point. HD-2 (and 3 and 4)
> > detract from the quality of the main channel.
> >
> > >
> > > What's SOJO-HD2 currently running?
> > >
> >
>
All I know is that I have a decent Kenwood
radio in the car and all of the HD stations
sound very good. No noise, good separation,
high quality. It's not MP3 technology, so
bitrate doesn't tell the whole story.
> What is the bitrate for the HD-1?
>
>
>
> > No HD-2 at this point. HD-2 (and 3 and 4)
> > detract from the quality of the main channel.
> >
> > >
> > > What's SOJO-HD2 currently running?
> > >
> >
>
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raydofan
Guest
96K can sound OK, but if you degrade from that,it sounds like crap. So why the rush for all these other stations to put -2 and -3 signals up on their signals? KInda defeats the purpose.
I would love to hear a 44.1 wav file aircheck of about 5 minutes, if you would put it up on yousend it.com (that is, if it is possible to record form this device.)
> I don't know for sure, maybe 96K.
> All I know is that I have a decent Kenwood
> radio in the car and all of the HD stations
> sound very good. No noise, good separation,
> high quality. It's not MP3 technology, so
> bitrate doesn't tell the whole story.
>
> > What is the bitrate for the HD-1?
> >
> >
> >
> > > No HD-2 at this point. HD-2 (and 3 and 4)
> > > detract from the quality of the main channel.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What's SOJO-HD2 currently running?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
I would love to hear a 44.1 wav file aircheck of about 5 minutes, if you would put it up on yousend it.com (that is, if it is possible to record form this device.)
> I don't know for sure, maybe 96K.
> All I know is that I have a decent Kenwood
> radio in the car and all of the HD stations
> sound very good. No noise, good separation,
> high quality. It's not MP3 technology, so
> bitrate doesn't tell the whole story.
>
> > What is the bitrate for the HD-1?
> >
> >
> >
> > > No HD-2 at this point. HD-2 (and 3 and 4)
> > > detract from the quality of the main channel.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What's SOJO-HD2 currently running?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
I don't have a way to record from my car radio
that I can think of.
> 96K can sound OK, but if you degrade from that,it sounds
> like crap. So why the rush for all these other stations to
> put -2 and -3 signals up on their signals? KInda defeats the
> purpose.
>
> I would love to hear a 44.1 wav file aircheck of about 5
> minutes, if you would put it up on yousend it.com (that is,
> if it is possible to record form this device.)
that I can think of.
> 96K can sound OK, but if you degrade from that,it sounds
> like crap. So why the rush for all these other stations to
> put -2 and -3 signals up on their signals? KInda defeats the
> purpose.
>
> I would love to hear a 44.1 wav file aircheck of about 5
> minutes, if you would put it up on yousend it.com (that is,
> if it is possible to record form this device.)
D
DStroyerNEPA
Guest
> 96K can sound OK, but if you degrade from that,it sounds
> like crap. So why the rush for all these other stations to
> put -2 and -3 signals up on their signals? KInda defeats the
> purpose.
I think "more channel choices" is what's going to sell HD Radio to the average listener, not sound quality. The store displays should say, "Now, instead 18-20 FM stations, you've got 55-60 FM stations... With no monthly subscription fee!"
The average listener probably won't even be able to hear the better sound quality.<P ID="signature">______________
D. Stroyer
Celebrating 10 years of idle radio message board speculation.</P>
> like crap. So why the rush for all these other stations to
> put -2 and -3 signals up on their signals? KInda defeats the
> purpose.
I think "more channel choices" is what's going to sell HD Radio to the average listener, not sound quality. The store displays should say, "Now, instead 18-20 FM stations, you've got 55-60 FM stations... With no monthly subscription fee!"
The average listener probably won't even be able to hear the better sound quality.<P ID="signature">______________
D. Stroyer
Celebrating 10 years of idle radio message board speculation.</P>
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westlife
Guest
Re: HD Radio Dead
> As I suspected. It's not quite fair to call it
> "High Distortion" when you haven't driven around
> listening to how good it actually sounds.
Jokes aren't supposed to be fair, especially when you take them literally.
> Don't let the specs fool you - it's better than
> normal FM in many ways. I'm not defending the
> content, but the technology isn't bad at all.
It's also worse than normal FM in many ways, such as when you're trying to listen to the NYC stations in Trenton. Thanks to IBOC, for the most part this is no longer possible. One of the few exceptions is 106.7 WLTW, because 106.9 WKDN isn't transmitting the digital hash (yet).
> I also agree that the receiver manufacturers
> are only going to give this so much time, like
> they did with AM Stereo.
If you compare the first few years of AM Stereo to the first few years of IBOC, AM Stereo was a blazing success in comparison to IBOC. In 1986, 30% of all new cars came with AM Stereo-capable radios. In 2006, the amount of new cars with IBOC-capable radios is so small that it isn't even measurable. In fact, the amount of new cars and trucks with AM Stereo-capable radios today still drastically outnumbers the amount of new vehicles with IBOC! If IBOC is being so badly beaten in the marketplace by a system which people like you declared "dead" 15 years ago, then what hope is there for it!?
<P ID="signature">______________
"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P>
> As I suspected. It's not quite fair to call it
> "High Distortion" when you haven't driven around
> listening to how good it actually sounds.
Jokes aren't supposed to be fair, especially when you take them literally.
> Don't let the specs fool you - it's better than
> normal FM in many ways. I'm not defending the
> content, but the technology isn't bad at all.
It's also worse than normal FM in many ways, such as when you're trying to listen to the NYC stations in Trenton. Thanks to IBOC, for the most part this is no longer possible. One of the few exceptions is 106.7 WLTW, because 106.9 WKDN isn't transmitting the digital hash (yet).
> I also agree that the receiver manufacturers
> are only going to give this so much time, like
> they did with AM Stereo.
If you compare the first few years of AM Stereo to the first few years of IBOC, AM Stereo was a blazing success in comparison to IBOC. In 1986, 30% of all new cars came with AM Stereo-capable radios. In 2006, the amount of new cars with IBOC-capable radios is so small that it isn't even measurable. In fact, the amount of new cars and trucks with AM Stereo-capable radios today still drastically outnumbers the amount of new vehicles with IBOC! If IBOC is being so badly beaten in the marketplace by a system which people like you declared "dead" 15 years ago, then what hope is there for it!?
<P ID="signature">______________
"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P>
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westlife
Guest
> I don't have a way to record from my car radio
> that I can think of.
Unless it is a factory-installed receiver (probably not, since the only car which currently offers a factory IBOC radio is the BMW 7-Series), then it should have line outputs (also known as "aux" or "preamp" outputs), ready to be connected to the recording device of your choice.
<P ID="signature">______________
"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P>
> that I can think of.
Unless it is a factory-installed receiver (probably not, since the only car which currently offers a factory IBOC radio is the BMW 7-Series), then it should have line outputs (also known as "aux" or "preamp" outputs), ready to be connected to the recording device of your choice.
<P ID="signature">______________
"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P>
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