HD Radio Sales reached "Low Hundred Thousands" in 2006

[Mike Walker]

"HD Radio receiver sales reached the "low hundred thousands" in 2006, a significant jump from 2005..."

From this article.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72514-0.html?tw=wn_technology_4

Remember the HD Radio "rollout" didn't begin until late 2006. 2004 and 2005 were years in which the infrastructure (installed base of stations) was being installed. Multicasting didn't even exist until 2005 (a result of NPR's "Tomorrow Radio" project)

 

[700WLW]

"HD Radio receiver sales reached the "low hundred thousands" in 2006, a significant jump from 2005..."

From this article.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72514-0.html?tw=wn_technology_4

Remember the HD Radio "rollout" didn't begin until late 2006. 2004 and 2005 were years in which the infrastructure (installed base of stations) was being installed. Multicasting didn't even exist until 2005 (a result of NPR's "Tomorrow Radio" project)

This thread is redundant - I already posted those figures, in my post, that originated this other thread:

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,60913.10.html

And, also posted a link to Mark Ramsey's article, in that other thread:

"How many HD radios have actually been sold?"

"This is a lot less than I expected and below all the projections I have seen to date... Because at some point, it will be too late. And if we reach that point, it will be those with their heads in the sand who are to blame."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/01/how_many_hd_rad.html#comments

According, to Google Trends, consumers became aware of HD Radio, two years ago, but interest has remained flat-lined:

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+...ast,+"internet+radio"&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

 

[Mike Walker]

You post the same crap over, and over, and over...leaving out anything positive. But when I post a positive point...that the sales of HD radios are in the hundreds of thousands, not "about 34 thousand" or whatever silly figure is posted here over and over,t hen I'm "redundant".

That's me. Redundant. And repetitive. And redundant. And...

 

[700WLW]

You post the same crap over, and over, and over...leaving out anything positive. But when I post a positive point...that the sales of HD radios are in the hundreds of thousands, not "about 34 thousand" or whatever silly figure is posted here over and over,t hen I'm "redundant".

That's me. Redundant. And repetitive. And redundant. And...

As I showed, I didn't leave anything out - you just conviently missed it, or maybe, trying to make me look deceptive:

"Will Digital Radio Boom in U.S.?"

"In the United Kingdom, more than 4.7 million digital radios have been sold since 1999... Part of the reason is political. While the U.K. government -- which controls much of the country's broadcasting industry -- was able to influence a national shift to digital, for-profit U.S. broadcasters were hesitant to embrace the unproven and expensive technology until satellite radio emerged as a competitive threat. (IBiquity estimates it costs $80,000 to $100,000 to upgrade a radio station to HD Radio.)... HD Radio receiver sales reached the "low hundred thousands" in 2006, a significant jump from 2005, but miniscule next to XM's and Sirius' more than 13.5 million satellite radio subscribers."

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72514-0.html?tw=wn_index_3

Let's try to be, as accurate as possible, but we would assume, these numbers are obviously inflated !

"How many HD radios have actually been sold?"

"This is a lot less than I expected and below all the projections I have seen to date... Because at some point, it will be too late. And if we reach that point, it will be those with their heads in the sand who are to blame."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/01/how_many_hd_rad.html#comments

I'm also trying to be fair, in reporting the still pitiful number of HD radios sold, which is obviously an inflated figure, which Wired got from iNiquity !

 

[Mike Walker]

Nope. I didn't miss it. My time (here, and in this life!) is limited. When I scan someone's post, and it's nothing but a series of links to other people's thoughts/articles, I usually just skip it. Life is short! If someone has something of substance TO SAY, then I'll read it. I'll read it if I disagree with them, if they're polite and respectful. Example: I've been a registered democrat my whole life, but one of my favorite columnists is George Will, because he's so damn smart. His ideas are so well reasoned, and presented in such a calm, civil manner, that it almost makes no difference that we disagree. I admire the way he thinks. He has actually changed my mind on several things.

A well reasoned argument is always welcomed by me, if it's presented in a civil, respectful tone. But countless links to other people's work is NOT the same as a well reasoned, respectful argument. I post my own opinions, and the experiences that helped me to arrive at them. For me to even consider the point-of-view of another, I expect as much.

Of course I don't read all of your posts. The ones I do read, I SCAN. Revelation: SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE! A person who has the time to read everything here either has no social life, or isn't gainfully employed!

When I reach a conclusion that something works well, or sounds good, I post the proof (such as a recording of results made on my equipment, demonstrating my point). Facts/figures/charts/graphs are fine. But real-world experience ALWAYS trumps them.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Assuming that neither figure is totally fiction. The difference between the two figures, "Low Hundred Thousands" in 2006, and 34,000, could be explained by deducting the returns, or erroneously counting HD radios at the factory, still in warehouses, in transit, and in stores. In the "pipeline".

 

[700WLW]

Nope. I didn't miss it. My time (here, and in this life!) is limited. When I scan someone's post, and it's nothing but a series of links to other people's thoughts/articles, I usually just skip it. Life is short! If someone has something of substance TO SAY, then I'll read it. I'll read it if I disagree with them, if they're polite and respectful. Example: I've been a registered democrat my whole life, but one of my favorite columnists is George Will, because he's so damn smart. His ideas are so well reasoned, and presented in such a calm, civil manner, that it almost makes no difference that we disagree. I admire the way he thinks. He has actually changed my mind on several things.

A well reasoned argument is always welcomed by me, if it's presented in a civil, respectful tone. But countless links to other people's work is NOT the same as a well reasoned, respectful argument. I post my own opinions, and the experiences that helped me to arrive at them. For me to even consider the point-of-view of another, I expect as much.

Of course I don't read all of your posts. The ones I do read, I SCAN. Revelation: SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE! A person who has the time to read everything here either has no social life, or isn't gainfully employed!

When I reach a conclusion that something works well, or sounds good, I post the proof (such as a recording of results made on my equipment, demonstrating my point). Facts/figures/charts/graphs are fine. But real-world experience ALWAYS trumps them.

Next time, try reading all the posts, before you imply someone of being deceitful - you are very good, at obfuscating
the initial issue, George !

 

[Mike Walker]

The day I read all of what any of the flat-earth, analog is better, a ten dollar radio is all you need, nobody cares about hd, hd has "already failed" crowd will be a sad day indeed. Holding your breath until then might well result in death.

Have something to say, and I'll read it. Post the same old bs ad-nauseum, and, well, you're talking to someone who cares...yourself.

 

[700WLW]

The day I read all of what any of the flat-earth, analog is better, a ten dollar radio is all you need, nobody cares about hd, hd has "already failed" crowd will be a sad day indeed. Holding your breath until then might well result in death.

Have something to say, and I'll read it. Post the same old bs ad-nauseum, and, well, you're talking to someone who cares...yourself.

What, are you blabbering about ? I'm, just shilln' my excellent Sony ICF-S10MK2, as others shill for HD Radio:

http://www.radiointel.com/review-sonys10mk2.htm

Gosh, some people spend $150, for a cheap plastic SW receiver, when they could have spent $65, for basically the same receiver:

http://www.radiointel.com/review-etone5.htm

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

"HD Radio receiver sales reached the "low hundred thousands" in 2006, a significant jump from 2005..."

From this article.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72514-0.html?tw=wn_technology_4

Remember the HD Radio "rollout" didn't begin until late 2006. 2004 and 2005 were years in which the infrastructure (installed base of stations) was being installed. Multicasting didn't even exist until 2005 (a result of NPR's "Tomorrow Radio" project)

...and while you're touting that figure, remember that the installed base of analog radios is (by every legitimate industry estimate) over 800 million just in the US, with more being made all the time alongside the HD radios. Sales numbers in the "low hundred thousands" don't even make a tiny dent in that 800 million figure. If the HD Alliance doesn't get off its keister NOW and do something about their horrifyingly bad marketing campaign, HD Radio will take decades to reach critical mass, if it doesn't get outrun by some other new tech in the meantime.

 

[vsa]

Mike Walker wrote: "Remember the HD Radio "rollout" didn't begin until late 2006."

The first automotive Kenwood HD radio was sold to a man in Iowa in 2004, THREE YEARS AGO this month!

"...the first aftermarket HD Radios are on store shelves. Kenwood shipped product to retailers in January; JVC and Panasonic planned to ship home and aftermarket units this spring...The first HD Radio purchased by a consumer sold in January to a 25-year-old in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Nathan Franzen bought a Kenwood KTC-HR100 HD Radio tuner from the Ultimate Electronics store. He had it installed in his 2001 Pontiac Grand Prix. Franzen then tuned to Iowa Corp. station KZIA(FM)..."

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/07_rw_CES_HD_1.shtml

 

[SUPERCASTER]

"HD Radio receiver sales reached the "low hundred thousands" in 2006, a significant jump from 2005..."

From this article.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72514-0.html?tw=wn_technology_4

Remember the HD Radio "rollout" didn't begin until late 2006. 2004 and 2005 were years in which the infrastructure (installed base of stations) was being installed. Multicasting didn't even exist until 2005 (a result of NPR's "Tomorrow Radio" project)

...and while you're touting that figure, remember that the installed base of analog radios is (by every legitimate industry estimate) over 800 million just in the US, with more being made all the time alongside the HD radios. Sales numbers in the "low hundred thousands" don't even make a tiny dent in that 800 million figure. If the HD Alliance doesn't get off its keister NOW and do something about their horrifyingly bad marketing campaign, HD Radio will take decades to reach critical mass, if it doesn't get outrun by some other new tech in the meantime.

iBiquity's Hd radio has already been outrun by FMeXtra, which is cheaper, simpler, has better range, uses the very same aac+ codec, same fidelity, adds no new adjacent channel air pollution, and already has FCC final approval. www.dreinc.com

 

[calstymes]

Mike Walker astutely observed:

You post the same crap over, and over, and over...leaving out anything positive. But when I post a positive point...that the sales of HD radios are in the hundreds of thousands, not "about 34 thousand" or whatever silly figure is posted here over and over,t hen I'm "redundant".

That's me. Redundant. And repetitive. And redundant. And...

You are relatively new here. All this guy does is post links to blogs, surveys and statistics that nobody cares about. You are the third person (by my count) who, over the past year has engaged him in a one-on-one battle about his pointless posts. If you stop directing comments specifically to him then when his audience decreases he tends to back off a bit (although he never goes away completely ).

Although he and I share the same general philosophy about HDradio I'll be the first to say that he gives our viewpoint a very bad name. Do yourself a favor and let him banter on and don't get your blood pressure up over what he says.

You'll be glad you did.

 

[700WLW]

Mike Walker wrote: "Remember the HD Radio "rollout" didn't begin until late 2006."

The first automotive Kenwood HD radio was sold to a man in Iowa in 2004, THREE YEARS AGO this month!

"...the first aftermarket HD Radios are on store shelves. Kenwood shipped product to retailers in January; JVC and Panasonic planned to ship home and aftermarket units this spring...The first HD Radio purchased by a consumer sold in January to a 25-year-old in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. Nathan Franzen bought a Kenwood KTC-HR100 HD Radio tuner from the Ultimate Electronics store. He had it installed in his 2001 Pontiac Grand Prix. Franzen then tuned to Iowa Corp. station KZIA(FM)..."

http://www.rwonline.com/reference-room/iboc/07_rw_CES_HD_1.shtml

And, Google Trends confirms that consumers became aware of HD Radio starting 2004, and the apathy continues:

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+xm,+sirius,+podcast,+"internet+radio"

 

[Mike Walker]

Thanks for the laugh of the day, Cal! He answers you by posting a link! Priceless! A belly laugh is a wonderful way to start the day!

 

[calstymes]

Mike Walker appreciated:

Thanks for the laugh of the day, Cal! He answers you by posting a link! Priceless! A belly laugh is a wonderful way to start the day!

See what I mean? He just doesn't get it. Thank goodness several of us still have a sensayuma. If we didn't laugh, we'd have to cry.

 

[700WLW]

Mike Walker appreciated:

Thanks for the laugh of the day, Cal! He answers you by posting a link! Priceless! A belly laugh is a wonderful way to start the day!

See what I mean? He just doesn't get it. Thank goodness several of us still have a sensayuma. If we didn't laugh, we'd have to cry.

"What kind of digital radio are listeners searching for?"

"What a cool analysis Google now provides via Google Trends. It's what folks are searching for - and we can assume that search is a representation of interest."

http://www.hear2.com/2006/10/what_kind_of_di.html

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+sirius,+podcast,+ipod,+mp3

HD Radio - just a smudge on the screen !

 

[dbdigital]

Mike Walker appreciated:

Thanks for the laugh of the day, Cal! He answers you by posting a link! Priceless! A belly laugh is a wonderful way to start the day!

See what I mean? He just doesn't get it. Thank goodness several of us still have a sensayuma. If we didn't laugh, we'd have to cry.

"What kind of digital radio are listeners searching for?"

"What a cool analysis Google now provides via Google Trends. It's what folks are searching for - and we can assume that search is a representation of interest."

http://www.hear2.com/2006/10/what_kind_of_di.html

http://www.google.com/trends?q="hd+radio",+sirius,+podcast,+ipod,+mp3

HD Radio - just a smudge on the screen !

And another HD Radio killer hits the streets. The Noxon (I know, sounds like Nixon but don't let the name put you off) iRadio from Britain. Cost is about $200.00.

http://entertainuk.terratec.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=246

db

 

[Mike Walker]

Anything that plugs into a wall and must be "integrated into your existing network" is no threat to radio, which is wireless, and goes everywhere.

My 72 year old mom has plenty of radios. And not a "network" in sight!

It's just another way to listen to internet radio. Less versatile than the one I already carry in my pocket, however...a Dell Axim X51v. It not only "integrates into my home network" and plays any internet radio station, it also plays video at dvd resolution and 30 frames per second, has a 3d graphics accelerator for gaming, can open and edit any Microsoft Office document, can send and receive e-mail, and can STREAM podcasts (using Hubdog)...you don't even need to download 'em first. Why, I can even listen to internet radio while I play Scrabble. Can your "HD Killer" do that? Like the song says, "everything old is new again".

But does it keep me from listening to HD? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!

Hell I read lots of books. For fun it's mostly mystery novels (can't wait for the new John Sandford "Prey" novel coming out this spring!). I suppose those are "HD killers" too!

 

[700WLW]

There was a segment on CBS Nightly News tonight, and it showed a Ford Focus, with integrated Sync - the Sync has voice-recognition, which would help, with any type of distracted-driver legislation ! It's happening, pro-IBOC'ers !